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October 7, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – October 7th, 2026

During the October 7, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that to attract an evolving, experiential demographic, campground operators must hyper-focus on specific niches, adapt to the rise of smaller, rugged RVs, and forge strong cross-sector collaborations.
September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
September 23, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 23rd, 2026

During the September 23, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that campground operators should embrace artificial intelligence to automate backend data and marketing workflows, ultimately saving time and boosting revenue while keeping the technology invisible to preserve genuine, human-to-human hospitality.
September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
September 2, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 2nd, 2026

During the September 2, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts explored the rapid evolution of AI-integrated property management systems and evolving consumer behaviors, emphasizing a market shift toward simpler recreational vehicles and the importance of targeting guests by specific life stages rather than broad generational labels.
August 26, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 26th, 2026

During the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts agreed that while the rapid evolution of artificial intelligence and its use in marketing continues to spark debates over authenticity, its greatest value in outdoor hospitality lies in automating backend operations so staff can focus on delivering exceptional, human-to-human guest experiences.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
June 11, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – June 11th, 2025

On the June 11th, 2025, episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks and Modern Campground led a vibrant discussion with a panel of industry experts on the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The conversation delved into crucial topics ranging from the practicalities of developing off-grid glamping sites to the profound importance of curating a transformative guest experience. The episode brought together recurring panelists and special guests, each offering unique perspectives from their respective corners of the industry, creating a comprehensive overview of current trends, challenges, and opportunities. The show welcomed back its knowledgeable recurring guests, who consistently provide valuable insights. Scott Foos, representing Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, a third-party management and consulting firm, offered his analysis on market trends and operational strategies. Zach Stoltenberg of LJA, a multidisciplinary design firm, shared his expertise on the planning and design of outdoor resorts. Joe Duemig, the owner of App My Community, brought his perspective on technology and guest communication within campgrounds and resorts. Joining the panel were two special guests, both operators of distinctive Canadian glamping properties. Elizabeth McIntosh, the co-founder of Back Forty Glamping in Ontario, provided a look into the world of creating a luxury, four-season dome resort from the ground up. Also featured was Sarah Cruse, the General Manager of the remote and exclusive Clayoquot Wilderness Lodge on Vancouver Island, who shared her passion for creating deeply restorative and nature-based experiences for guests. The conversation kicked off with Zach Stoltenberg identifying a significant industry trend: the increasing client demand for off-grid and remote resort sites. He explained this push is driven by both the economic desire to avoid costly infrastructure development and the experiential appeal of secluded locations. Zach highlighted innovative solutions like those from Electric Outdoors, a company producing self-contained units with their own power and water systems, which could revolutionize how operators utilize undeveloped land and create unique, low-impact accommodations. Responding to the off-grid theme, Sarah Cruse detailed the operations of Clayoquot Wilderness Lodge, a property that has successfully operated off-grid for 25 years. She explained how the resort, accessible only by floatplane or boat, is a self-contained village that recently invested in British Columbia’s largest solar panel installation to harness the power of nature. Sarah’s story underscored the immense appeal and viability of such ventures but also served as a caution, noting that the “wild west” era of development has passed and that securing permits for such a project today would be incredibly challenging. Elizabeth McIntosh of Back Forty Glamping echoed the sentiment regarding regulatory hurdles, sharing her own complex journey with permitting in Ontario. She explained how the process of trying to fit their unique dome structures into existing, conventional building codes ultimately shaped their business model, forcing them to pivot to a higher-end, luxury offering to justify the extensive investment in infrastructure like a massive septic system. Her experience illustrated a common struggle for innovators in the glamping space and highlighted how external constraints can define a brand’s niche. A significant portion of the discussion was dedicated to the art and importance of the guest experience, a topic Sarah Cruse spoke about with palpable passion. She described her role as stewarding a “heart property” where the goal is to facilitate a “transformational state” in guests by disconnecting them from devices and reconnecting them with nature and each other. She emphasized that true hospitality is “heart-forward,” starting with a happy, engaged staff who genuinely care, which in turn creates an authentic and emotionally resonant experience for the guest. Scott Foos provided a broader market context to the importance of guest experience, sharing observations from a recent tour of over 50 properties across four states. He noted a softening in transient demand and a subsequent pivot by many operators toward chasing extended-stay business. His key finding was that properties demonstrating “intentionality”—those with thoughtful theming, clean aesthetics, visible staff, and a focus on creating a special atmosphere—were significantly outperforming their more generic neighbors, even those located right next door. Offering an international perspective, Joe Duemig recounted his recent trip to Australia for caravan industry shows. He observed a different business landscape, with a prevalence of marketing groups that parks belong to, as opposed to the more common franchise models in North America. He noted differences in pricing and amenity focus, providing a valuable comparison of how the industry operates in another part of the world and highlighting the global nature of outdoor travel. In his final thoughts, Scott Foos shared critical data on the American traveler, noting that while the desire for travel remains high, budget constraints are significant, with the average family having around $5,500 for the entire year. He argued that this economic reality uniquely positions the outdoor hospitality industry to provide value. However, he stressed that now is the time to double down on providing exceptional experiences to retain the core camping audience and continually remind them of the unique value and joy that camping provides. Ultimately, the episode underscored that success in the modern outdoor hospitality industry is a holistic endeavor. It requires navigating practical challenges like permitting and infrastructure, embracing innovation in accommodations, and, most importantly, cultivating an authentic and emotionally intelligent guest experience. The insights from Brian Searl, Scott Foos, Zach Stoltenberg, Joe Duemig, Elizabeth McIntosh, and Sarah Cruse painted a clear picture of an industry where those who focus on the details and lead with heart are best positioned to thrive.
June 4, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – June 4th, 2025

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats on June 4, 2025, host Brian Searl welcomed guests including recurring contributors Rafael Correa, President and CFO of Blue Water; Simon Neal, founder of Camp Map; and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. A special guest for the session was Jayne Cohen, founder and CEO of Campground Consulting Group and its sister company, Glamping Consulting Group, who—despite Brian’s playful jest about her youth—celebrated her 50th year in the industry. The discussion immediately turned to pressing industry concerns when Rafael Correa highlighted a recent Baltimore Sun report about Raystown Lake in Pennsylvania. Camping at this large Army Corps-run recreational lake was reportedly shut down due to staffing cuts linked to “Doge inefficiency efforts.” This closure significantly impacted local businesses, with some experiencing a 40-50% downturn over Memorial Day weekend, underscoring the ripple effects of such decisions on local economies and the potential risks to state and national park accessibility. Scott Bahr elaborated on this, noting an “enthusiasm gap” among potential guests stemming from a “dark cloud” over national parks, citing news of over 5,000 anticipated staff layoffs. He differentiated this concern from purely economic anxieties, explaining that while people understand macroeconomic pressures, they are more deterred by factors that diminish the on-the-ground experience. The perception that staff cuts will lead to a lesser experience weighs more heavily on travel decisions than economic factors alone, creating a cumulative negative effect. The conversation then explored whether park closures and staff shortages or broader economic concerns were more heavily influencing camper behavior. Rafael shared a contrasting experience from Blue Water’s home base in Ocean City, Maryland. Despite initial concerns about federal government layoffs and return-to-office mandates affecting their key feeder markets (DC, Northern Virginia, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh), their properties were experiencing significant growth. He attributed this to the affordability of outdoor hospitality and Ocean City’s appeal as a blue-collar, drive-to beach destination, suggesting that economic uncertainty might be playing to their strengths. Scott Bahr concurred, emphasizing the advantage of drive-to destinations, as people are likely opting for shorter, less uncertain trips. Jayne Cohen, drawing on her extensive industry experience, supported these observations. She noted that during economic uncertainty, travelers prioritize accessible, easily cancellable, and affordable options, bringing back the “150-mile sweet spot” for travel distances, reminiscent of 2019 trends. She asserted that camping remains an affordable vacation choice, often driven more by desired location and activities than by price alone. Campers, she argued, can tailor their trips to their budgets, perhaps by forgoing restaurant meals if campsite fees are higher in a preferred area. The discussion then shifted to the crucial concept of value proposition in camping. Rafael emphasized that it’s not just about affordability but the overall value, including amenities like water parks and organized activities not typically found at budget hotels. Jayne Cohen added that, in her experience, the most expensive sites, like waterfront ones, often book up first precisely because of their perceived value, offering experiences that would be significantly more costly in other accommodation types. Brian Searl underscored the necessity for campgrounds, especially independent ones, to effectively communicate this value through their marketing efforts. Exploring how to communicate this value, Rafael stressed the importance of visual storytelling – high-quality lifestyle photos and videos that allow potential guests to imagine themselves at the property. He also advocated for leveraging micro-influencers and the authenticity of Facebook Lives to connect with audiences. Simon Neal explained how Camp Map contributes by providing accurate, realistic digital maps that reduce uncertainty and build excitement, allowing guests to explore site-specific photos and amenities before booking. Jayne Cohen reiterated the power of professional photography and the need for websites to evoke an emotional connection and stand out from competitors by offering a unique, experiential feel rather than a generic listing of facilities. A practical discussion arose about how independent owners, often short on time and resources, can implement these marketing strategies. Rafael suggested tapping into the inherent talents of existing staff, particularly younger employees who are often social media savvy. Jayne Cohen agreed, emphasizing that owners deeply involved in daily operations rarely have the time for dedicated marketing, making it essential to delegate these tasks, even if not on a full-time basis. Scott Bahr provided data backing this, stating that for about three-quarters of campers, pictures are the most important consideration when choosing a destination. Simon Neal then shared fascinating observations from his recent travels in the US, comparing American campgrounds to their European counterparts. He found similarities in the arrival/check-in experience, site hookup quality, and general landscaping. However, significant differences emerged: US campgrounds are overwhelmingly RV-focused (around 90% RV sites vs. a 50/50 RV/tent split in Europe), leading to different amenity needs like fewer, less elaborate bathhouses. A key distinction he noted was in cabin design. European cabins, he observed, tend to make more efficient use of space and higher quality materials, whereas US cabins often have wasted space and lack thoughtful details like adequate storage. Rafael acknowledged this, noting that Blue Water’s sister company, Great Outdoor Cottages, is part of an evolution towards more efficient European-style cabin design in the US, moving away from simply replicating home comforts to optimizing the smaller footprint. The conversation pivoted to the overarching importance of hospitality and the human touch. Jayne Cohen expressed concern that the rise of online check-ins and automated gates, while efficient, could diminish personal interaction. She stressed the critical need for staff and managers to be present on the grounds, welcoming guests and fostering relationships. Brian Searl concurred, noting how even a simple handwritten note from a hotel manager can be impactful. Rafael framed it as an opportunity: technology that reduces check-in friction frees up staff time for more value-added, personal interactions. Scott Bahr provided compelling data: KOA surveys revealed that a memorable interaction with a manager or owner could increase a guest’s Net Promoter Score (NPS) by at least 15 points, highlighting this as a key driver of loyalty and return visits. Rafael further elaborated that the deep relationship between a long-term owner and their guests is a significant factor—and a potential risk—when acquiring a campground, as it’s nearly impossible to replicate that personal bond at scale, though Blue Water strives for this through exceptional General Managers. Jayne Cohen added that positive personal interactions make guests more forgiving of minor issues and more open to providing constructive feedback. Rafael concluded this segment by saying that effectively addressing problems when they arise is a prime opportunity to build trust and gain a customer for life. Simon Neal noted that while his check-in experiences in the US were positive, he hadn’t observed the same level of GM visibility in European campgrounds, suggesting a potential area for differentiation. As the session concluded, each guest offered final thoughts. Jayne Cohen thanked Brian for the invitation and the enjoyable experience. Simon Neal expressed positivity about the industry’s current state. Rafael Correa described his outlook for the season as “cautiously optimistic,” eager to establish a new baseline and highlighting the preparedness of the Blue Water team. Scott Bahr announced upcoming research on camper attitudes and behaviors, to be released via KOA. Brian Searl wrapped up by thanking the guests and previewing his next “Outwired” show, which would discuss the future of PMS software, marketplaces, and the impact of AI on bookings and content authenticity.
May 28, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – May 28th, 2025

On May 28th, 2025, another insightful episode of MC Fireside Chats unfolded, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks and Modern Campground. This particular session was dedicated to the RV industry and outdoor recreation, bringing together a panel of recurring experts and special guests to dissect current trends, share operational experiences, and forecast future developments. Brian warmly welcomed the audience and introduced the day’s lineup, setting the stage for a comprehensive discussion that spanned from high-level industry statistics to on-the-ground business strategies. The episode featured its regular contributors from the RV Dealers Association (RVDA): Eleonore Hamm, President of RVDA of Canada, and Phil Ingrassia, President of RVDA of the US. Eleonore outlined her association’s focus on education, advocacy, and ensuring the profitability and sustainability of Canadian RV dealers. Phil echoed these sentiments, highlighting the US RVDA’s mission to support dealers and collaborate with manufacturers and suppliers on initiatives like the Go RVing program, which promotes the RV lifestyle in their respective countries. Their presence provided a crucial overview of the North American RV market landscape. Joining the seasoned regulars were two special guests making significant waves in their local outdoor hospitality sectors. Ilia Smirnov, owner of Cape Fear River Adventures and the Cozy Heron Glamping Resort, was introduced first. Located near Raleigh, North Carolina, Ilia’s businesses offer a unique blend of river-based activities and distinctive glamping accommodations. Following Ilia, Lisa Green, the General Manager of the Decatur Wheeler Lake KOA Campground in Alabama, shared her experiences. Lisa described her campground as an activity-driven destination, emphasizing her journey into the industry and the strategies she has employed. The discussion kicked off with an industry update from Phil Ingrassia and Eleonore Hamm. Phil shared that April’s wholesale RV shipments in the US saw a pleasant 4% increase compared to the previous year, though he noted that retail sales for April were not yet available and had been lagging slightly, with March retail sales down about 14% year-over-year, indicating an inventory build-up as dealers prepared for the season. He acknowledged that consumer sentiment, influenced by job prospects, the stock market, savings, and gas prices, plays a significant role in RV sales, predicting that the year would likely end up similar to the last. Eleonore Hamm provided the Canadian perspective, noting a similar trend where wholesale shipments outpaced retail sales. She explained that Canadian dealers had been rapidly building inventory due to concerns about tariffs and counter-tariffs, particularly the 25% counter-tariff on US-manufactured motorhomes that came into effect on April 9th, though towables were fortunately excluded. This uncertainty led to a cautious approach from dealers, with new unit sales down about 10% year-over-year by the end of March. Eleonore elaborated on the complexities of these tariffs, linked to HS codes where motorhomes are classified under automotive, and mentioned ongoing advocacy efforts to government to remove motorhomes from this tariff. Both Phil and Eleonore agreed that the late spring and early summer period is crucial for sales volume. Shifting to consumer behavior, Brian Searl inquired about RV ownership and usage. Phil Ingrassia revealed that data on RVs in operation, a proprietary number, has been growing consistently, even through the pandemic and beyond. He estimated that the number of RVs in operation has increased from around 3.5 million in 2010 to over 6.5 million currently. This indicates that people are holding onto their RVs and renewing registrations. He also mentioned that Go RVing research shows many pandemic buyers have developed a fondness for RV travel and intend to continue, debunking some fears of a mass exodus from the lifestyle. Approximately 1.5 million RVs were sold in North America during the pandemic peak, a significant boost to the installed base. The conversation then turned to Ilia Smirnov, who detailed his entrepreneurial journey. Cape Fear River Adventures, his flagship company, has been operating for 14 years, primarily offering self-guided canoe, kayak, paddleboard rentals, and lazy river tubing on the flat portions of the Cape Fear River. He humorously recounted finding the initial business for sale on Craigslist in 2012. The success of the river adventures paved the way for the Cozy Heron Glamping Resort, now in its third year. Ilia explained that his interest in creating a multi-day destination and the challenge of building on a floodplain led him to discover Conestoga wagons at a trade show, which became the unique lodging solution for his resort, offering a “bridge experience” for those new to the outdoors with comforts like AC and king-size beds. Lisa Green then shared her experiences since becoming the General Manager of the Decatur Wheeler Lake KOA in July of the previous year, a challenging start given her background was in food and beverage, not campground management. She identified that a primary hurdle was rebuilding relationships with staff and the community due to a lack of consistent, customer-service-oriented leadership prior to her arrival. Lisa emphasized the importance of community support and generating auxiliary income. She significantly increased local engagement, noting that previously only 2% of visitors were local, a number she has drastically improved. A key initiative was planning a large music festival featuring only local bands and vendors, which successfully sold out the entire campground well in advance and provided crucial off-season income. The discussion broadened to the importance of marketing and activities in attracting and retaining guests. Eleonore Hamm admitted that it wouldn’t typically occur to her to visit a campground for activities if she wasn’t camping there, highlighting a potential marketing gap. Lisa Green stressed that campgrounds need to offer more activities to engage the 12 to 18-year-old demographic, ensuring they develop positive camping memories that could lead them to become future RV buyers and enthusiasts. Phil Ingrassia concurred, noting that industry research consistently shows individuals who camped as children are significantly more predisposed to engage in RVing later in life, underscoring the value of investing in youth-focused programs and creating “sticky” outdoor experiences. As the episode drew to a close, the guests offered their final thoughts. Lisa Green encouraged everyone to “enjoy a day outdoors, you’ll remember it.” Ilia Smirnov expressed his continued commitment to finding new ways to get people outside and shared that his businesses can be found online at capefearadventures.com. Eleonore Hamm and Phil Ingrassia thanked Brian for the opportunity to hear from campground operators, finding the insights complementary to their perspectives from the RV dealer side. Brian Searl concluded the show, thanking all his guests for the rich conversation and promoting an upcoming podcast, “Outwired,” where he would delve deeper into data trends and consumer niches in the outdoor hospitality sector with Scott Bahr.
May 21, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – May 21st, 2025

The May 21st, 2025 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, convened a panel of esteemed recurring and special guests to delve into pivotal topics within the outdoor hospitality and recreation industry. The familiar voices joining the conversation included Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality, a company focused on owning and operating luxury upscale RV and glamping resorts, as well as providing third-party consulting. Ali Rasmussen, co-founder of Spacious Skies Campgrounds, which owns and operates campgrounds along the East Coast from Maine to Georgia, also returned, expressing enthusiasm for the upcoming season. Rounding out the recurring panel was Jeff Hoffman from Camp Strategy, a consulting firm dedicated to helping campground owners achieve profitability. This episode welcomed two special guests. Heidi Doyle from Utility Supply Group (USG) introduced her company as a key electrical distributor for the outdoor hospitality sector, serving RV parks, campgrounds, marinas, and glamping resorts. Heidi emphasized USG’s commitment to not just supplying products but also ensuring safety and compliance by actively working with the National Electric Code and UL standards for power outlets. The second special guest was Jim Omstrom, co-founder of Open Road Resorts. Jim shared that Open Road Resorts owns a growing portfolio of campgrounds across the United States, including locations near Dallas, Santa Fe, West Yellowstone, and Omaha, with a focus on acquiring and developing more properties. Before diving into the special guest segments, Brian prompted the recurring panelists for any pressing industry topics. Mike Harrison immediately highlighted the continued and accelerating growth of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the camping sector. He referenced a recent generational camping report indicating that 30% of campers have already used AI for search, a figure expected to rise to 75% in the coming years. Mike stressed the importance for industry players to stay ahead of the curve as generative search and Google’s prioritization of AI are set to revolutionize how campers find and book their stays. Jeff Hoffman echoed Mike’s sentiments, noting the rapid learning capabilities of AI and its daily improvements, particularly when actively trained. Ali Rasmussen added her experience, mentioning a demo she encountered built within ChatGPT that functioned as an itinerary and trip planner for one of their campground locations, showcasing the practical applications of AI for enhancing guest services. Beyond AI, Ali Rasmussen, also a board member of OHI (Outdoor Hospitality Industry), brought a critical legislative issue to the forefront: the Credit Card Competition Act. She explained that this bipartisan bill aims to address the duopoly of Visa and MasterCard, which has led to escalating credit card swipe fees – a significant expense for campground owners, often ranking in their top five operational costs. Ali detailed the unique impact on campgrounds, where multiple transactions (booking, changes, cancellations, re-bookings) can incur non-refundable swipe fees, even when guests are refunded. Mike Harrison and Jeff Hoffman shared that they had previously lobbied in Washington D.C. on this very issue, underscoring its importance. They urged listeners to visit OHI’s social media pages for links to contact their representatives and voice their support for the act, emphasizing that it affects all businesses accepting credit cards, not just RV parks. Heidi Doyle mentioned that for Utility Supply Group’s larger transactions, credit card fees are often passed on to the customer, while smaller orders’ fees are absorbed. Brian acknowledged the pervasiveness of these fees, even with third-party payment systems. The conversation then shifted to a deeper dive with the special guests. Heidi Doyle elaborated on Utility Supply Group’s long-standing presence in the industry, noting their 26-year history initiated by Wade Elliot. She explained USG’s unique approach of primarily connecting with customers through trade shows and conferences rather than traditional advertising, valuing their loyal customer base. A core philosophy for USG, instilled by Wade, is to be a resource and ensure customers get the right products, especially for those new to the industry or specific electrical components. Heidi highlighted their expertise in the National Electric Code and NFPA 1194, positioning USG as more than just a seller. Key products offered include pedestals, surface mount boxes, distribution panels, transformers, wire, site amenities like lighting, and increasingly, solutions for EV charging. She also discussed the growing importance of electrical metering (sub-metering) to help campgrounds recoup utility expenses and encourage conservation, differentiating between “dumb” meters requiring manual reads and “smart” meters that integrate with reservation systems. Jeff Hoffman inquired about the potential for USG to develop water metering solutions, to which Heidi responded that while they offer basic water meters, USG currently focuses on electrical distribution and is not primarily a software developer, though they are aware of companies like Wild Energy exploring integrated solutions. Next, Jim Omstrom shared the origin story of Open Road Resorts, which began as a “midlife crisis” entrepreneurial venture with his business partner, Chase, around 2018. Leveraging their backgrounds in public equity investment and a shared passion for the outdoors, they acquired their first park in Dallas. After a pause and operational refinement during the COVID-19 pandemic, Open Road Resorts partnered with consumer private equity fund L Catterton, RV manufacturer THOR Industries (owner of Airstream and Jayco), and two other family offices to fuel their growth. Jim articulated that the brand “Open Road Resorts” aims to address the inconsistent experiences often encountered in the RV park industry. While each park retains its unique local feel, the goal is to provide a consistently clean, safe, highly amenitized, and family-friendly environment with excellent customer service. When Brian asked about the 10-year vision, Jim stated the focus is on continued brand building, team expansion, and acquiring great parks to build a national network. Discussing operational approaches, Jim explained their model of having a General Manager at each park who reports to a central operations team. This sparked a broader discussion among the multi-park operators. Ali Rasmussen shared Spacious Skies Campgrounds’ journey, from initially attempting a model where regional managers also managed a home campground, to their current structure of three regional directors overseeing GMs and reporting directly to her. They’ve intentionally trimmed layers to maintain control and efficiency. Jeff Hoffman emphasized the importance of building a solid foundational structure for scalability, noting that while technology like cloud-based PMS and accounting systems has made remote management easier, finding the right people remains the biggest challenge. Mike Harrison added that there’s no one-size-fits-all operational model, and what works depends on the specific properties, revenue, and stage of growth, sharing that CRR Hospitality also pivots its structure based on circumstances. Ali Rasmussen then queried Jim Omstrom about the unique partnership with THOR Industries. Jim explained their pre-existing relationship with THOR’s management team from their public equity days. When Open Road Resorts decided to accelerate growth, they approached THOR, who saw an opportunity to strategically partner and help shape the campground experience, potentially testing new concepts. As an example, Jim mentioned an “Airstream-only” section, or “camp Airstream,” being piloted at their West Yellowstone park. This led to a discussion about the RVIA Campground Coalition’s efforts to foster communication between manufacturers and campground owners, particularly concerning the increasing size and electrical demands of new RVs, and how campgrounds, especially older ones, can keep pace with infrastructure needs. Heidi Doyle noted that, as of 2022, THOR had no immediate plans for 100-amp RVs, which would require new electrical pedestal designs. The final major topic was the significant advancements in AI search, spurred by recent Google I/O announcements. Brian presented a short video showcasing Google’s new “AI Mode,” a complete re-imagining of search that moves beyond the traditional 10 blue links to a personalized, generative AI-driven experience. This mode will allow for longer, more complex queries and even enable “agents” like Project Mariner to perform tasks on the user’s behalf, including making purchases. Brian stressed that this will dramatically impact how campgrounds are discovered and booked, affecting website traffic (likely decreasing overall traffic but increasing conversion rates of qualified leads) and user interaction. Heidi Doyle asked about the implications for keywords and search strategies. Brian explained that the shift is towards longer, conversational queries, and that AI itself will increasingly interpret and refine user intent, making traditional keyword targeting less relevant. The focus, he advised, should be on high-quality content, user experience, site architecture (like schema markup), and brand trust signals (like press releases and social mentions). Jim Omstrom inquired if anyone was exploring “AI SEO,” to which Mike Harrison and Brian confirmed they were actively working on these strategies, emphasizing that a blend of traditional SEO and new AI-focused approaches is currently necessary. The discussion highlighted the personalized nature of AI search results, with different users receiving different recommendations based on their implicit and explicit preferences, making foundational website best practices even more critical. As the episode concluded, each guest provided their final thoughts and where listeners could learn more about their respective organizations. Heidi Doyle directed listeners to Utility Supply Group’s presence in Woodall’s and their social media. Ali Rasmussen pointed to spaciousskiescampgrounds.com and their social channels, mentioning their current exciting phase of seeking new partners. Jeff Hoffman invited inquiries through campstrategy.com. Jim Omstrom encouraged visits to openroadresorts.com for information on their parks. Brian Searl wrapped up the show, thanking his guests and promoting his other podcast, Outwired, which would further delve into AI announcements and RV park guest demographics.
May 14, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – May 14th, 2025

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks kicked off the conversation by lightheartedly addressing his scratchy voice and acknowledging the absence of several regular panelists, including Joe Duemig, who was attending a conference in Australia, Scott Foos, who had a meeting, and Kevin Thueson, who was traveling. Despite these absences, Searl enthusiastically introduced the two featured guests: John Handy, co-owner of Treebones Resort, and Devon Towle, Founder and CEO of Global Glamping, also known as Sir Glamps-a-lot. John Handy shared the 20-year journey of establishing Treebones Resort in Big Sur with his wife Corinne. He recounted the serendipitous rezoning of their oceanfront property to commercial use and their subsequent decade-long exploration of creating a unique lodging experience. Handy explained that the concept of “glamping” didn’t even exist when they began, but their vision was to offer an experience that combined the closeness to nature of camping with the comforts of a hotel, leading them to discover yurts. He highlighted the significant financial risks they undertook with business and construction loans, contrasting their approach with the revenue-sharing models discussed later. Handy emphasized that the success of Treebones lies in its unique location, the dedicated on-site staff, and the array of amenities, including fine dining with a sushi bar and lodge restaurant, massage, yoga, a pool, spa, and jacuzzi, all while maintaining a low carbon footprint. Devon Towle, or Sir Glamps-a-lot, detailed his entrepreneurial journey, starting from a background in architecture and housing consultation to founding Global Glamping. He shared how his initial foray into glamping began with a single yurt on raw land in Montana, which surprisingly led to recognition as one of the best Hipcamps in the state. This experience highlighted the potential of the industry and the need for guidance, prompting him to establish Global Glamping. Towle proudly mentioned the company’s growth to 15 resorts with over a hundred short-term rentals and their specialization in eco-tourism development. He was particularly excited to be calling in from their Guardian Ranch location in San Diego, showcasing 3D-printed tiny houses from Azure Printed Homes, emphasizing the rapid construction and eco-friendly nature of these units made from recycled materials. The conversation then shifted to the topic of bootstrapping versus seeking investment capital. Towle shared his experience of creatively financing his ventures, including a “Glamping Rev Share” model that allowed him to partner with landowners and structure providers. He emphasized that the barrier to entry in glamping can be significantly lower than traditional real estate investments, allowing entrepreneurs to start with modest means and grow creatively. Searl resonated with this, sharing his own experiences of building his business without significant initial investment and highlighting the flexibility and potential rewards of a bootstrapped approach. Both Handy and Towle agreed on the importance of agility and the ability to pivot in business. Handy used a compelling ship analogy, stating that a ship in a harbor is safe but not fulfilling its purpose, and that forward motion is necessary for steering. He shared examples of unforeseen challenges like road closures and economic shifts that require constant adaptation. Towle echoed this, emphasizing that nothing ever goes exactly to plan and that perseverance and the willingness to pivot are crucial for entrepreneurs in the often unpredictable world of eco-tourism and glamping. The discussion touched upon the role of technology in their businesses. Handy highlighted how Starlink internet and advancements in battery storage systems have been game-changers for Treebones, especially given their off-grid location. He also spoke about their adoption of Azure 3D-printed homes as an eco-conscious lodging option. Towle also emphasized the speed to market and cost-effectiveness of the 3D-printed homes. Both expressed excitement about future technological advancements, including the potential of AI in design and 3D printing. Searl raised the topic of disconnecting in a hyper-connected world, sharing his own recent experience of the benefits of unplugging. Handy recounted a story about the Wall Street Journal inquiring about their “prepare to unplug” message from their early days, noting the initial resistance from some guests but also the eventual appreciation for the opportunity to disconnect. He mentioned that while technology has advanced at Treebones, they still maintain areas where guests can intentionally unplug. Looking towards the future, Handy expressed that Treebones Resort would remain family-owned and operated, with the next generation taking on leadership roles. He emphasized their commitment to maintaining the essence of Treebones – perching lightly on the land, living simply, and connecting with nature – even as they evolve. Towle shared his vision for Global Glamping, aiming to create affordable, eco-friendly living communities and develop a gamified app to enhance the ecotourism experience. He expressed a long-term goal of securing larger-scale funding to expand these communities for midterm and long-term living, promoting a lifestyle connected to nature and entrepreneurship. In closing, Searl expressed his admiration for the work of both Handy and Towle, predicting a bright future for their ventures and the eco-tourism industry as a whole. He underscored the power of inspiring others through their innovative approaches to hospitality and sustainable living.
May 7, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – May 7th, 2025

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl led a comprehensive discussion on the evolving landscape of the outdoor hospitality and recreation industry. The episode featured recurring guests, industry experts who appear regularly on the show, and special guests who brought specific insights to the conversation. Recurring guests Scott Bahr, Simon Neal, and Mark Koep offered their perspectives on current trends and challenges. Mark Koep, in particular, focused on the growing influence of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and its implications for marketing strategies within the industry. He argued that traditional methods, such as relying heavily on Google search, may become less effective as AI-driven search results gain prominence. Brian Searl expanded on this point, noting the increasing sophistication of AI and its capacity to generate synthetic data, which could further disrupt established online business models. The guests emphasized the importance of campground owners and operators staying informed about AI and adapting their strategies to remain competitive. The discussion then shifted to the physical aspects of campgrounds, with Scott Bahr raising questions about the trend towards developing very large RV parks. He expressed concern about their long-term sustainability and whether they might become obsolete like shopping malls. This sparked a broader conversation about the ideal size and design of campgrounds, with panelists weighing the benefits of large-scale operations against the appeal of more intimate, niche-focused experiences. Mary Arlington, a special guest with extensive experience in the campground industry, shared her insights on this topic. She acknowledged the existence of very large parks but emphasized that many successful campgrounds focus on creating a strong sense of community and catering to specific customer needs. Another special guest, Brian Linton, contributed to the discussion by providing a perspective from the glamping sector. He explained that glamping sites, which often involve more luxurious accommodations than traditional camping, can be economically viable even with a smaller number of sites. Linton also highlighted the importance of storytelling and creating engaging content to attract guests. Simon Neal, a recurring guest from Europe, offered a different viewpoint, describing the European campground market and its unique characteristics. He noted the prevalence of seasonal travel and the trend towards investing in high-quality amenities to enhance the guest experience. Neal also discussed the concept of organizing campgrounds into distinct “neighborhoods” to cater to diverse preferences. The episode also explored ancillary revenue streams for campgrounds, such as pet-related services. Guests shared ideas for offering pet amenities and products to enhance the customer experience and generate additional income. Furthermore, the panelists considered the potential impact of emerging technologies like VR and AR on the outdoor hospitality industry. While acknowledging that these technologies are unlikely to replace traditional camping experiences, they discussed their potential for marketing and attracting new customers. Finally, Mary Arlington took the opportunity to introduce “Rivers and Rockies,” a new association serving campground owners in several states. She explained its mission to provide localized support and address the specific needs of park owners in the region. Throughout the episode, host Brian Searl guided the discussion and encouraged the guests to share their expertise and insights. The conversation provided valuable information and perspectives for campground owners, operators, and anyone interested in the future of the outdoor hospitality industry.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
April 23, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 23rd, 2025

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl convened a panel of industry leaders and experts to explore the multifaceted dynamics of the RV and outdoor recreation sectors. The discussion featured recurring guests Eleonore Hamm from RVDA of Canada, Phil Ingrassia representing RVDA, and Greg Emmert, alongside special guest Eva Mitic, providing a range of perspectives on the current state and future direction of the industry. The episode addressed key issues such as the potential impact of tariffs, the shifting landscape of consumer behavior, and the role of innovation in driving the industry forward. The conversation began with a focus on the looming threat of tariffs and their potential repercussions for the RV industry. Eleonore Hamm provided insights into the Canadian perspective, explaining RVDA of Canada’s efforts to inform its members about the potential impact of counter tariff measures. She highlighted the challenges posed by the lack of a sufficient Canadian supply chain to meet the demand, with a significant portion of RVs sold in Canada being imported from the US. The tariffs, if implemented, would affect RVs crossing the border, potentially increasing costs for dealers and consumers. Phil Ingrassia, speaking from the United States, acknowledged the industry’s shared concerns regarding tariffs and underscored the importance of maintaining free and fair trade between the two countries. He noted the interconnectedness of the US and Canadian RV industries. Brian Searl raised the concern about the potential impact on private campgrounds if tariffs do go into effect. Eleonore Hamm responded that there could be a positive side for Canadian campgrounds as people might choose to camp locally. However, she expressed concern about the long-term impact on dealers and potentially on consumers. Eva Mitic contributed to the conversation by focusing on the role of technology and sustainability in shaping the future of the RV industry. She discussed trends like the increasing importance of user-friendly RV systems and the growing emphasis on sustainable practices. The episode explored how innovations such as lithium technology and artificial intelligence are transforming RV design and functionality, catering to evolving consumer expectations. The discussion also delved into the evolving landscape of consumer behavior in the RV and outdoor recreation sectors. Participants noted a trend toward ease of use and connectivity, as well as the impact of the COVID boom on consumer education and expectations. This has implications for both RV manufacturers and dealers, requiring them to adapt their offerings and strategies to meet changing consumer preferences. Brian Searl prompted the panel to consider various factors influencing the industry, from consumer behavior to technological advancements. Panelists discussed the importance of convenience and intuitive design, as well as the ongoing need to educate consumers about RV operation and maintenance. The episode further explored the challenges and opportunities associated with technological innovation in the RV industry, including the development and adoption of new power systems and the potential influence of electric vehicle technology. The complexities of research and development costs and the balance between innovation and affordability were also considered. The impact of economic uncertainties, including concerns about consumer sentiment and market fluctuations, was a recurring theme. Panelists analyzed the ways in which these factors influence consumer confidence and purchasing decisions, as well as business planning and investment in the RV sector. The discussion also underscored the increasing importance of advancements in RV components and systems, reflecting a broader trend toward enhanced functionality and user experience. The ongoing advancements in power systems and the potential to integrate “smart home” technology into RVs were highlighted as key areas of development. Ultimately, the MC Fireside Chats episode provided a valuable platform for exploring the multifaceted dynamics of the RV industry, bringing together diverse perspectives to analyze current challenges and anticipate future trends. The insights shared by industry experts contributed to a richer understanding of the forces shaping the sector and offered guidance for navigating its ongoing evolution.
April 16, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 16th, 2025

April 16th Episode Recap The episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks, convened a diverse panel of industry professionals including recurring guests Jeff Hoffman (Camp Strategy), Mike Harrison (CRR Hospitality), and Sandy Ellingson (Industry Liaison/Consultant), alongside special guests Kurtis Wilkins (Private Equity Analyst, Rjourney), Jennifer L. Grissom (Co-Owner, Crystal River KOA), and Yolanda “Yo’EL” D’Oyen (Owner, ARK@Denali Campground Resort). The comprehensive discussion explored crucial aspects of the outdoor hospitality sector, focusing on operational strategies, the interpretation of market data, adapting to consumer shifts, and navigating the increasing trend of institutional investment. Brian Searl opened the show by introducing the panel and highlighting recent technological advancements from Insider Perks. He announced the rollout of Rigsby, their AI voice chatbot, which is now capable of handling reservations via chat and is soon expected to offer voice reservation capabilities. Brian emphasized that this innovation is poised to be a significant disruptor in the industry, providing 24/7 booking options and eliminating common issues like busy signals, acknowledging that early adoption may involve a testing phase. The conversation quickly turned to industry data, prompted by insights drawn from the KOA North American Camping Report. Sandy Ellingson shared her positive takeaways, noting substantial increases in camping households and high retention rates among campers who began during the pandemic. She also highlighted encouraging growth in specific accommodation types, such as a significant rise in tent usage. However, Sandy expressed concern that some parks were limiting tent camping, which she sees as a vital “onboarding” method for introducing younger generations to camping, and advocated for viewing tent and car camping as strategic tools. Providing additional perspective on the data, Mike Harrison and Kurtis Wilkins cautioned against solely comparing current figures to 2019 (pre-pandemic) growth, which naturally saw a massive surge. While acknowledging continued overall interest, they stressed the importance of analyzing recent year-over-year changes and noted signs of potential headwinds, including recent nationwide dips in consumer activity in Q1 and April. Kurtis specifically highlighted that Rjourney is observing tighter booking windows, making forecasting more challenging despite no overall drop in bookings. A key theme discussed was the need for campgrounds to adapt to the evolving consumer. Mike Harrison pointed out that demographic data in some CRR Hospitality resorts shows a nearly equal distribution across age groups (Baby Boomers to Gen Z), necessitating varied marketing strategies across different platforms to reach each segment effectively. He and Kurtis Wilkins stressed the importance of adopting “experiential hospitality” to make stays a lifestyle experience and utilizing technology for simple enhancements, not just complex systems, to cater to the modern traveler. Kurtis Wilkins emphasized that understanding each park’s specific demographic and location is crucial for effective microtargeting in marketing efforts, noting that even regional terminology like “campground” versus “RV park” matters. He stressed the critical need for operators to closely monitor operational data such as pace reports, leads, and conversion rates at a granular level to identify demographic shifts and pivot strategies quickly in response to market changes, including those influenced by external factors. Jennifer L. Grissom shared her firsthand experience as a new owner/developer of the Crystal River KOA, which opened recently. She spoke about the success of her first year, exceeding initial projections, but also highlighted the operational challenges posed by the current narrow booking window that complicates forecasting. Jennifer discussed her surprise regarding the volume of tent campers and the lessons learned about pricing and managing that segment, noting that higher price points sometimes attract specific demographics like elderly individuals seeking facility access. She strongly emphasized the invaluable support the KOA franchise provides through established operating systems, marketing, and brand recognition for a park of her size. Yolanda “Yo’EL” D’Oyen introduced her unique and ambitious project, ARK@Denali Campground Resort in Alaska. Describing herself as a visionary builder, Yo’EL is developing the property to leverage its unparalleled view of Mount Denali. She detailed her strategy to operate year-round, which is uncommon in Alaska, partly driven by a personal mission to provide a place of light and community during the long winter months. Yo’EL outlined diversified revenue streams beyond traditional RV sites, including capitalizing on tour bus traffic with a heated viewing deck and other amenities, and mentioned exploring funding options like USDA loans and phased development to include workforce housing for quicker revenue generation. The increasing trend of institutional investment and the entry of major hotel brands into the outdoor hospitality space were significant points of discussion. Kurtis Wilkins highlighted Rjourney’s recent success securing a CMBS loan that included transient revenue, a first of its kind, which he believes will pave the way for other RV parks to access similar institutional financing. Mike Harrison discussed how this trend, combined with potential future online distribution platforms for campgrounds, is professionalizing the industry, suggesting that independent parks must embrace “operational excellence” and differentiate themselves effectively to compete, a point echoed by Jeff Hoffman on finding one’s niche. Concluding the chat, Kurtis Wilkins used a memorable analogy: technology is the car, and data are the windows – you need the right tech systems (the car) but also need to look at your data (the windows) to know where you’re going. He called for more collective data sharing across the industry to better understand and compete in the evolving market. The overall sentiment was one of dynamic change, with significant opportunities for parks willing to adapt, understand their guests and market, and leverage technology and data to enhance operations and guest experience. Brian Searl invited listeners to continue the data discussion on his other podcast, Outwired.
October 16, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 16th, 2024

In the October 16th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks opens the show with enthusiasm about upcoming changes to the program in 2025, including new topics and a revamped studio. The episode brings together a group of outdoor hospitality professionals, including campground owners and marketing experts, to discuss the challenges and opportunities in the industry. Regular guest Greg Emmert joins the conversation, along with special guests Danny Mulcahy, Stephanie Culver, Tim Dea, and Scott Cleveland, each contributing insights from their unique perspectives. Danny Mulcahy, president of USA Camping Company, shares his journey of growing his business from a single park in Florida to managing 13 parks across various states. His approach centers on providing high-quality outdoor experiences, focusing on properties near lakes, rivers, or other natural attractions. Danny discusses the delicate balance between creating a family-friendly atmosphere while managing the financial demands of running a large portfolio of parks. He emphasizes that guest experience is a priority, which guides decisions like investing in amenities such as viewing decks to enhance visitors’ stays. Tim Dea, of Rainbow Valley Campground in Edmonton, Alberta, explains how his campground operates alongside a ski hill, with the two businesses complementing each other seasonally. Tim notes that while the ski hill generates the bulk of his revenue in winter, the campground and summer operations offer significant potential. He shares the challenges of managing both aspects, particularly as summer draws to a close and preparations for the ski season begin. His focus has been on improving guest amenities, including new glamping domes, which reflect a broader trend in the industry towards offering unique experiences. Stephanie Culver, owner of Buzzworthy Property Management, speaks about her own campground ventures, including a groundbreaking ceremony for a new park in Texas. In addition to owning parks, she manages properties for other owners and stresses the importance of community involvement. She highlights how building strong relationships with local authorities and organizations, such as chambers of commerce, can ease regulatory challenges and foster goodwill. Stephanie also shares a personal story of a failed attempt to develop a park in West Virginia, where regulatory hurdles, including a massive infrastructure cost, ultimately led her to abandon the project. Scott Cleveland, director of marketing for USA Camping Company, discusses the importance of digital marketing in the modern campground industry. He explains how the company uses social media to build brand awareness and engage with potential guests. Scott notes that while it can be difficult to directly measure the return on investment from social media, the increase in organic search traffic and positive guest reviews demonstrate its long-term value. He also underscores the need for campgrounds to develop partnerships with local businesses, creating a mutually beneficial relationship that enhances the overall guest experience. The conversation touches on the regulatory challenges that often accompany campground expansion. Danny reflects on his experience in Oregon, where local regulations delayed a project by nearly three years. This led him to be more cautious about investing in highly regulated areas. Stephanie recounts her own struggles with federal requirements for a park in West Virginia, which ultimately became too costly to proceed. Both agree that working with local authorities early in the process is critical to avoid unforeseen obstacles. Another key theme of the discussion is the balance between providing memorable guest experiences and ensuring profitability. Danny shares how USA Camping Company weighs decisions about capital expenditures, often choosing projects that enhance the overall experience even if they don’t immediately generate revenue. Scott adds that guest satisfaction and word-of-mouth referrals can be just as valuable as direct marketing efforts, as they lead to repeat business and positive reviews. Tim also discusses the complexities of balancing different business operations, noting that while the ski hill brings in winter revenue, the campground requires its own attention and planning. He echoes the need for strategic investments that cater to both short-term visitors and long-term guests, drawing on his experience of operating in a highly seasonal environment. The episode concludes with a light-hearted exchange about hockey rivalries and upcoming industry events, including the OHIV show, where several of the guests plan to attend. Despite the challenges they face, all of the participants express optimism about the future of outdoor hospitality and the opportunities for continued growth and innovation. The conversation showcases the unique perspectives of campground owners and managers, highlighting the importance of balancing guest experience, community engagement, and regulatory compliance in a rapidly evolving industry.
October 9, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 9th, 2024

The October 9, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, featured guests Chris Jeub and Miguel Huerta, diving into a deep discussion about the Glamping Show and the broader outdoor hospitality industry. The conversation began with a light introduction, as Brian humorously shared his struggle with his camera setup before diving into the key topic: a recap of the recent Glamping Show in Aurora, Colorado. Both Chris and Miguel had attended, and they shared insights from their experiences at the show. The Glamping Show was described as an increasingly international event, with a notable rise in attendees from Latin America, which Miguel emphasized. He pointed out that many attendees were new to the industry, eager to learn the ropes of glamping operations. Miguel noted how the show’s exhibition space had grown, with more exhibitors and better facilities, despite the cold weather, which the event organizers had cleverly mitigated with enclosed walls for the tents. A key part of the conversation revolved around the attendees and their needs. Miguel highlighted how many people attending the show were industry rookies, looking to break into the glamping space. He also touched on the demand for more tailored education for those already running operations. Chris agreed, suggesting that the show could focus more on experienced operators and provide advanced content beyond the basics. He also noted the challenge of attendees who may feel the need to attend once but not return unless there’s fresh, advanced material. Marketing became a central theme, with Brian, Chris, and Miguel discussing its critical role in running a successful glamping business. Brian emphasized the importance of understanding the target audience, even before acquiring land or building accommodations. Marketing, in his view, is essential from the very start, shaping the success of a glamping operation. He pointed out that simply building accommodations is no longer enough in a post-COVID market where consumers have more choices. The panel agreed that marketing needs to be an ongoing, adaptable process. Miguel expanded on this by stressing that marketing is not just about spending money but about making smart, strategic investments. He shared data from Scott Bahr’s research, noting that while revenue in the glamping industry grew by 23% year-over-year, expenses rose by 39%, largely driven by marketing costs. He advised that operators must be prepared to allocate a significant portion of their revenue—up to 10%—for marketing efforts, including digital channels, which he noted had seen a decline in investment as operators sought alternative approaches like public relations and sponsorships. Chris contributed his perspective as a hands-on operator, explaining that his marketing strategy has shifted as his operation has evolved. He talked about the need to balance expectations with offerings, ensuring that guests receive what they anticipate based on the marketing they see. He emphasized that marketing should align with the reality of the experience offered, whether it’s luxury or a more rustic glamping experience. Chris also highlighted how direct bookings have become increasingly important, as they offer a better connection with guests and help reduce reliance on platforms like Airbnb. The conversation then turned toward the future of the Glamping Show itself. Both Chris and Miguel expressed excitement about its continued growth but emphasized the need for the event to evolve. They discussed the potential for the show to offer more niche content for seasoned operators, including those looking to expand or refine their operations. Miguel suggested that regional meetups and more targeted educational sessions could be beneficial for the industry, particularly as glamping becomes more sophisticated and segmented. As the discussion wrapped up, Miguel shared insights into the Latin American market, noting that WhatsApp plays a crucial role in managing bookings and communication with guests. He also touched on the unique challenges of running glamping sites in more remote locations, where maintenance costs and logistical issues can be higher. Brian closed the conversation by returning to the theme of creativity in marketing and operations. He reiterated that operators must continue to think strategically, not just in terms of immediate returns but long-term sustainability. He encouraged the use of new technologies, like AI, to optimize marketing efforts and reach the right audience. Miguel agreed, noting how tools like TikTok have dramatically shifted the landscape of digital marketing, with viral videos helping to drive significant traffic to glamping sites. In summary, the episode offered a thorough exploration of the Glamping Show and the evolving needs of the outdoor hospitality industry, with a particular focus on marketing strategies, the importance of understanding guest demographics, and the growing sophistication of glamping operations.
October 2, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 2nd, 2024

In the October 2, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, led a dynamic discussion live from the Glamping Show Americas in Denver. The show featured a stellar lineup of industry leaders and experts from various parts of the world, all sharing their perspectives on the growing glamping industry and its international reach. The panel included recurring guests Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo from the Mexican Glamping Association, Chris Jeub from Monument Glamping, and Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy. Special guests included Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, Jason Thawley of Tree Tent International, Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland, and a special appearance by William Clark from Fiji. The show began with each guest briefly introducing themselves. Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, which manages upscale luxury glamping and RV resorts, expressed his excitement about being part of the American Glamping Show again. He described the show as a “Christmas” for the glamping community, echoing sentiments from several panelists. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo, representing the Mexican Glamping Association, also described the event as a significant annual gathering, akin to a holiday, filled with excitement and innovation for the glamping world. Greg Emmert, a consultant with Camp Strategy, shared his enthusiasm for the diverse range of attendees and vendors from across the globe. Newcomer Jason Thawley, the founder of Tree Tent International, introduced his company’s unique suspended tree structures, which were being shown for the first time at the U.S. glamping show. Thawley expressed gratitude for the warm welcome his company received in the American market, noting that the U.S. glamping industry is highly organized, with business owners who have done their research and understand the market. He compared the U.S. show favorably to the UK glamping show, which he said doesn’t quite capture the same energy and diversity. Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland discussed the growth of her company and how their innovative geodesic domes have become popular worldwide, especially in the U.S. market. She shared that this was the third year in a row her company was exhibiting at the glamping show, and they were once again premiering new products, including a new camping tent and outdoor furniture line. Joanna spoke about FDomes’ dedication to supporting their clients throughout the entire process of setting up a glamping operation, emphasizing the importance of educating people about what glamping is, especially in countries like Poland, where the concept is still relatively new. Chris Jeub, the self-proclaimed “Glamping Guy,” shared his experiences operating a glamping site in Colorado. He reflected on the rapid growth of the industry, noting how five years ago, glamping was a term he had to explain to everyone. Today, glamping has exploded into a creative, dynamic industry with a wide variety of accommodation types, from domes to treehouses, container homes, and even buses. Chris emphasized the importance of creativity and flexibility in the glamping industry, as operators continue to innovate and create unique guest experiences. He also teased his upcoming educational course, “Easy Entry to Glamping Business,” which he plans to offer internationally to help aspiring glamping operators get started. The conversation then turned to Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, who shared insights about the emerging glamping market in Ecuador and other parts of Latin America. He explained that while the glamping industry in Ecuador is still in its infancy, there has been significant growth in recent years. Tomás described how his company has seen domes being used for a wide range of purposes, not just for glamping but also for schools, designer stores, and even churches. He noted that Ecuador’s more relaxed zoning laws for rural areas make it easier to establish glamping operations, offering significant potential for growth. However, he also pointed out that there is still a need for better business planning and operational expertise in the region, which presents an opportunity for development. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo highlighted the diversity of the attendees at the show, particularly the growing number of Latino and Latin American participants. He praised the inclusive atmosphere of the event and shared his thoughts on the evolution of the glamping industry in Mexico. He discussed how recent regulations in Mexico, such as limits on Airbnb rentals, are driving developers to invest in glamping sites instead. This shift, he said, will further boost the popularity of glamping in Mexico, especially in areas like the Firefly Sanctuary near Mexico City, where local guides and workers are now able to remain employed year-round thanks to glamping operations. A significant part of the discussion focused on the international expansion of glamping. The panelists explored how glamping has evolved in different countries, including challenges like regulatory hurdles, land use, and zoning laws. Chris Jeub and Greg Emmert discussed how U.S. states are beginning to embrace more flexible land-use laws, particularly with regards to accessory dwelling units (ADUs), which could help further the expansion of glamping operations. Greg Emmert pointed out that the glamping show has provided a platform for innovation, noting that some of the prices for glamping units have adjusted to more reasonable levels, making it easier for operators to build financially sustainable businesses. The conversation then touched on the global growth of glamping associations. Miguel Ángel Huerta shared his excitement about the Mexican Glamping Association’s progress and how other countries have expressed interest in creating their own associations. He joked about the possibility of a “Confederation of Glamping Associations” in the future but emphasized that the growing number of organizations dedicated to glamping reflects the industry’s increasing international appeal. At this point, William Clark from Fiji posed an important question about the possibility of forming an international glamping association. He highlighted how an international organization could help link the various national associations and provide a platform for sharing information, resources, and best practices. The panelists agreed that while forming a global association would be challenging due to the vast differences in regulations and market conditions across countries, there is immense value in fostering better communication and collaboration between existing national organizations. The discussion also touched on labor and staffing challenges in rural and remote areas. Mike Harrison pointed out that while staffing has been a challenge for many hospitality operators, the glamping industry provides a unique opportunity to foster a sense of community and connection. He emphasized that passion, drive, and a love for hospitality are more important than formal education in succeeding in this industry. Miguel Ángel Huerta noted that in Latin America, labor costs are lower, and workers often live near the glamping sites, which can add a personal touch to the guest experience. To wrap up the episode, Brian Searl asked the panelists to share their thoughts on how to inspire passion for hospitality in staff and employees. Mike Harrison responded that while passion cannot be taught, it can be inspired through leadership and fostering a culture of enthusiasm for hospitality. He emphasized the importance of education and creating opportunities for learning, whether through in-person events like the glamping show or online resources like the American Glamping University, which offers comprehensive courses on setting up and running glamping operations. The episode concluded with a sense of excitement about the future of the glamping industry, both in the U.S. and internationally. The panelists expressed optimism about the continued growth of glamping as a global phenomenon, driven by innovation, creativity, and a shared passion for providing unique, memorable outdoor experiences. The glamping show, with its diverse array of products and ideas, was described as a hub of inspiration and networking, bringing together people from all corners of the world to share their knowledge and passion for this rapidly evolving industry.
September 25, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 25th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats on September 25, 2024, hosted by Brian Searl, a vibrant conversation unfolded with prominent guests from the RV Industry. The discussion brought together Becky Goodell, CEO of Blacksford RV Rentals; Nika Shneyder, co-founder of Chill RV ; along with regular contributors like Eleonore Hamm, President of the RV Dealers Association (RVDA) of Canada; Phil Ingrassia, President of the RVDA; and Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance. The episode kicked off with introductions from the panel, where Eleonore Hamm shared insights into the RVDA of Canada’s strategic goals focusing on advocacy, education, and industry intelligence. She emphasized how these industry conversations help to provide valuable updates about the current state of the RV sector. Becky Goodell, CEO of Blacksford RV Rentals, followed, sharing her journey to Elkhart, Indiana, where she was exploring new RV models from major manufacturers like Thor and Winnebago. Becky emphasized how her company, a premium RV rental business, focuses on delivering luxury experiences in locations like Yellowstone, Glacier, and Teton National Parks, with expansions underway in Las Vegas and Phoenix. Nika Shneyder of Chill RV provided a look into her family-run business, which offers luxury RV rentals in Los Angeles. She detailed how the business started in 2016 and has since managed over 2,000 reservations. Both Becky and Nika underscored the demand for high-quality, full-service RV rentals. Despite the broader market fluctuations, ChillRV’s fleet of 16 luxury RVs has faced some softening demand compared to the post-pandemic boom, though the luxury sector, particularly in the RV world, remains largely stable. Phil Ingrassia and Susan Carpenter joined the conversation from the ongoing RV Open House in Elkhart, where manufacturers showcase their latest products to dealers. Phil highlighted that this year’s theme revolved around innovation and affordability, with electric and hybrid RV models taking center stage. Thor Industries, for example, showcased a hybrid electric motorhome that sparked considerable interest among attendees. Susan, reporting from the same event, echoed Phil’s optimism and pointed out that despite challenging weather, spirits remained high at the RVDA Open House Breakfast, which saw standing-room-only attendance. A significant part of the conversation centered around the evolving landscape of RV rentals. Becky and Nika emphasized how their companies prioritize customer service, offering full packages that include unlimited mileage, roadside assistance, and the promise of seamless experiences. Becky, representing Blacksford, illustrated how they ensure their clients have everything they need for their trips, from linens to kitchen supplies, while also spending ample time training customers on RV use, especially for first-time renters. Nika echoed similar sentiments, emphasizing that providing premium service is what differentiates her business from peer-to-peer platforms like Outdoorsy or RVShare. The discussion turned to the challenges of navigating peer-to-peer rental platforms, with Becky and Nika both acknowledging their initial reliance on such platforms to grow their businesses. However, both have since developed their independent booking systems. They highlighted the risks associated with peer-to-peer rentals, such as last-minute cancellations or inconsistent vehicle quality, stressing the importance of customer trust and guaranteed support from established businesses. On the industry front, Eleonore Hamm spoke about how the Canadian RV market is faring, and the group discussed the implications of interest rates and economic factors on RV sales. While some regions and sectors see a softening in demand, the luxury market, especially in RV rentals and resorts, seems to be weathering economic challenges better than expected. Phil Ingrassia added that consumers remain interested in innovative and affordable options, and manufacturers are responding with new models that cater to both high-end buyers and more budget-conscious customers. The panel also explored the rising trend of RV rentals for festivals like Burning Man. Nika shared how ChillRV has found a profitable niche serving Burning Man attendees, despite the potential wear and tear on vehicles. While Becky mentioned Blacksford’s hesitance to cater to Burning Man due to insurance issues, Nika explained that careful preparation and premium pricing have made this market highly lucrative for her company. As the episode wrapped up, the focus shifted to future growth and expansion. Becky discussed how Blacksford is looking to scale its operations while maintaining its premium service standards. The challenge, she noted, lies in finding the right manufacturers and financing options to support their growing fleet. Nika expressed similar aspirations for ChillRV, sharing her plans to expand services at future festivals, including offering a more comprehensive experience with extra amenities and support for clients. In closing, Susan Carpenter shared updates from the RV Women’s Alliance, announcing their latest charity collaboration and highlighting the upcoming awards program that celebrates trailblazers and rising stars in the RV industry. The discussion ended on a hopeful note, with the panelists looking forward to future industry events, including the upcoming RV Dealers Convention in Las Vegas, where further industry insights and opportunities will be explored. Overall, the episode captured the optimism and innovation driving the RV industry forward, despite current market challenges, with an emphasis on quality service, customer trust, and adapting to evolving market demands.
September 18, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 18th, 2024

The September 18th, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats brought together a group of campground owners, RV park investors, and outdoor hospitality experts for a lively discussion on industry trends, challenges, and strategies for success. Hosted by Brian Searl, the panel included regulars like Ali Rasmussen (Spacious Skies Campgrounds), Tom Mason (Ivy Group), Joe Duemig (App My Community), Rachel Williamson (KCN Campgrounds), and Greg Emmert (Camp Strategy). Special guests included Sarah Krause (Kinney Lake Campground), Zachary Cooper (Blue Metric Group), and Peter Bingeman (Country Gardens RV Park). Each speaker offered unique insights into campground operations, investment strategies, and enhancing the guest experience. Ali Rasmussen kicked off the introductions by sharing her experience managing 15 campgrounds across various states. She explained that Spacious Skies had temporarily paused acquisitions to focus on streamlining operations and developing a more efficient management system. This move, she said, was crucial to ensuring long-term growth and sustainability for the company. Peter Bingeman, with 50 years of experience managing 4,500 sites across three properties, also shared his approach to hands-on management and the value of maintaining family-run operations. The conversation quickly shifted to RV park investments, led by Zachary Cooper of Blue Metric Group. Zachary detailed how his company strategically focuses on acquiring RV parks in tax-friendly states like Tennessee and across the southeastern U.S. He stressed the importance of vertical integration, with Blue Metric managing the parks they acquire to maximize efficiency and profitability. Zachary emphasized that their acquisition strategy relies on dealing directly with sellers, targeting family-owned operations, and choosing parks near permanent assets like lakes or national parks. Tom Mason from Ivy Group and Greg Emmert of Camp Strategy offered further insights into managing multiple properties. Tom discussed the challenges of keeping both seasonal and short-term guests satisfied, highlighting how third-party management and building strong partnerships had contributed to Ivy Group’s success. Greg echoed similar thoughts, noting that understanding the unique dynamics of each campground is essential for effective management. Both stressed the importance of thorough market research before making operational changes or acquisitions. Sarah Krause, representing Kinney Lake Campground, contributed by discussing the critical need for infrastructure improvements, especially at older parks. She shared her experience overseeing three campgrounds in Wisconsin, where upgrading electric and sewer systems had been vital to enhancing the guest experience. Sarah also touched on the challenges of managing on-site restaurants at campgrounds, emphasizing that these services should be viewed as amenities rather than primary revenue sources. Food and beverage services became a major talking point, with Sarah, Tom, and Peter sharing their strategies. Sarah noted that all three of her parks had restaurants and concession stands, which create a resort-like atmosphere for guests. However, she acknowledged the difficulties in maintaining profitability, especially in rural areas where food costs and labor are unpredictable. Peter agreed, stating that while his parks offer basic food services like snack shacks, they are seen more as guest amenities than major profit centers. Ali added to this by sharing Spacious Skies’ approach of partnering with local food trucks, which allows them to offer diverse dining options without the complexities of running in-house restaurants. Zachary also highlighted how Blue Metric Group has successfully used food trucks to engage the local community and enhance the guest experience without stretching operational resources too thin. These strategies, the panel agreed, help balance guest satisfaction with operational efficiency. Technology was another significant theme. Joe Duemig discussed how his platform, App My Community, helps campgrounds streamline operations. The app allows features like maintenance requests, real-time feedback, and activity sign-ups, reducing staff workloads and improving guest satisfaction. Joe also mentioned that some campgrounds are using the app to manage day passes, which helps prevent overcrowding of amenities like pools and hiking trails by allowing guests to book specific time slots. The panel explored the pros and cons of offering day-use passes for campground amenities. Tom Mason and Greg Emmert noted that they had experienced issues with overcrowding and complaints from overnight guests when day-use visitors were allowed. However, Ali and Peter shared a more positive view, especially in parks with larger natural features. Ali explained that managing day-use capacity and offering passes only on certain days helps balance the needs of both day-use visitors and campers, while also building relationships with the local community. The episode concluded with a discussion on the importance of community engagement and supporting campground associations. Peter Bingeman, a former president of both provincial and national associations in Canada, stressed the vital role these organizations play in providing resources and advocacy for campground owners. Ali and Zachary echoed this, emphasizing their commitment to maintaining state association memberships and collaborating with industry peers to stay informed on trends and best practices. In summary, the September 18th episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive look at the outdoor hospitality industry’s evolving landscape. From investment strategies and operational challenges to guest experience enhancements and community engagement, the panelists offered valuable insights and advice for campground owners, investors, and operators looking to thrive in this dynamic sector.
September 11, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 11th, 2024 

This is MC Fireside Chats, a weekly show featuring conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts who share their insights to help your business succeed. Hosted by Brian Searle, the founder and CEO of Insider Perks. Empowered by insights from Modern Campground, the most innovative news source in the industry. Greg Emert: All right, and after three unsuccessful attempts to start that and a little bit of teasing with the intro video, here we are live. Thanks, everybody, for joining us for this week’s MC Fireside Chats. I am your guest host, Greg Emert. I’m the co-founder of Camp Strategy. We are an end-to-end solution, and we do consulting for campgrounds and landfronts across the United States. We’re based in Ohio. I’m happy to be here as your guest host today. And joining me, I have an esteemed panel of guests, both recurring and special for this week. So why don’t we take a trip around the board, and let’s just go around Brady Bunch style. We’ll start with Susan, make our way to Gordon, and then keep going around the board. So Susan, give us an introduction. Tell us a little bit about who you are and where you’re from. Susan Smith: Well, I’m Susan Smith. I’m in Wimberley, Texas, which is about 30 minutes east of Austin. And I am the owner and operator of Senya on Lone Man Creek, which is a glamping site. And it’s one unit and it’s kind of a little Africa in the Texas Greg Emert: And that sounds lovely. And by little African, you mean that the safari tents are very African in nature, correct? You don’t mean that you have, there are no rhinos, lions, elephants? All right. As little as that would be. I would, I would sign up for that if there was like a no trampling clause in there somewhere, but I. Yeah. Susan Smith: No, just Texas animals. All right. Fair enough. Greg Emert: Well, those are beautiful as well. And so moving on now to Gordon, who I believe is also Gordon Cook: How y’all doing? Gordon Cook. I have Al’s Hideaway Cabin and RV Park, named after my wife’s grandfather that was from the area. We built it. We run it. It’s all family owned, operated. We have 12, 13 cabins now, 13 long cabins, two belt tents, 10 RV spaces and an old school bus. here on the property that we’re in now. And I’m sitting right now in our big 60 by 40 outdoor pavilion with a fireplace, big outdoor kitchen over there, swimming pool, pool table, all that. And I’m located in Pike Creek, Texas, which is between San Antonio and Bandera on Highway 16, not far from Wimberley. Greg Emert: Lovely. So, y’all are neighbors at this point, Susan and Gordon. All right. Well, maybe next time we can get a tour of that. Gordon, that sounds beautiful. We’ll have to get you next time. We’ll get that camera mobile and we’ll take a look at all that stuff, because it sounds like you’ve got quite the eclectic mix of accommodations, which I’m looking forward to talking to you about. That school bus sounds interesting. Yeah. So moving on, Angele, thank you for joining us today. Tell us a little bit about you and where you’re from. Angele Miller: Hi, everyone. I’m happy to be here today. And I am in Atlantic Canada. and I’m a co-founder of a resort called Creekside R&R Glamping. We’re an award-winning resort and we offer nature experiences where we have geodesic domes in nature, we have 10 accommodation on site, up to a lobster fishing boat accommodation as well, which is kind of new for us and very beautiful and fun. And we also have a Nordic spa, a meditation yoga center, and many activities as well on site from canoeing, paddle boarding, kayaking, fat bikes, you know, all that fun stuff. So really happy to be here joining everyone today. Greg Emert: Lovely. That sounds like an amazing place. Like I was saying, before we got in the room, I’m interested to talk to you a little bit about the conservation side of what you do, because I think that’s something that maybe gets overlooked sometimes. It’s more so accepted in Glamping, I think, than it is RV parks, which is sort of my strong suit. You know, you see a lot of RV parks, they look like a city built under trees, and they sort of lean away from the reason that I think a lot of people get into it, to enjoy nature, but sort of safely on their own terms, right? Like some people are still petrified when they see a spider, but they want to go camping in places where there are spiders because that means they have trees and blue skies, right? And so I applaud you for doing that. I think that’s something that people need more in the industry and out of it. Moving on, Chris, is these Chris Jeub: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Greg Emert: Yeah, I don’t know why I’m the host if we literally have a guest. Chris Jeub: So tell us about the domain was available and I picked it up. That’s a good name. Good. I run Monument Lamping out of Monument, Colorado. We have two properties. I’ve taken a step back this last year and really solidified the permitting that was required on both the properties. So I have only eight units open right now, but that was a step back from 13 we had at the most in the past couple of years. But we’re permitted for 36. So I’m locked and loaded to really develop. So we’re eyeballs up in in permitting and are not permitting but land development site development is what they call it in the the government bureau, the bubbleheads like to call it that. But I also run GlampingGuy, GlampingGuy.com, and that’s my educational arm. I’ve been doing it for about a year. I just launched a podcast myself. You can see it at GlampingGuy.com. I just finished my third interview of a glamper out in Shenandoah Valley. Honestly, all of you could be guests on the Glamping Guy podcast. Because the series that I’m going through is called the Glamping Masters. They’re people who are really walking the walk and doing really, that’s honestly what I wanted to have when I was starting off and clunking along and not knowing what I was doing. Just feeling like, man, if I could just be a fly on a wall of somebody who’s doing what I think I’m doing right. And that’s what I’m hoping to have Glamping Guide be, is that, hey, here’s your opportunity to peer inside the lives of glampers and see how they’re building safe, legal, and profitable glamping operations on their private property. Greg Emert: Well, what a wonderful and Chris, I’m going to guess I know you’ve got a an education background, so that kind of slides perfectly into what you’re trying to do there, right? To educate folks about glamping and your experience. Chris Jeub: I left English teaching to do glamping. Greg Emert: All right, well, but you’re still in the educational realm, right? Because you can’t get rid of that, but it sounds. Can’t help myself. It’s a bug I just can’t get rid of. you have also always had a bit of a serial entrepreneurship because you even took your educational side and turned it into entrepreneurship, right? So wonderful. You saw a need and filled it. Chris Jeub: That’s great. The market calls. You just can’t ignore it. Greg Emert: That’s right. And I’m sure as everyone here is an entrepreneur, you know that once you get into it, it’s really hard to go back to anything else, regardless of what you may have done in your former life. It’s a bug that bites you and you’re kind of stuck with it. and a Good for you, man. That’s awesome. So I think we’ll circle back at some point here, because I have a feeling everybody’s going to have those development growing pains type stories. And maybe you can speak to what you’ve been going through recently. And last, but of course, very, very much not least, we have Tess from Ranchlands. And Tess, thank you for joining us. Tell us a little bit about where you’re from and what you’re doing. Tess Leach: Yeah, thanks for having me, Greg. I just relocated to north central Wyoming. We moved from Colorado, actually right down the road from you in Monument. And we are large-scale ranch managers. We run ranches across the West. And on many of those ranches, we also run hospitality operations. We have just opened our newest location here on the Paint Rock Canyon Ranch. in Hyattville, Wyoming, a town of about 79 people is what’s on the population side. But we have about 80,000 acres on the ranch, and then it backs up to BLM Forest Service, and we guide trips up into the mountains from working on the ranch, workshops with writers, artists, sportsmanship instructors, just masters at their craft based out of safari style tents that we have set up alongside the paint rot creek. We are doubling our number of tents next year to 14 and really putting all of our emphasis on this new property that we have up here in Wyoming as we transition out of Colorado. So yeah, I mean it’s different in that we don’t offer one-night stays. Guests come for five nights or more, and it’s an all-inclusive sort of thing. But we’ve been operating for 25 years with guests and really feel so grateful to be able to do it into the future. Greg Emert: Yeah, and I looked and I think we’re just going to jump right in and test. I’m going to stick with you because I think your property is really unique. Before we do, though, of course, I want to thank our sponsors this week, which is Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. Scott and his team of outdoor hospitality experts over there really lead an excellent organization. So if anyone is watching and interested in third party management for your camping or glamping property, highly recommend checking out Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. There we go. Now, this is the part where I wait for, I think they’re going to send me like $20 for something so nice. I’ll probably be waiting on that. I don’t think I’m going to get that today. But I would like to go back to Tess. Tess, I was looking at your properties earlier. And I think, you know, we spoke a little bit earlier to, I was speaking backstage, and just some of the uniqueness that glamping really taps into, you know, it is Campgrounds are learning the experiential side of hospitality, but glampgrounds, I think, are sort of forced to do it, right? Because you can get a pretty piece of property and put tents on it, but what do I want to go there for, right? Are you near something? What are you offering that brings someone in? Or you want to talk about unique experiences. You have found a way to sort of tie in the conservation of ranching, which is, as you point out well on your website, and most people probably know, it’s sort of a… It’s a dying industry, right? There are fewer and fewer young people staying in it, and it’s not something that people look at as a business or lifestyle that much anymore. Things have sort of shifted digital, but you have found a way to promote it via your stays. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to the realization that by bringing people out, putting them on your land, you could not just drive revenue, but also drive awareness for your industry? Tess Leach: Yeah. Yeah, well, that I mean, that is exactly where it came from. My dad grew up ranching in Mexico and moved to the US during college, and worked for an old school ranching family in eastern Colorado, managing properties And one day he was meeting with, the guy’s name was Dale, Dale. And Dale said, well, I think, Duke, that we need to look at hospitality. And his response was, you know, over my dead body. I’m a rancher. I don’t want to be dealing with city slickers coming out and, you know, getting in the way of everything. And then fast forward many years later, he leased a large ranch outside of Colorado Springs. the first thing you look to to pay the lease was hospitality, in addition to revenue from livestock. So for us, it’s ranchland stay is what we call our hospitality arm, has really been a solution to being able to stay on the land and stay competitive with the lease rates. And so it’s one of the number one things that we do on the property that we manage if the owners are interested. And then on the other side, Greg, to your point, it’s an amazing way to communicate the realities of ranching and the importance of ranching to conservation to the general public that lives, I think 98% of the population lives in urban centers. So getting people out to come to a poetry workshop or an art workshop, but they’re painting cattle and horses and interacting land, creating that relationship has really gone a long way in creating a community that looks at our industry differently and, you know, gives us hope that it might last into the future. Greg Emert: Yeah, what a wonderful approach. It’s and I applaud you for finding that because I think sometimes, you know, we and I know I did this. My parents bought a campground when I was 20 and they were like, you want to be a part of it? And I said, sure. And I thought, Well, I’ll get to camp. Yeah, I was just an idiot, right? So then within a year, I realized, no, what I was actually going to do was work harder than I ever thought possible. We did that for 26 years. But for the last 10 or so, I got to steer the ship. And I thought, jeez, if I’m going to do this, I want to go to work someplace that I really enjoy being and someplace that I want to be. So I selfishly started turning it into more of a conservation-based theme, right? And we led hikes. And because I’m just a nerd, and I want to share everything beautiful in nature with the world you have found a way to do that very much with you know with your industry and there’s nothing selfish about it at all do what you love right and and you never work a day in your life okay we all know that’s garbage you’re gonna work really hard still however you’re gonna enjoy it more right and so that um that kind of leads me back over through to Angele’s property where she is leaning really hard into the nature side of it. And since we’re talking experiential, why don’t we go there for a minute. Angele, why don’t you tell us how you How do you lean into that and how do you sort of attract that demographic? Is it through your marketing? Do you make sure to tell these folks, hey, this is what you’re getting into? Or do you find that people come there and then sort of fall into it once they arrive? Angele Miller: Yeah, for sure. I mean, that’s a really good question, you know, and I think for us, it really has to do a lot with the marketing as well, more than, you know, people coming. I mean, there are some people for sure that will book, maybe because they are in their region, and they’re looking for accommodation. And then, they kind of get that experience. But for us, it’s really the core of what we created. So we really do show that through our marketing and, you know, how we’ve been introducing our resort. We’ve really been targeting a lot of people that, you know, they they’re maybe in the city and, you know, we have busy lives and we want them to be able to go and in nature and have that experience and really relax but also with the amenities they would be used to in their home resort style amenities uh in nature so that’s uh what we’re really focusing on here uh and we’re really highlighting uh the beauty of the the nature in the region like we’ve really work hard to keep all the trees, you know, everywhere. You know, we have a lot of apple trees, cherry bushes, you know, blackberries, everything. And we’ve really made sure to keep that through the property so that the wildlife comes in. So we have a lot of deer and little foxes and like you know uh raccoons and other cute animals but they uh you know and the guests you know it’s become a thing too that when they come they love that experience and they get so excited if they see a deer or something they’ll send us a message and say oh look what I saw and they’ll send a picture uh but it was a really big part of us when we built the resort is to preserve that and really show that uh that we are that type we’ve been attracting so the city and some people to get out of the city or to go in nature and work uh in a dome so we say why work from home when you can work in a dome so we do that you know great tag yeah great tagline so they come and they enjoy um the experience and you know we’ve really made sure we preserve all the bird habitats so we have so many different bird habitats there like you know we have a lot of eagles but we have a lot of blue herons that nest right in our creek where we are, and so many different birds, it’s unbelievable. So it’s really fun, you know, so people when they come, they really get that nature experience, but we’re still not far from a city, you know, we’re just 30 minutes, but we’ve really worked hard to bring that experience and really keep nature alive, you know, through the resort for sure. Greg Emert: Yeah, that’s wonderful. I think I just, I love hearing stories about owners incorporating what they’re passionate into, into that experiential side, because, you know, all the market data shows us that the things that glampers expect Sadly, the top one is Wi-Fi, but whatever. I want it too when I’m out. I hate to say it. There are certain trips that I grab my backpack and I head down a trail, and when I see there’s no more signal, I go, OK, I’ve arrived where I want to stay. There’s an awful lot of trips where I still need that connectivity. So they need their Wi-Fi and their resort level accommodations, which you touched on is very important. But also, it’s that experience. What can you give them when they get out there? You and Tess definitely have a unique approach to that. And Susan, you’ve got a bit of a unique approach to it too, because, you know, bringing a bit of Africa to Texas is quite a unique approach, whether or not you have the elephants. Why don’t you tell us a little bit about your operation and what you do there to sort of define the guest experience and maybe some of the unique things that you do there to build on that, that builds that connection for the guests where they want to come back and repeat. Susan Smith: Sure. A lot of our guests are return guests. Anniversaries, engagements, people come to work. We do have Wi-Fi. We don’t have TV. This is the TV out here. I’m actually on the porch of the tent. But Senya is a custom-made African authentic tent. And it has a big king-size bed with down cushions, Nespresso coffee maker, clawfoot bathtub, outside shower, which is wonderful, and a hot tub. We’re right on the creek and there’s a seasonal waterfall. So similar to what you are talking about, people come here because it’s beautiful. We’re kind of on top of the hill and the trees. You can hear the birds and see the sunset and the sunrise, um, hear the roosters and the coyotes. Um, but people just come here to be quiet and get out of the hectic rat race, um, just to come and reconnect with each other. So we also have massage therapists that come in that do coupled massage or spa treatments. Um, so it’s just kind of lovely, quiet. know, recharge plates that we offer. And I love it. I love sharing it with people. Greg Emert: And that’s really key, right? If you if you are an owner that enjoys sharing that opportunity with somebody else, it’s sort of the difference between you know, maybe a fisherman and a fishing guide, right? That fishing guide, he might like to go fishing, but my goodness, the joy that you get out of standing there and watching somebody else hook up when they’ve been trying all day, because you get to share the experience. It’s very much what you’re describing, and it is, it’s, I know for me, it’s also very, very rewarding, even though I’m not in that business anymore. Susan Smith: It is. Yeah. Go right ahead, please. I think it’s one of the best places about having Senya for me. I also have a vegetable garden. People can get veggies and herbs and cook. And most of the return guests we know and sometimes we text back and forth. So it’s just it’s great for everybody. It’s just a great spirit, calm place for people to come and take a little bit back to real life, hopefully. Greg Emert: Absolutely. And speaking of unique, we’re going to move down now to Gordon, because Gordon, I said before we started, Gordon wins. best hat, best beard, best background for the year, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t know what Brian’s going to say when he gets back, but Gordon, you got it all going on there, man. Tell us a little bit about, you mentioned some really unique accommodations, I believe you said a schoolie, their converted school bus as well. Tell us a little bit about your unique accommodations and sort of how you arrived at adding them. Maybe before we start, how much of your property is RV versus how much is glamping and accommodations? Gordon Cook: Not a lot of it’s RVs. Like I said, I only have 10 RV space. We kept it real small, and we’ve done that for a reason, you know. Smaller, less crowd, less rules, more relaxation you have. But we have 10 RV spaces, 12 log cabins that look down into the meadow, and I’ve got one log cabin up here that kind of overlooks the hills and everything. then the old schoolies back there in the woods and then we got two bell tents back over here and then back back by the creek back here we got a teepee actual real teepee back there that you can camp in or camp around and hang out in or whatever but when we bought the we bought raw property and we come out here and we spent five, six months just camping, actually camping on the property, clearing, cleaning, trying to figure an idea of what we had, the layout we wanted to do, and we saved every tree that we could, and it’s worked out great. We have a lot of guests that come from the San Antonio area, Austin, Houston, Dallas, And they come to get away from the city, the noise. And it’s really, we got really lucky. I don’t know if y’all are familiar. I know Susan is. There’s a lot of exotic ranches in the Texas Hill Country. That’s where we’re at in the Texas Hill Country. There’s a lot of exotic ranches. Well, just like any other ranch with animals, they get loose. So if you’re sitting down there in one of your cabins and drinking your coffee in the morning and you look up and a bighorn sheep comes walking through the meadow, don’t call to wake me up. You’re going to see zebras, you’ll see camels, bighorn sheep, axis deer are everywhere. I’m sure y’all got plenty of axis deer just In fact, the hunting season on access here, there is no season there. It’s open hunt on them. Monkeys, we got the lemurs, the little monkey from Madagascar. They’re running loose out here. The ring-tailed cats are running loose out here. And because of that, when I cleared my property and built the campground, I put in two large aerobic septic systems. If you’re not familiar with aerobic, what an aerobic septic system is, it’s basically a water treatment plant underground. And it’s got water sprinklers. So we go through a drought. We’re in drought just about year round out here. Every five, six years we get a little bit of rain. But with my aerobic system, that waters, I got a seven acre meadow down there that’s opened up and all the cabins are lined along the outside of it and the RVs are up here looking down at it, but I got 20 water sprinklers heads out there that water my meadow. So I pretty much get to mow year round. I’m probably the only person in Texas Hill Country that gets to mow year round. Greg Emert: My goodness. Yeah, that’s a unique attraction right there. Green grass. I think you could market that probably. Gordon Cook: We just mowed this morning. After I cleared, I went back and I planted the native ryegrass for the deer, for all the animals and stuff that come through here. Turkeys, we got a flock of turkeys. There’s about 60 turkeys in a flock. I mean, when they come parading through, the show is on. And people just love sitting up on their porches and watching. And I got Armadillo, I got one Armadillo out here, the state record. Biggest Armadillo you ever seen in your life. He is huge. You better not leave the keys in your car, he’ll take it to town. Greg Emert: Now if you could send a few of those, you said zebras and camels, you send a couple Susans, Wayne, she really does have an African plains experience. Yeah, they’re in Texas. I mean she’s right up the road. She don’t have them because there’s a lot of exotic Yeah, the the the Texotics is uh is definitely a thing down there, isn’t it? Gordon Cook: And they get loose. I mean they get out. Greg Emert: They sure do. They sure do. Gordon Cook: So, they trap them, catch them, put them back up. They get right, they get out. Greg Emert: They get right back out again. And so, Chris, tell us a little bit about your place. I want to start on your offerings and sort of the same thing, like how you differentiate yourself, what’s your unique experience or your value prop there. And then I do want to talk a little bit about your expansion, your permitting, because I think that’s going to be pretty valuable to a lot of the folks watching today. I am sure that anyone out there who’s built something or is expanding something either has a migraine or has had a migraine from the the permitting and the entitlement process. Chris Jeub: Yeah, I started. I had no idea about permitting. I fell into glamping by accident. Greg Emert: Your mic might be off, Chris. Are you still… I don’t have you muted. Chris Jeub: I thought I did. Can you hear me now? Greg Emert: Yeah. I don’t hear you. Chris Jeub: Nope. Can everyone else hear me? Greg Emert: and Chris Jeub: I didn’t have this figured all out. And so, however, I got into trouble, but I got out of trouble. And I really started just working it and making sure. Oh, someone else. Wait a minute, Greg. Can everyone hear me? Angele Miller: Yeah. Chris Jeub: Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think it is on your end, Greg. So someone text Greg. Because I see it coming up in the text. I’m just rolling with it. Okay, we’re gonna keep going. Anyway. So, however, that journey has been very educational, and really enlightening, and profitable. I think the money is what’s drawn me into it, you might say. However, I really resonated with what some of you are saying. I think it was Was it you Tess or Susan? I can’t remember who said it, but you, you said something like you really enjoy. It’s almost like an adrenaline rush, isn’t it? When, when people come to your property and then you give them a good time and they, they just had, they’re blown away and they just, I could go on and on with stories about how the, the young couple, the, the mom, dad, couple kids, the, the, the people who come to the property and just are, have a wonderful time. It’s something that just blooms in me and my wife. We really have discovered a love for hospitality we didn’t know we had before we got into it. And then we start legitimizing our business and start building and creating more venues and more experiences for people. I’m at the point right now where I am becoming more and more unique. Some of you are really unique and you found your groove. I feel like I’m still finding my groove because I’ve modeled some of the big guys, the big dogs, and I don’t know if that was such a good idea. Like the whole idea of glamorous camping, the pampered camping, the food and beverage, the spas and the saunas, I just kind of envied all of them. And I don’t know if that’s really who I am. My wife and I are kind of rebranding Monument Glamping and being hassle-free camping, meaning it’s still a luxurious stay. You still get the queen size bed and you get the propane stove, but everything’s done for you. Just show up with your food and beverage and have a nice outdoor experience. And that has been how we’re kind of transitioning and that’s 2025’s Monument Glamping brand is hassle-free camping. You’re outdoors. You’re close enough to civilization. You’re not out in the boonies. And where, you know, where people might be afraid to be outdoors and be afraid to come camping. But they’re really just local. I mean, we’re really a stone’s throw away from town. And people like that. The avatar that I’m trying to attract, they really do enjoy that. It’s more of the staycationer. than the rugged outdoorsman who was kind of like me. I kind of built the campground for me rather than for the market. The market really is for people who are busting out of Dodge, busting out of Colorado Springs, busting out of Denver, and they just want to have a nice experience outdoors with their loved one, and then I’m there ready to accommodate for them. That’s who Brendi and I really like. We really don’t like the howdy-towdy types that want everything done for them. We don’t really like those kinds of guests. We like the kind of guests who are some of our favorite guests, like a single dad who has custody of his kids for the weekend. Boom. We’re all over that. We love it. Hey, stay in the tent, ride the zipline, play in the creek. That’s what we would like versus the honeymooner who really does expect more than we’re willing to give. And that to me is really where I’m at personally in trying to address a market need, the glamping groove that I’m trying to get into. Greg Emert: That’s really excellent that you point that out because I think it’s very important to build. You want to build the property that you want to be at because you’re going to be there working it. Even if you’ve got somebody like Horizon, today’s sponsor of the show, if I can throw that in. Even if you’ve got somebody like them and they’re running the third party for you, you’re going to have to work this thing at some point. It’s not going to be totally hands-off, right? You want to have someplace that you enjoy going, that the experience that you provide, you enjoy providing. Otherwise, those 10-hour days feel like 30-hour days. You feel like there’s no respite if you’re constantly providing something to a guest that you just don’t enjoy. So really, congratulations on discovering that, because I think that takes a long time for some people. They end up feeling like, Well, that guy is really successful. I just want to be like that guy. And they don’t take away what’s really important from that guy, which is how they found their way to being successful. They think you just you take that person’s recipe, you add other ingredients, and then it’s going to work for me. And it doesn’t always work that way, as you just so well put it. Chris Jeub: Yeah, and let me piggyback on that, because it kind of took me five years to figure this out. I feel like almost an idiot. Why didn’t I come up with this five years ago? Because it would have been awesome. But I already mentioned the single dad. That was a real situation. He didn’t know what to do with his kids the weekend, and he rented my place, and it turned out to be the time of their lives. And that just almost moves me to tears, because it’s like, man, I’ve really filled a need. On the other adverse fact, I got a couple from Chicago and they just raked me personally, like to my face. They called me in and they said how bad the place was and we expected this and we expected that. It was such a bad experience as a host. But then we were, Wendy and I kind of talked about it and said, do we really want people like this here? Maybe not. And so why are we branding ourselves as this beautiful, glamorous camping, glamorous glamping site? Um, love much like, um, like I’m trying to think of, uh, um, open sky, you know, open sky will blow all of our minds. I bet, man, it’s just a beautiful place and five star hotel type of place. Um, that ain’t me. It’s just a doc. And I don’t really want to be that. And so that it’s a bit of kind of like addressing the market with a little bit of humility. You know, like I’m not going to be like these people. But honestly, that’s actually a sweet spot to find when you can figure out that you are your unique self. And people here are coming here for an experience, a Monument Glamping experience. and um and they get did they do get a big piece of chris and wendy jupe you know we we make we make homemade wine we make homemade kombucha we we put together these little these camping packs we call color cookouts and things like that so you do get a little bit of our personality when you come even though we don’t You know, we’re not camping down there with you. But it is a little bit of, they want to experience who their hosts are to an extent. And I believe we’re getting better and better at providing that. And our reviews are getting better from that. When we finally made that decision, it was a few months ago, we were assimilating to this decision. Some of our messaging and our emails and how we respond to people and how we greet people has been adjusting to, instead of blowing your mind with this five-star hotel type of thing, we are, hey, don’t You don’t have to bring your camping supplies. We’ve got those for you. That’s been kind of our language, our discussion, our rapport. It’s gotten better. Our Google reviews have gone up and our Airbnb and all of our reviews have been better because of that. Greg Emert: Yeah, you offer an authentic experience. That’s what it is. It’s authentically you because you’re not, you’re not selling camping. You’re not selling, you’re really selling yourself. And that’s, that’s something that takes folks a while to figure out. Gordon, I think you were trying to, uh, to share something with us. Gordon Cook: Add to that, you know, uh, look, look, pull us up on Google anywhere you want to. I run a 4.9 on Google. You can’t please everybody. Greg Emert: That’s right. Gordon Cook: But, and what Chris was saying, I am a five-star place. Okay. You look at booking.com, you look at Expedia, you look at all of them. I’m at the top of the charts. We just won a commendation of the year in the state of Texas from Texas Campground Association, campground owners, from Taco. And we’re simple. We are simple. We keep it simple. When you come here, I treat you just like I would if you was anybody else. You know, it don’t matter. Me and my family, we’re just, we’re here. And you’re welcome to come, relax, have a good time, enjoy yourself. And people love that. Greg Emert: Indeed they do. Yep. Gordon Cook: And and I think that’s that seems that that’s a very common thread between all of our guests today and in fact And we did too we also did because I was just like Chris, you know, we gotta be this No, you don’t No, you don’t you just Be you and create a place that you want to go. If you create a place and you look at your own website and you’re like, damn, boy, I’d like to go stay there. Greg Emert: Then you’ve got it. Gordon Cook: Then you’re going to attract like-minded people. And you’re not going to have, you know, when we started this, I heard all kinds of horror stories about people. They do this, they do that, they’ll trash this, they tear that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was scared to death. I was, man, how are we going to do security? But we built the place that we, what we want, the place we had come to. We attract like-minded people like us. It’s simple. You know, our grass ain’t manicured. You can walk across our grass. It don’t matter. And you’re comfortable doing it. You know? Yeah. And just like Chris said, the big payment is when you have a family that comes out here and they throw their kid their fourth birthday party. Seven years down the road, that kid’s coming back to have its 10th, 11th, 12th birthday. Greg Emert: Because absolutely. Yeah. Because you were intentional about your authenticity, which it really comes through to the guests. And again, that’s kind of a missing puzzle piece that takes people a while to figure out. And Susan, I think you. You kind of leaned into that a little bit in the beginning when you talked about just how passionate you were. It’s very easy to see on your face and listen to your voice and hear how connected you are to that place. Did you have an aha moment like this early on where you thought, you know what, we need to build this, like the other two gentlemen here were just saying, we need to build something that we’re really going to love to come to and that way when we’re selling it it’s not so much like we’re selling we’re just telling people how we authentically feel and then they get an idea for what they’re going to get when they come here because it’s just it’s just that natural well i was lucky enough to buy this three years ago Susan Smith: And then I’ve done upgrades and kept it up. But I I love to stay here when there’s not guests here. So so you’re right. It’s like if if it’s something you like, you’re going to attract like minded people. And it’s very luxurious inside for a free bottle of champagne and this and that candles battery, of course. But then outside, it’s you know, it’s rugged. And so you have kind of both. And I think also the thing that I like is it’s only one unit. There’s no one around you. That’s what kind of makes Senya a little different is no one’s right by you. You can’t see anybody and it’s just quiet. It’s you by yourself. Before my guests come, I send them an app, some information with everything about the property, how all the appliances work, how to get here. restaurants to go to, just about everything you can imagine. So they know what to expect and then when they get here, they know how everything works. They, you know, they can call me and text me anytime, but at least they have an idea so they’re better prepared on the kind of stay they’re going to have and if they want to, you know, bring something or add something. But, um, I’ve had engagements and then couples back for their comeback for their first anniversary. And, um, I’ll never forget a couple came and they had just lost their baby. And we sat out in the garden for hours and talked and cried. yeah there’s just a spirit of connection here and it’s kind of really what it’s all about and to offer people you know a luxury glamping it’s air conditioning heated completely shut off to the outside it’s like a little house but then you can come outside and you know it’s complete nature so it’s been a blessing for me and I think everyone that comes here Greg Emert: It sounds like it. And you can, again, it’s very easy to see on your face and hear in your voice just how much you are intentional about your authenticity there, just like Chris and Gordon were talking about. And you mentioned a little bit of pre-arrival communication. And that leads me to a question that I have for Tess, because Tess, you’ve got maybe the most unique setup that I’ve ever seen or heard of. I think it’s really cool what you’re doing with the Ranchlands model. But I’ve got to imagine that you’ve got a lot of really unique things that you need to communicate to your guests before they get there, right? Yours is very unlike anything else they’re going to find. So maybe can you take us through a little bit about what you do to manage those expectations so that when they show up there, they understand what they’re getting themselves into? Tess Leach: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, it’s been a long learning curve, and just taking feedback and incorporating it, as we all do. But we do have online booking, but no booking is confirmed until we have a phone call with the guest to talk through the stay and be sure it is actually what they think it is and what they’re wanting. And that really generally sets us up for the right type of client post-relationship. And then we have a pre-arrival profile, we call it, that we send to every guest that just collects information about who they are in life, who they are physically, what they’re expecting, what they’re hoping for from the vacation. And that information is you know, as relevant and distributed with staff. And so everybody is very prepared for all 14 guests that are coming for that week. They’re given a packing list. And then we have, you know, any last minute needs, of course, on site. We’re about 45 minutes from a grocery store or gas station here. So it’s relatively isolated. So guests do need to come with what they need. And, you know, our stay is very much a nature immersion. There is not Wi-Fi. There is not even a cell signal for most of the stay. So I think the type of client that is looking for that experience, you know, is a little less fussy in terms of what they need creature comfort wise. But the tents that we have are, you know, fully outfitted with you know, curated antique bedding, furniture, down comforters. And we partnered with Filson out of Seattle to outfit all of the tents, hot showers. You know, you have all of those creature comforts in your tent, and then you just go out and have a big adventure during the day. And then the last thing is just a high percentage of our clients are returning guests. So they mostly know what to bring or tell their friends what to bring. So that really works for our benefit. Greg Emert: That’s awesome. And you’re actually a very high-touch, hands-on approach. So you’re doing some things that a lot of folks are trying to get away from right now. You’re having phone calls with your guests before you’ll even complete the booking. You don’t have the Wi-Fi. still being very successful with it. So I applaud you for that, because that is, you know, if you’re out there and you’re just reading market reports and contacting other glamping properties, they might tell you, oh, you can’t do without the Wi-Fi, you have to have it for extended stays. Well, all of your stays are extended. So you’ve done it by creating the experience that they want, right? And That phone call, tell us a little bit about that. It almost sounds like it might be sort of an interview for your customers pre-booking to make sure that they’re on board. Does that sound like a decent description? Tess Leach: It is similar to that, yeah. Some of our stays are very high up in the mountains and in the back country where if a guest gets hurt, they have to be medevaced via helicopter. reassurance from them that they are, you know, in physical condition to do this trip. And they acknowledge that that is the reality of, you know, getting hurt could happen on a horse based vacation. You know, it’s for us, we have a person dedicated to taking bookings over the phone and following up with online bookings. ensuring that that pre-arrival document comes in as it needs to, and then doing the follow-up contact as well. So, yeah, I mean it is a whole person dedicated to that, but for us it’s been really important to have that human element with our guests. Greg Emert: Absolutely. Nothing more important than managing those expectations. And that starts with your your marketing and advertising goes all the way through to when your guests depart. Right. And Angel, I would imagine that you also have some of these similar not struggles, but challenges, right? Because you, even though you’re close to town, you’re really embracing nature. And as I said, I did that with my campground and I certainly had lots of guests who were really into it. And then I’d have other ones that would, you know, see a mosquito or something and jump on their picnic table and freak out and, or a raccoon goes through their site and they think it’s gonna, you know, eat their children or something. And it’s like, well, you try to explain, but this is part of the experience that you came out here for, right? So, Do you ever have any issues with that? And if so, how do you manage those expectations to sort of inform people that, well, we’re going to embrace this stuff, folks. We’re not going to make this a sterile environment for you. We want you to see these animals and be one with nature for a little while while you stay with us. Angele Miller: Yes, you know, that’s a really good point. And for us, luckily, like from all the years we’ve been in operation and we’ve opened, we’ve only had one person that’s ever had an issue with bugs, you know, kind of being around. But obviously, that, you know, that’s part of nature. And like, we’ve heard on this, on this, this call is that you can’t really make everybody happy. You know, there’s always that one person that may come that have a situation or may not kind of be surprised by that. But overall for us, we’ve never really had an issue with that. People know when they book, they’re booking to go glamping. So they know it’s a form of elevated camping that they can, you know, be prepared that they are going in nature and You know, and a lot of people that come, they love camping. We’re really like where I am in Atlantic Canada, there’s a lot of rural communities. So people are used to being in the country and kind of have a bit of those experience. So I think that’s kind of been a big thing. But for us, what I found really challenging, and maybe that’s a Canada thing because we have colder weather right out here. But the hot tubs for us, that was a must. You know, we had to have private hot tubs at every accommodation. 90% of people that called here were asking if we had a hot tub. That was really a big deciding factor. So when people went glamping, the expectations out here have really high expectat want to if you’re enjoyi your nature, they’re asso the hot, the high end barb So we had to put all those things there. And, you know, and there’s also like, you know, as the hospitality, the outdoor hospitality has really grown and evolved. And I found so much for us here in the Eastern part of Canada since COVID, you know, when COVID happened and people start traveling and traveling overseas or an all-inclusive resort, the parks, Like even a national parks in Canada has seen such an increase in numbers of people going outdoor that want to go camping and have those outdoor experience. So it’s really grown really big in my region. you know it went from no glamping resort to over 50 resort now in a small province that has under 1 million in population so it just shows but as people as the industry grows and evolves everybody’s trying to elevate those experiences in nature. So the expectations of customers get higher and higher all the time. So, you know, and so for us, it’s been a big thing and a challenge to really keep up with those expectations and always keep elevating that experience, you know, so. But the hot tub was a must, you know, and we, you know, so we’ve included hot tubs at every accommodation, the green egg barbecue, but also the expectation of the local food, like we really focus on local. For us, we’re really big on local and the local farms and local artisans. So we do a lot of co-partnership and we do a lot of food deliveries package. We do private oyster chucking because we have a lot of oyster farm here as well. So we bring someone to do private oyster chucking right at your dome and our accommodation. But it’s really been something that we’ve really had to work hard as a team to keep that and really listen to the customers, listen to what they’re looking for, what they want, and really try to keep innovating and really keep making sure that everybody has, you know, a wonderful experience. Greg Emert: Yeah, that’s excellent. And I think what’s really unique about outdoor hospitality, and I’m sure other industries too, but this is the one I know, so we’re going to talk about this one, right, is that There are, so we’ve got a panel of what we have five of you here today. You’re all five in the same industry. The five of you have five different approaches. Uh, Angel is chasing a very high end user experience. Gordon has said, Hey, my place is simple and that’s how I like it. Chris has his way of doing it. Everybody has their own way of doing it. You’re all successful at what you do. So for folks out there watching really important thing to take away from this is there is no one way to do it right there’s no but but watch shows like this contact these folks after the show is over everybody’s so happy to share what they’ve learned it’s such an open industry and you can find a hundred different ways to do it the most important part is just finding the way that resonates for you and with your guests and then making that work and that’s that’s where the joy comes from Um, and the success. So I think we’re down to, we’re down to about four minutes left. So I want to go through, we’re going to go rapid fire. We got a minute, less than a minute for each of you. We’re going to go through the list and just find out what you got coming up and whether or not Gordon, we’re going to start with you, Gordon, are you going to be going to the glamping show here at the, uh, in the beginning of September? And if, uh, beginning of October, sorry, beginning of September would require a time machine. And if so, uh, is there anything in particular you want to see? Gordon Cook: No, I’m not gonna be able to make the show this year. Unfortunately, our calendar is just so booked. We got a big motorcycle rally, Rumble on the River, here the last weekend of September, and we gotta start getting ready for Halloween. I’ve come out with my own beard products. All right. Some beard shows. We got a full schedule. Greg Emert: That’s awesome, Gordon. Gordon Cook: We really wanted to come to the Glamping Show this year, but we’re gonna have to pass it. But I would like to say this, real quick, what you said a while ago about building your campground, what we’ve done, me and my wife, we travel a lot. We picked out five things that we like about campgrounds, and that’s what we based our building our campground on, those five things. Greg Emert: And that really fast, what were they? One, two, three, four, five. Gordon Cook: The bed, clean place to stay, a big, nice, hot shower, a big pavilion, swimming pool to hang out and enjoy each other’s company and barbecue, cook and eat, and nature. Greg Emert: Now, you know that’s more than five, but I’m gonna let you have it. That’s all right. Thank you, Gordon. I appreciate you sharing that and test. How about you? Are you gonna be headed to the are you gonna be heading to the glamping show? Tess Leach: And if so, you got anything in particular you’re looking forward to seeing Not no, we’re not heading to the show Unfortunately, but In terms of what’s upcoming for us We have a book that we just published with Rizzoli It’s called ranch lands. That’ll be launching October 16th We’re gonna do a big tour Around the coast and in parts of Europe with that and a launch big launch party here at the ranch and we are one of the it didn’t really talk about at a time, but we do a lot of content around ranching and You know that is a marketing piece in many ways, but also an education initiative And that is all going to be moved under a nonprofit for us called the ranch lands collective Um, that is going to be rolled out here, right when the book launches. So those are two things upcoming for us. Greg Emert: And that is wonderful. Obviously very near and dear to your heart and really fast. Where can folks find your book? Tess Leach: ranchlands.com will be available on our website or in any, any bookstore anywhere. Greg Emert: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you for sharing on gel really fast. Are you going to be heading to the glamping show? Somebody please say yes Okay, even if you’re not going to be going with somebody just please humor me and say yes. Chris Jeub: Yes, I’ll be there, but I’m neck Angele Miller: I’m not going to be, unfortunately. I would love to be though, definitely something for me to look forward to in the near future, definitely like a place I’d like to be. But yeah, so no, for me, what I’ll say is, you know, there’s so many, you know, the outdoor hospitality industry is growing and it’s so nice to see so many great experiences, you know, featuring from Ranchland, you know, into just nature experiences, you know, all across North America and all over the world. And for me here at Creekside, one of the things we’ve been doing quickly is we’re franchising. We’re franchising our model of glamping resort as well. So if anybody ever wants to learn about what we’re doing, you can look at rnrglamping.com as well. Greg Emert: Awesome. Thank you, Angel. Thank you so much for being here. And we’re a little over. So Susan, I apologize, but you’ve got to go. I can’t even work the screen anymore. Susan, are you going to be at the glamping show? Oh, I think I lost sound. I don’t know if you guys can hear Susan, but I cannot. Susan Smith: Can’t hear you, Susan. I took it off because the wind is so- There you are. No, I can’t. I wish I could. I’ve got some personal stuff coming up. But next year, I’ll be there next year. All right. And we’re just getting ready for the cool weather in Texas. Greg Emert: Awesome. Well, thank you for being on the show today. Thanks for having me. And maybe we’ll catch you next time. And now, rounding it out with someone- I will be at the glamping show. Yes, I will be there alone. Chris Jeub: I will be there as well, Chris. In fact, I’m one of the speakers. I’m speaking for the glamping show, American Glamping Association, but also for the White Duck Tent. They have a little display that they are going to have me there, so I’ll be talking the thing. I live only an hour away, so I don’t know why all you ain’t going, but I actually commute. It’s very, very simple for me to get up there, and it’s quite the show. I’ll be doing a little recap on Glamping Guy of the show. I’ve got some big plans for connecting with the American Glamping Association, talking them up and helping spread the word about how awesome glamping is. Greg Emert: Indeed it is. And thank you for being here today, Chris. And I look forward to seeing you. I’ll get to meet you face to face at the show in a couple of weeks. And we are a little over, so we’re going to call it for today, folks. But thank you for being here for this, for today’s MC Fireside Chats. Again, brought to you by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. And I had, I’m, I am. Completely I’m sweating and because I get nervous doing this does my first time hosting Hopefully Brian doesn’t wield his axe and chop me and I get to do this again because I really enjoyed the conversation We promoted the sponsor a heck of a lot more than Brian ever has so that’s awesome horizon way to go horizon I’m watching my I’m watching my app and I’m not seeing any dollars come through yet But I’m hoping that maybe there that you know, there’s a kickback involved so anyway, thank you everyone for tuning in today and thank you all for joining us and Have a great day and yeah, go glamping industry, right? It’s just, it’s great. Tess Leach: Thanks guys for being here. SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us for this episode of MC Fireside Chats. With your host, Brian Searle. Have a suggestion for a show idea? Want your campground or company in a future episode? Email us at hello at moderncampground.com. Get your daily dose of news from moderncampground.com. 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September 4, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 4th, 2024 

In the September 4th, 2024 edition of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Mark Koep filled in for Brian Searl and welcomed a panel of outdoor hospitality experts, including Jeff Hoffman, Sandy Ellingson, Scott Bahr, Mike Harrison, and special guest Luisana Méndez from Huellas Latinas. The episode explored key topics in the outdoor hospitality industry and community engagement. Luisana Méndez, the leader of Huellas Latinas, a Minnesota-based nonprofit, shared how her organization promotes outdoor activities within the Latino community. Huellas Latinas helps immigrants and refugees overcome language barriers, transportation issues, and lack of information to experience outdoor recreation. Luisana noted that many newcomers to the U.S. prioritize work and education initially, with recreation often falling to the background. As they settle in, Huellas Latinas helps them find confidence in outdoor activities by offering guidance on navigating parks, safety, and proper gear, especially for Minnesota’s cold winters. Luisana emphasized that Huellas Latinas primarily serves the first generation of immigrants from various Latin American countries. While they all share a common language, cultural differences add complexity to the group’s dynamic. Mark Koep inquired about funding, and Luisana shared that Huellas Latinas is supported by contracts with parks and agencies, along with grants like the one received from Together Outdoors. She also highlighted the importance of the organization in creating a sense of belonging for the Latino community through outdoor experiences. The conversation transitioned to industry trends, where Sandy Ellingson discussed concerns over a projected 55% drop in RV travel during Labor Day weekend, based on RV Industry Association data. Although some parks had successful weekends, there was a significant decline in bookings for the fall season, especially with snowbirds delaying their travel due to election-related anxieties. Mike Harrison echoed this, saying that while their luxury RV and glamping properties performed well, the overall industry is facing slower growth compared to previous years. Scott Bahr highlighted a growing disconnect between outdoor recreation enthusiasts and campground stays. He noted an increase in trail usage, yet campgrounds aren’t seeing proportional growth. This gap, according to Scott, represents a key opportunity for the outdoor hospitality industry to better engage with this group, perhaps through more strategic marketing. Mike and Jeff Hoffman discussed broader market conditions, with Mike pointing out a potential oversupply of parks built during the pandemic. He stressed the importance of maintaining good operations, as only the well-run parks will thrive as the market slows. Jeff predicted a shakeout in the industry, where those relying on overinflated demand may struggle. The group also touched on the growing glamping trend ahead of the glamping show. Scott and Mike expressed enthusiasm for the event, where they’ll present industry insights. Sandy, while a fan of glamping, warned that it’s becoming a competitor to traditional campgrounds, as travelers are often choosing the convenience of glamping over RV or tent camping. The session concluded with a forward-looking discussion, with panelists predicting challenges and opportunities in the coming months, including industry shifts and trends in winter camping. Overall, the episode highlighted both concerns, such as slowing RV travel, and opportunities for growth, especially in reaching new and diverse communities through innovative outreach.
August 28, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – August 28th, 2024

The August 28th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, featured an engaging discussion with four industry experts: Eleonore Hamm, Mark Fawcett, Andrea Pierantozzi, and Aaron Pfadt. The episode focused on various aspects of the RV, boating, and outdoor hospitality industries, providing valuable insights and perspectives. Eleonore Hamm introduced herself as the President of the RV Dealers Association of Canada (RVDA), highlighting the association’s role in representing nearly 400 RV dealers across Canada. She emphasized the importance of education, government relations, and industry intelligence in supporting the RV industry. Mark Fawcett, representing Earth Cruiser Australia, detailed his company’s manufacturing of high-end, off-road motorhomes designed for remote, off-grid adventures. He discussed the challenges and innovations in producing vehicles that are lightweight, durable, and capable of navigating extreme environments. Mark also shared stories of Earth Cruiser’s commitment to customer service, including providing support in remote locations. Andrea Pierantozzi from the Recreational Boating Association of Washington (RBAW) talked about her role in advocating for the rights and interests of recreational boaters. She explained the association’s efforts in ensuring that tax dollars are properly allocated to maintain and improve boating facilities and access, drawing parallels between the needs of boaters and RVers. Aaron Pfadt, founder of Off Highway Van, discussed his company’s focus on manufacturing high-quality, customizable Class B RVs. He highlighted the importance of direct-to-consumer sales and the challenges of maintaining high standards in a competitive market. Aaron also touched on the crossover between the RV and boating industries, particularly in the adoption of advanced technologies and customer service practices. Throughout the episode, the speakers explored the synergies between the RV and boating industries, particularly in the areas of customer service, technological innovation, and the need for adequate facilities and infrastructure. They also discussed the challenges posed by economic conditions and the strategies their respective organizations are employing to navigate these challenges. The episode concluded with each guest sharing where viewers can learn more about their respective organizations, and Brian announcing that he will be away for the next two weeks, with guest hosts stepping in during his absence.
August 14, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – August 14th, 2024

In the August 14th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic discussion unfolded around the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on the glamping sector. The episode featured a panel of industry experts including Chris Jeub, Angele Miller, Derry Green, Miguel Huerta, and Zach Stoltenberg, each bringing unique perspectives and insights on how to succeed in this rapidly growing market. Angele Miller, co-founder of Creekside RNR Glamping, spoke about her award-winning resort in Atlantic Canada and its expansion across Canada and the United States. She highlighted the importance of branding and creating distinctive guest experiences that set her glamping sites apart from others. Angele discussed the strategies her company employs to attract a diverse clientele and how they plan to scale their brand while maintaining the quality and uniqueness of each location. Zach Stoltenberg, Director of Outdoor Hospitality at Clockwork, an architecture firm, provided insights into the architectural side of glamping. He discussed the importance of design in creating memorable experiences for guests, emphasizing that the physical environment plays a crucial role in guest satisfaction. Zach also shared how his firm has adapted to the unique demands of glamping projects, which often require innovative and sustainable design solutions to meet the expectations of discerning travelers. Chris Jeub, who operates Monument Glamping in Colorado, talked about his journey into the glamping industry and how he has built his brand by connecting with other operators. Chris emphasized the importance of being adaptable and open to learning from others in the industry. He shared how his brand evolved over time, from a simple backyard setup to a recognized glamping destination, highlighting the value of hands-on experience and continuous improvement. Miguel Huerta, President of the Mexican Glamping Association, offered a perspective from Latin America, discussing the growth of the glamping industry in Mexico. He spoke about how the region’s natural beauty and diverse landscapes provide a unique opportunity for glamping operators. Miguel emphasized the role of social media in marketing these experiences, noting that effective use of platforms like Instagram and TikTok can significantly boost visibility and bookings for glamping sites. Derry Green, owner of The Secret Garden Glamping in the UK, shared his inspiring story of how he turned a simple lockdown project into one of the most successful glamping businesses in the country. Derry highlighted the importance of authenticity in social media marketing, explaining that content reflecting the genuine guest experience resonates more with audiences than polished promotional materials. He also discussed his innovative approach to using TikTok as a testing ground for content, which he then amplifies on other platforms like Facebook and Instagram to reach a broader audience. The conversation delved into the challenges of attracting guests during off-peak times, with Derry explaining how he targets specific demographics, such as women between the ages of 35 and 45, to fill midweek bookings. He discussed the importance of designing glamping units that can accommodate groups, as this flexibility helps to attract a wider range of guests, including families and multigenerational groups. Miguel added to the discussion by talking about the importance of setting and meeting guest expectations. He explained that in the glamping industry, providing an exceptional experience is key to success, as guests are looking for more than just accommodation—they are seeking unique and memorable experiences. Miguel also shared his vision for the future of glamping in Latin America, where he sees significant potential for growth as more travelers seek out alternative forms of accommodation. Throughout the discussion, the panelists agreed on the necessity of continuous innovation in the glamping industry. They emphasized that staying ahead of trends and being responsive to guest feedback are essential for long-term success. The importance of social media as a tool for building brand awareness and driving bookings was a recurring theme, with all the speakers acknowledging that platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook are indispensable in today’s marketing landscape. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterated the value of collaboration within the industry, encouraging glamping operators to share knowledge and support each other. He highlighted that by working together, the industry can continue to grow and provide exceptional experiences for guests. Each speaker echoed this sentiment, expressing their willingness to help others in the industry and to continue learning from their peers. The episode concluded with a strong sense of optimism about the future of glamping. The panelists expressed their excitement about the possibilities ahead and their commitment to pushing the boundaries of what outdoor hospitality can offer. They all agreed that the industry’s focus on unique, personalized experiences will continue to attract a growing number of travelers seeking something different from traditional accommodation options.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by Zach.
October 11, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 11th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, brought to you by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks is joined by Zach Stoltenberg from Clockwork, Ansh Singh from Quaint Glamping, and Chris Jeub from Monument Glamping. Zach Stoltenberg from Clockwork shared his journey, detailing the complexities he faced while securing permits. Despite a year’s delay, he expressed optimism for the coming winter, with a strong emphasis on his background in town council and planning boards, which informed his approach. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping, narrated his experiences with a project in Colorado Springs. He faced numerous challenges, especially with zoning and regulatory aspects. However, with Zach’s expertise, these issues were resolved, underscoring the significance of hiring the right expertise and collaboration. An interesting dynamic of the industry, discussed at length, was the difference between narrow vendors and expansive service providers. While both have their roles, the consensus was that expansive service providers often have an edge due to their comprehensive approach. Ansh Singh, the proprietor of Quaint Glamping, added to this narrative by emphasizing the need for patience and diligence. His experiences resonated with the others, especially regarding regulatory challenges. Zach’s unique approach to navigating the challenges of the industry drew praise from the participants. They acknowledged his meticulous attention to detail and profound understanding of local regulations. Anecdotes about his work showcased his knack for finding innovative solutions in intricate situations. A recent glamping show served as a backdrop for much of the discussion, with attendees lauding their experiences there. The show emerged as a vital platform for networking and interacting with both narrow and expansive vendors. Despite the optimistic undertones of the conversation, the speakers did not shy away from discussing the daunting aspects of the industry. The time-consuming nature of establishing glamping businesses, especially with regulatory requirements, was a shared concern. Yet, all agreed that perseverance and collaboration were the keys to success. The conversation culminated in emphasizing the importance of networking. Such events and connections not only open doors for business opportunities but also pave the way for knowledge sharing and collective growth. Brian Searl rounded off the session on a hopeful note, reflecting on the growth and potential of the glamping industry. The collective sentiment was optimistic, with all participants eager to play their part in the industry’s bright future.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were journeyed by October 4th,2023.
October 4, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 4th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, broadcast live from Glamping Show Americas, host Brian Searl delved into the surge in popularity of glamping. The show convened a gathering of experts to shed light on its trajectory and the challenges ahead. This episode, presented by Fireside Accounting, offered diverse perspectives on the current state of glamping and its future potential. Brian Searl introduced the central theme: the transformation of outdoor experiences, particularly in the context of a world recovering from the pandemic. Searl’s emphasis was clear – the industry must continually reinvent itself, not just to survive, but to thrive in an increasingly competitive market. Sandy Ellingson, with her background in the RV sector, provided a fascinating take on the intersection of RVs and glamping. She proposed that as these two industries increasingly overlap, collaboration could prove to be a winning strategy. By sharing resources, knowledge, and market insights, both sectors could benefit immensely. Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality dived deep into operational considerations. He painted a vivid picture of the day-to-day challenges of managing glamping sites. From quality control to optimizing guest experiences, Harrison believes that operational efficiency remains the backbone of any successful glamping business. From a legislative standpoint, Cara Csizmadia of CCRVC elucidated on the regulatory maze the industry often finds itself navigating. She stressed that to effectively address policy hurdles and zoning challenges, the industry needs a consolidated and unified front, advocating for its interests. Design and aesthetics, crucial elements of the glamping experience, were eloquently covered by Zach Stoltenberg from Clockwork. He opined that glamping is not just about luxury; it’s about creating a harmonious blend of comfort and a genuine, immersive nature experience. The design ethos, according to him, should revolve around sustainability and authenticity. Zook Cabin’s Melissa Meshey shifted the focus to marketing strategies. She spoke passionately about crafting narratives that resonate with potential clients, sharing the myriad experiences glamping can bring, from starlit dinners to serene mornings amidst nature. Representing the product side of things, Joanna Reimann from Fdomes focused on the tangible aspects. For her, product longevity, innovative design, and the ability of these structures to enhance the overall guest experience are paramount. The digital era’s impact on glamping was explored by Candice McNamara of Staylist. She delved into the evolving dynamics of customer behavior, emphasizing the significance of data analytics, user-friendly online interfaces, and the absolute necessity for glamping businesses to have a robust online footprint. Jacob Barbati, an investment professional, shared that he was notably impressed by the vast range of products and how vendors tailored their offerings to meet ROI expectations, aligning with his investment background. Jacob highlighted the industry’s enthusiasm and the business-centric approach of its participants. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping highlighted challenges with local government regulations, particularly the building department, which is trying to enforce commercial standards on his glamping structures like tents, domes, and container homes. Chris believes that the world is slowly recognizing the glamping industry, and he sees it as the most exciting space in real estate, with many people showing interest in establishing glamping sites.. Rounding up the discussion, Sinan Halic from Ekodome merged the concepts of sustainability and design. He passionately argued that as the world becomes more ecologically conscious, glamping needs to lead the charge by ensuring its offerings are sustainable, both in design and operation. In wrapping up, the consensus was evident. While the horizon looks promising for the glamping industry, its journey forward must be marked by innovation, collaboration, and an unwavering commitment to excellence.
September 27, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 27th, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl delves into the intricacies of the RV industry and outdoor recreation. As some regular guests attend an event in Elkhart, Indiana, Brian is accompanied by Eleonore Hamm, a recurring guest, and special attendees Patrick Botticelli and Mark Harling. Eleonore underscores the significance of the Elkhart event, where manufacturers present their 2024 models. She anticipates the introduction of innovative products from emerging manufacturers and also brings attention to an upcoming convention in Vegas. Patrick introduces his YouTube channel, “New Jersey Outdoor Adventure.” Initially focusing on mountain biking and New Jersey’s history, the channel shifted to RV tours, especially personal RV setups. Now, it primarily highlights van builds and local builders. Mark discusses the inception of Bean Trailer in 2017, identifying a market gap for off-road teardrop trailers. Their popular model, the Black Bean, is designed for off-roading, emphasizing features like air suspension and custom trailing arms. Mark stresses the importance of ergonomics in trailer design, aiming for durability and comfort. The Hershey show in Pennsylvania becomes a focal point, where manufacturers unveil new floor plans and decors. Patrick notes the show’s success, with a slight dip in attendance initially but a quick recovery. He emphasizes the launch of several new models and the immediate availability of RVs for customers due to full dealer inventory. Eleonore Hamm, representing the dealer’s viewpoint, suggests that dealers can use various tools and reports to analyze market trends and adjust their inventory accordingly. She also mentions the increasing focus on sustainability and electrification in the RV industry due to consumer demand and government regulations. Mark touches upon the future direction of Bean Trailer. He observes that their most luxurious trailers are selling best and plans to expand in that direction. He challenges the perception that luxury can’t be compact, seeing potential in both high-end and value-oriented trailers. Patrick emphasizes the need for a range of products to cater to diverse customer needs. He underscores the importance of brand loyalty and the necessity for manufacturers to have a unique selling proposition in a saturated market. The panelists discuss the shift towards luxury camping experiences and off-grid adventures. They observe a squeeze in the middle market, emphasizing the need for manufacturers to adapt to changing consumer preferences. Mark highlights the challenges faced by custom off-road trailer manufacturers compared to standard RVs. He believes in the advantages of being factory direct, a sentiment Patrick echoes, citing successful examples from the industry. The episode delves deep into the RV industry’s standards. Mark expresses reservations about the RVIA standard, viewing it as a minimal benchmark. However, Patrick and Eleonore defend the standard, emphasizing its role in ensuring consumer safety and peace of mind. The episode wraps up with a nod to the future, mentioning the next episode to be broadcasted live from the glamping show in Denver, Colorado. The panelists agree on the evolving nature of the RV and camping industry, emphasizing the need for businesses to innovate and adapt.
On September 20th, 2023, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Jennifer Scott as our guest for this week's rescue conversation.
September 20, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 20th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searle of Insider Perks, industry luminaries convened to dive into the rapidly shifting camping trends. Among the standout contributors was Amy Bashor, who introduced “Standing Pines,” an upscale RV resort destined to become a hallmark destination in Hartsville, South Carolina by 2024. Her ambitious project, with its promise of a luxury camping experience, indicates the direction in which the industry might be heading. Joe Duemig discussed the features of “App My Community”, shedding light on the benefits of specialized campground apps. Whitney Scott of KOA shared compelling data that reflected emerging camping behaviors, highlighting a KOA report showing 73% camper activity during Labor Day and an increasing preference for winter camping. Scott Janney then presented “Magazine Jukebox,” a cutting-edge digital entertainment platform tailor-made for commercial venues, blending video games, magazines, and trivia, all effortlessly accessible via a QR code scan. Candice McNamara showcased “Staylist”, a property management software that guarantees seamless integration across diverse platforms. She further enhanced her contribution by sharing personal anecdotes from her RV adventures during her tenure at Amazon. A salient part of the dialogue centered on the KOA report, which underscored the impacts of unpredictable weather events like wildfires and hurricanes on traditional camping bookings. The trend indicates campers’ growing tendency towards last-minute bookings in light of the unpredictable climate shifts. Brian shared his personal brushes with wildfires in Lake Shuswap, BC, underscoring the importance of adaptability in booking frameworks. Candace, with her insights, proposed potential software solutions for such climate-driven challenges, emphasizing options like weather-specific insurance and the need for clear, flexible cancellation policies. Recognizing opportunities amidst adversity, it was highlighted how campgrounds can serve communities post-disasters, such as by accommodating emergency workers. With occurrences like California wildfires, previously seen as localized issues, now emerging as more widespread concerns, campgrounds are increasingly devising expansive emergency response strategies. Scott Janney further elucidated the relevance of “Magazine Jukebox” in campgrounds. Catering to diverse age groups, the platform ensures an uninterrupted reading experience, especially beneficial during uncooperative weather conditions. The platform has been received warmly, with feedback suggesting it significantly elevates the guest experience, offering campgrounds an added advantage. In conclusion, the camping industry is undergoing a profound transformation, driven by innovative ventures, shifting climate patterns, and evolving customer preferences. These insightful discussions on MC Fireside Chats underscore the industry’s resilience, adaptability, and commitment to continually enhancing the camping experience for enthusiasts worldwide.
On September 13th, 2023, we were joined by Jonnie for the MC Fireside Chats.
September 13, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 13th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, Cara Csizmadia rejoined as a guest host. She led a panel that included special guests Richard Cherry, owner of Cherry Glamping, and Alexander Allred, owner of Blueridge Glamping. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, founder of the American Glamping Association, and Zach Stoltenberg, Glamping and RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, were also present. Together, they delved deep into the nuances of the glamping industry, focusing on sustainability and the integration of technology. The conversation initiated with a focus on the foundational role of sustainability in the glamping industry. The panelists, including Ruben Martinez and Alexander Allred, shared their firsthand experiences, highlighting the high costs and complexities involved in setting up renewable energy sources and aligning sustainability with customer expectations. Richard Cherry emphasized the hidden costs associated with infrastructure development, including sewage and power systems, advising prospective business owners to be realistic in their budgeting. As the discussion progressed, the panelists, including Ruben and Zach, noted a trend towards “shovel-ready” projects to mitigate the risk of delays, emphasizing the importance of setting a realistic opening date to ensure completion. They shared insights on the current investment climate, highlighting a heightened sensitivity to the time taken from the inception to the first booking, a factor becoming increasingly critical in investment decisions. Zach Stoltenberg brought a fresh perspective, encouraging businesses to start with small sustainable choices that can enhance the guest experience while being eco-friendly. He mentioned the evolving industry standards and certifications that can help resorts market themselves as sustainable, adding value to their brand. He also introduced the concept of dark skies compliance as a new classification in the industry, emphasizing the need to start somewhere in the journey towards sustainability. Towards the end of the discussion, Zach shared an exciting development about a potential collaboration with a software company to develop a platform for managing various aspects of a glamping site remotely, enhancing both sustainability and the guest experience. This technology aims to integrate with existing booking software to automate various processes, such as setting key codes and controlling the thermostat based on booking schedules, promising a future where technology significantly aids operational efficiency. As the conversation wound down, there was a light-hearted discussion about the upcoming Glamping Show, with Richard Cherry humorously suggesting bringing zebras as a unique attraction. Despite the confirmation of absence from some panelists, including Alexander Allred and Richard, for the event, there was a shared hope for future meetings and a continuous evolution of the industry. Throughout the conversation, the panelists shared rich insights drawn from their experiences, painting a picture of an industry at the crossroads of tradition and modernity, grappling with the challenges of sustainability while eager to embrace technological advancements to enhance operational efficiency and guest experience. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the glamping industry, characterized by a constant balancing act between sustainability, luxury, and profitability.
This week's MC Fireside Chats were graced by the presence of Joan Martin.
August 30, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – August 30th, 2023

The recent episode of MC Fireside Chats featured a dynamic discussion with several prominent figures in the camping and RV industry for its multisector discussion. Brian Searl, the host, led the conversation with guests Jason Whiting, President of Pentor Recreation; Nicholas Denaro, Owner of The Ridge Campground; and Scott Hubble, CEO of nuCamp RV. The discussion began with Jason Whiting sharing his insights into the current trends and challenges faced by the camping and recreation industry. He highlighted the impact of the pandemic on outdoor recreation and discussed how Pentor Recreation is adapting to the new normal. Nicholas Denaro, who owns The Ridge Campground, shared his experiences in managing a campground during these challenging times. He discussed the importance of creating a safe and enjoyable environment for campers while also addressing the operational challenges posed by the pandemic. Scott Hubble, CEO of nuCamp RV, shared his perspective from the RV manufacturing side of the industry. He discussed the surge in demand for RVs during the pandemic and how nuCamp RV has adjusted its production and operations to meet this demand. He also touched on the challenges faced by RV manufacturers in sourcing materials and components due to supply chain disruptions. Throughout the podcast, the guests shared their thoughts on the future of camping and RV travel. There was a consensus that the popularity of outdoor recreation and RV travel is likely to continue in the post-pandemic world. However, there are challenges that need to be addressed, such as the need for more campgrounds and improved infrastructure to accommodate the increasing number of RV travelers. The discussion also touched on the importance of technology in the camping and RV industry. The guests agreed that technology plays a crucial role in improving the camping experience for travelers and in helping campground owners and RV manufacturers to operate more efficiently. Overall, the podcast provided valuable insights into the current state of the camping and RV industry, as well as a look ahead to its future. The guests shared their experiences and perspectives on the challenges and opportunities facing the industry, and offered their thoughts on how campground owners, RV manufacturers, and others in the industry can navigate these challenges and thrive in the post-pandemic world.
This week's episode of MC Fireside Chats.
August 23, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 23rd, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brought together a panel of experts from the RV industry to discuss various trends and insights. The panel included recurring guests Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA Special guests Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator, and Jeremy Greene from RVIA also joined the episode. Shane Devenish from CRVA highlighted the importance of understanding the consumer’s perspective. He emphasized that while the industry has its terminologies, it’s crucial to align with the language consumers use, especially when they’re searching online. Phil Ingrassia from RVDA touched upon the changing dynamics of the RV market. He discussed how the industry’s terminology might not always resonate with the consumers, especially those new to RVing. The key is to bridge the gap between industry jargon and consumer language. Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator brought a unique perspective to the table. He discussed his business model, which offers a different niche in the RV market. Deryle emphasized the importance of understanding customer needs and adapting accordingly. Jeremy Greene from RVIA emphasized the importance of understanding and adapting to the terminology that consumers use when searching for RVs online. He pointed out that while the industry has specific terms, consumers might use different or colloquial terms. Jeremy highlighted a specific example: while the industry might refer to certain vehicles as “type B motorhomes,” consumers might search for “van campers.” This trend underscores the importance of aligning industry language with consumer search habits. Another significant trend Jeremy touched upon is the increasing number of people looking to work from the road. This shift in work culture has implications for the RV industry, especially in terms of the amenities and facilities they offer. Delving deeper into this trend, Jeremy shared that a recent survey showed that 19% of respondents have worked from an RV in the last 24 months. Furthermore, almost 30% are considering doing it in the next year. This trend towards remote work from RVs indicates a need for these vehicles to be better equipped for work. This includes having dedicated office spaces and the necessary amenities to facilitate remote work, ensuring a seamless work experience for users. Throughout the discussion, the importance of data in understanding consumer behavior and trends was evident. Jeremy’s insights, backed by surveys and research, provided a clearer picture of where the industry is headed. The panel discussion underscored the need for the RV industry to be agile and responsive to changing consumer behaviors. Whether it’s adapting to new terminologies or equipping RVs for remote work, staying ahead of trends is crucial. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided valuable insights into the RV industry’s future, with each speaker bringing their unique perspective. As the industry continues to evolve, such discussions become essential in navigating the road ahead.
August 16, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 16th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, a lively discussion unfolded around the topic of family preferences at resorts and campgrounds. Host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Joe Duemig from App My Community and Sean Vidrine from Four Points RV Resorts, and special guest Lee Anne Miracle from Tiger Trail RV Resort , each bringing their unique perspectives to the table. Joe Duemig began by emphasizing the importance of amenities in attracting families to resorts. He shared personal anecdotes about how his children are particularly drawn to resorts that offer features like lazy rivers, swimming pools, and fun water slides. Joe recounted a memorable visit to the Jellystone in Pittsfield, highlighting how such amenities make certain resorts more memorable for children and increase the likelihood of return visits. Sean Vidrine, who manages the Jellystone in Pittsfield, chimed in with details about the park’s vast array of water equipment. He proudly mentioned the recent additions to the park, including two large water slides and jumping pillows. Sean also delved into the strategic aspect of park management, discussing the balance between expanding amenities and increasing the number of sites and cabins. He emphasized the importance of analyzing demand and ensuring that amenities cater to the needs of the guests. Lee Anne Miracle introduced the upcoming Tiger Trails RV Resort, slated to open on September 1st. She explained the inspiration behind the resort’s name, drawing a connection to the local sports team’s mascot, the Tigers. Lee Anne’s enthusiasm for the new resort was palpable, and she extended an invitation to Joe and his family to experience the amenities firsthand. The conversation then shifted to the concept of day-use offerings. Sean elaborated on how parks could generate additional revenue by allowing non-staying visitors to use their amenities for a fee. He mentioned that such offerings are market-specific and need to be balanced to ensure that they don’t impact the experience of staying guests. Joe appreciated the idea of day-use offerings, especially during off-peak days. He shared insights from another customer in Louisiana who successfully implemented a day-use program, allowing locals to enjoy the park’s amenities during specific time slots. The panel also touched upon the power of word-of-mouth marketing. Joe emphasized how positive experiences at campgrounds can lead to long-term brand loyalty, with families recommending the resorts to friends and relatives. As the discussion neared its end, Brian highlighted the importance of understanding guest preferences and continuously evolving to meet their needs. He expressed interest in revisiting the topic in the future to gauge the progress of the discussed strategies. In conclusion, the episode of MC Fireside Chats provided valuable insights into the world of resorts and campgrounds. The shared experiences and strategies underscored the importance of guest-centric amenities and the potential for innovative revenue streams.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by Zach on August 9th, 2023.
August 9, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 9th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, the transformative journeys within the glamping universe took center stage. Sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, the episode began with a fresh introduction, showcasing the show’s commitment to bringing weekly conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts. Brian Searl expressed his enthusiasm for the new introduction, highlighting the show’s evolution and its dedication to keeping content fresh and engaging for its audience. The distinguished panel for the episode comprised industry experts and enthusiasts. Zach Stoltenberg, from Clockwork; and Connor Schwab, VP at Sage Outdoor Advisory, all shared their insights and experiences. Special attention was given to the unique stories of the episode’s special guests. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping, delved into his inspiring transition from an educator to a glamping site owner. His journey showcased the diverse paths individuals take to enter the world of glamping and the passion that drives them. Vidar Velle, the visionary founder of Nordic Glamping based in the UK, was another highlight of the show. Vidar discussed the intricacies of setting up glamping structures, emphasizing the blend of luxury and nature. He also shared enthralling tales of glamping amidst the wilderness, painting a vivid picture of the experiences guests can expect. Recurring guests, Zach from Clockwork and Connor Schwab from Sage Outdoor Hospitality, also shared updates on their projects and the latest trends in the glamping industry. Their insights provided a comprehensive look into the current state of the industry and its future trajectory. The episode was not just an exploration of glamping but also a testament to the growth and potential of the outdoor hospitality industry. With a mix of expert opinions, personal journeys, and industry insights, MC Fireside Chats continues to be a beacon for those interested in outdoor hospitality. In conclusion the episode offered a deep dive into the world of glamping. From personal journeys to industry trends, the episode provided a holistic view of the glamping universe, making it a must-watch for enthusiasts and professionals alike.
This week, on December 21st, we were joined by MC Fire Chats during our MC Fireside Chats episode.
December 21, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 21st, 2022

This year has been a rollercoaster ride for the outdoor hospitality, outdoor recreation, RV, glamping, and campground industries. While the sectors had their fair share of struggles, they also celebrated victories and accomplishments. In this year-ender episode of MC Fireside Chats, we brought back industry experts to look back and discuss learning points from this year. Industry experts Connor Schwab, Scott Knepp, Jeff Hoffman, Phil Ingrassia, Curtis Hemmeler, Rich Schnippel, and Mike Harrison talked about the state of the campground and outdoor hospitality industry in 2022 and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Jeff Hoffman, Founder of JH Consulting Solutions, reflects on how the industry fared in 2022. Phil Ingrassia, RVDA’s executive director anticipates another busy year for the industry. Ingrassia said the final numbers for 2022 aren’t done, but the data projection for RV wholesale shipments is just under 500,000–a product of the normalization of production. Curtis Hemmeler, President of RVTI, talked about the milestone the institute achieved as they continue to produce more certified RV technicians to solve the RV industry’s shortage of trained technicians and to implement metrics to track the RV customer experience. Hemmeler proudly announced that by December 31st, RVTI has added over 1,200 trained and certified technicians. Rich Schnippel, founder and president of Encore RV had seen a bright 2022 and anticipates challenges in 2023 due to economic uncertainties. Schnippel is hopeful that the economy will stabilize for the benefit of the industry. Scott Knepp, director of operations at IVEE Group shared the impact of gas prices and inflation on consumer confidence. Knepp believes the future looks bright and is hoping for normalization and stabilization in the industry. CRR Lifestyle’s Mike Harrison looked at the challenges of this year and the uncertainties of the coming year as an opportunity for park owners to innovate, pivot, and think outside the box. Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Hospitality highlighted the importance of tracking outdoor hospitality data for future park owners. Overall, the guests reflected on the challenges and successes of the campground, RV, and outdoor hospitality industries in 2022 and look forward to the potential for continued growth and innovation in 2023. They touched on topics such as the popularity of glamping, the impact of the pandemic on the RV industry, and the increasing demand for outdoor travel and experiences.
On December 14th, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
December 14, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 14th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Connor Schwab, glamping industry experts discussed how owners could utilize their properties to provide a unique experience to guests. We are joined by Boris Ryabov of Essential Steam; Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association; glamping and RV resort Design Leader Zach Stoltenberg; and John and Nancy Corcoran, the owners of Whispering Springs Wilderness Retreat. As the glamping industry becomes more competitive, Martinez highlighted the importance of having and providing unique, sustainable, and genuine experiences to guests. “It’s not just about amenities; it’s about how you [glamping owners] differentiate yourselves. How do you create a unique experience?” Martinez added. For the Corcorans, one thing they’ve learned from operating a glamping facility is not to be afraid to branch out. Nancy and John utilize Whispering Springs to generate revenue with the help of wedding events. The couple is operating a high-end glamping experience that has seen a tremendous surge in reservations in the first year. They also shared how their business doubled year over year and how they continuously improve and upgrade. Glamping and RV resort design leader Stoltenberg emphasized that glamping is an immersive guest experience and how much involvement and support it takes to provide guests with the best experience. Ryabov of Essential Steam–a communal steam specialist, talked about the guided steam experience that offers communal experience–a combination of guidance and healing that create experiences and creates an environment that helps people experience healing properties. Essential Steam, which provides resorts, retreat centers, and communities with unique and novel outdoor steam spaces, will branch out to glamping and make the outdoor regenerative experience accessible to glampers.
MC Fireside Chats this week were joined by Fireside Accounting for our discussion on December 7th.
December 7, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 7th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, we welcome Jenna Celmer from Basecamp as a special guest host. Over the years, the RV, campground, and outdoor hospitality industries have seen significant growth. From primitive sites with no cell reception to reserving sites over the phone, campers can now experience the great outdoors by booking online to different accommodations based on their needs and preferences. Guest experts from the industry talked about experiential hospitality and the work culture in the RV and campground industries. Celmer asked the experts about their fondest memory of their time in the industry, and most of the experts shared how they started and how they fell in love with the industry’s work culture. Randy Hendrickson, founder & CEO of The Intrepid Group, shared that the industry’s “care gene” keeps him moving forward. According to Scott Foos, CEO & owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, it is vital to have that team-first mentality and ensure that team members are well taken care of. “The more that you really think about investing in your team, and the more that you truly understand that your team drives your business,” Foos added. The conversion focused on experiential hospitality and how the industry is gearing towards providing good customer service or guest service. For RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, it is essential to understand the meaning of experiential camping to get the guests there. “We are moving into a season where we are competing across so many different kinds of markets now, especially with the growth of glamping and some of the things we’re seeing there, that understanding the definition of experiential Camping and understanding what that is is super important just to help get the guests there for the first time,” Ellingson said. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, emphasized that communicating with guests is important to provide a unique experience. Casey Cochran, vice president of Business Development at Campspot Software, talked about how creating a culture and providing the ‘experience’ starts within the staff and team members.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
November 30, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 30th, 2022

In this special episode of MC Fireside Chats, glamping and camping industry experts from all over the world joined us to talk about the challenges they faced in developing their businesses and how they overcame them. This week’s special guests are Olja Nicholl, owner of Serbia’s first-ever glamping resort, Stephanie Bias of Camp Aramoni in Illinois, Italian Architectural Design Manager Giacomo Sanna, and Valentina Kožarić from Croatia. Nicholl shared how they started Lala Vineyard Glamping Resort, Serbia’s first glamping resort. She said she was inspired by United Arab Emirates’ growing glamping industry and decided to bring glamping to Serbia. For Nicholl, bringing glamping to Serbia was not an easy feat. Nestled in a landlocked country, they had to be resourceful and utilize the little natural resources they had to offer unique experiences to guests. Lala Vineyard started small and is now a glamping resort based on sustainability, local experiences, and wine production. She highlighted that developing not just a glamping business but a community that continuously explores tries local, and collaborates with local suppliers is essential. Sanna, an architectural design manager and architecture and parametric design consultant, talked about the struggles of bureaucracy affecting the glamping industry in Italy and how they develop new solutions that can help glamping businesses in the country. Kožarić, a front office manager for a camping and glamping resort in Croatia offering pitches for campers and mobile homes, said the camping and glamping industry in Croatia is growing. Since the company’s inception, they had to offer something different each year. Bias of Camp Aramoni shared how they struggled to define their identity. From glamping to luxury camping and now boutique camping. When asked what the future holds for them, Bias said they aim to create better, unique experiences, add more accommodations, and open year-round.
On July 6th, 2022, we were delighted to be joined by MC Rescue Chats for this week's Fireside Chats.
November 23, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 23rd, 2022

In this week’s Thanksgiving edition of MC Fireside Chats (MCFC), RV experts and enthusiasts discussed the recent events held to help people in the RV industry learn more about growing their respective businesses, and they also looked back to how much the industry has grown this year. In this episode, MCFC Host Brian Searl is joined by RV Dealers Association President Phil Ingrassia and RV Women’s Alliance President Susan Carpenter, as well as special guests, Andy and Peggy Staver, the couple from Our Downsized Life. The discussion started with Phil Ingrassia mentioning how the RV industry, specifically the dealership, are in a good position coming into the new year, with manufacturers adjusting to the new demand with the help of dealers as they get ready to reorder for inventory. He also said that camping and RVing have never been more popular than it is now, with camping bookings and RV rentals remaining strong. “[C]amping is an affordable way to have a vacation… There are a lot of people taking notice of the sector, more private equity money, real estate investments, campgrounds modernizing, and states looking at potential camping areas,” Ingrassia said. Peggy Staver, who stepped down from her corporate career in 2016, mentioned she and her husband became full-time RVers in October of 2017 since Andy was a traveling nurse and found that living in an RV is a suitable way for them to travel for work while bringing their home everywhere they go, which eventually led to the creation of their channel, Our Downsized Life. The couple shared their experience about the time they were traveling during the peak of the lockdowns of the COVID pandemic. Andy Staver said it was incredibly challenging since most campgrounds were closed while those that were open were usually at full capacity, making it difficult for him to find a place for his profession. He said it eventually brought them to Nebraska, where an independent campground accommodated them during the rest of the lockdown. The discussion shifted to the respective events of RVWA and RVDA. Susan Carpenter said the Alliance always wanted to do an education symposium and recognize the people in the RV industry who have made a difference. She also elaborated on the awards that were given to the individuals and groups during the event’s awards ceremony. She said that awards did not focus on any specific segment of the industry, rather it recognized the contributions of the RV people as a whole. The event also held sessions that educated its attendees about the industry and leadership, as well as helped them network and learn from each other. In turn, Phil mentioned the events that took place during the RVDA Convention this year. He said their James B. Summer Award, named after one of their past CEOs, was given to Brian Wilkins of Wilkins RV Inc. who has built his dealership from the ground up and has contributed to the industry. Phil also said that they once again held another Dealers Satisfaction Index, where they surveyed multiple dealerships around the country about the performance of manufacturers and recognized them during the event. When talking about dealers and leaders, Peggy and Andy shared an experience they once had with a dealership that helped them every step of the way to repair a broken appliance in their RV, servicing them as much as possible. “Most RVs need specific products made specifically for RVs, then there are some that accommodate any product, and having a dealer to help people with issues that require [this particular] expertise is an important aspect for dealers… Servicing what they sell. The most successful dealers are full-service [dealerships] with individuals helping their customers,” Phil said. The group then shared what they are grateful for this year and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Susan said that she is looking forward to a smooth-flowing year and getting back to a form of normal after two years of challenges from the pandemic. Phil said he plans to keep moving forward and keep focusing on things that can help the industry grow, as well as start some projects that were postponed due to the pandemic. The Stavers shared that they have always liked meeting people in the campgrounds they stay at, keeping in touch with them even years after. They look forward to meeting and sharing with the people in the community, as well as nurturing their new careers as freelancers helping RV parks grow. Brian Searl also shared that he is keen to learn more about the technology and practices in marketing that can help businesses in the industry grow, showing that it has more potential than people think.
On July 6th, 2022, we had the pleasure of hosting MC Fireside Chats.
November 16, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 16th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, this special edition of the show takes place at this year’s KOA Convention & Expo! Podcast host, Brian Searl, is joined by KOA campground owners around the country. KOA President & CEO Toby O’Rourke, Brigham City KOA’s James Settlemire, KCN Campgrounds’ Nate Thompson, Sandusky/Bayshore KOA’s Jeff Hoffman, and Raton, New Mexico KOA’s Grant Robertson joined today’s show, discussing KOA’s and the camping industry’s direction in the future. The show kicked off with Toby O’Rourke telling KOA’s new direction and mentality moving forward, especially since the organization recently experienced its best year in their history. She said it was time to look back and “think like a start-up” company once again since they have been in business for 60 years. It could help KOA learn how they can keep growing as an organization and “be mission-driven.” She added that the companies that started at the same time as they did 60 years ago are no longer in business, so they don’t want KOA to be disrupted and go out like the others. She believes it’s best to keep looking for ways to improve. She mentioned some future projects of the organization, like ideating new technology, data analysis, and other equipment that can help them and their franchisees go to the next level. The discussion continued with Jeff Hoffman explaining the status of his KOA and its ongoing plans, then his recent experience in the event’s session, especially how deserving the campgrounds who won this year’s awards in the KOA awards show. James Settlemire said KOA has always been hands-on when it comes to supporting the operations of its franchisees and their entrepreneurial spirit. And, how the conference was always about the people in the industry, giving them to keep up with change and adapt to recent times. As a first-timer in the convention, Nate Thompson shared how impressed he was with KOA and their use of data analytics, determining their best course of action. He said he wants to keep using the organization’s support and technology to help grow and improve his campground. As someone who’s been going to the convention for 20 years, Grant Robertson said that people are becoming increasingly interactive with each other, sharing how their respective campgrounds improved through the years. “They dont ask franchisees to change without trying some actions first. KOA doesn’t demand change [immediately]. They first suggest action plans and what could work, helping [franchisees] slowly but surely adapt to the changing times without disrupting them too much,” he said. He said KOA has been supportive and meeting the expectations of their franchisees and customers, giving each the best experience possible. The current KOA makes them feel valued and provides value in the work they do. Nate shared that he loved the startup mentality since he started in a few tech companies in the past, understanding the direction. He has lived the experience of trying something new then keep it if it works, then moving forward if it failed. It allows them to learn. James. the guests coming in has changed, and they are not just staying in their RV, they want to go around the area and experience the outdoors. He likes the experience of trying something new and learning from it. He is excited about how KOA will understand the new guest demographic coming in their campgrounds. Jeff said KOA does a great job helping their people, from the new members to the old. They provide the support they need. They are an innovative company always looking to new things to grow. He said People in the organization are leaders not followers. All their operation systems need to keep growing and he loves the data they receive to show them what works. One of the great things about KOA is that he gets to sit down and chat with other industry members and discuss the technologies, amenities, and ideas that could help them grow. They share information to help them thrive.
On July 6th, 2022, we hosted MC Fireside Chats and were joined by various rescuers.
November 9, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 9th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, glamping experts joined another discussion on topics surrounding the glamping industry. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, and Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan joined today’s show. They are also joined by new recurring members of the show, Zach Stoltenberg, the Glamping & RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, as well as Connor Schwab, the Vice President of Outdoor Hospitality at Sage Outdoor Advisory. Irene Woods started off the show with the learnings she gained as the camping season comes to a close. She said that they moved a few levers to see what benefits their operations the most, which considers a luxury that other campgrounds do not have. Woods mentioned that Fields of Michigan tried two things, which she learned something from. First, she learned that it is important but difficult to meet the guest’s expectations while still providing a good experience, such as adjusting their accommodations to improve their customer experience. Second, they tried to have an adults-only policy, then allow guests to bring their children. She realized having adult-only guests bring in more revenue compared to allowing them to bring children to the sites. She said adults pay more to maximize their experience in the campsite, while families have to go outside to entertain the kids. Ruben Martinez agreed with woods, saying that there’s a certain category of questions that camping operators ask, such as “to be family-friendly or not?”, “What food and beverage to have at the campsite?” or “What amenities to offer?” “As soon as you try to be everything, that’s when you become nothing,” he said. “Find what’s perfect for you and stick with it. You can’t always be everything, you have to choose when it becomes hard down the line.” The show then had a special guest, Tent Masters Sales Director Steven Woodburn, who shared some perspective on the Glamping industry, as well as provided a tour of one of their latest tent models. He said that the outdoor hospitality industry has been on the rise, and during post-covid, it has gone full throttle. He added that older generations go on camping trips with families, but with the growing demographic, people from different backgrounds, who are wanting to experience nature, see camping as the perfect opportunity. The industry is all about experience. When asked about the things that changed how campground owners operate this year, Zach Stoltenberg said, on the architecture side, they’ve got clients this year who are first-timers in operating campgrounds, inquiring about how they can continue operating in the winter season. Seasonal camping season may become another option, as some campgrounds begin to accommodate guests all year round, operating even in cold weather. Zach said that they provided tips to their clients on how they can keep operating in these cold temperatures in the short run. Connor Schwab said winter camping is something that campgrounds may see guests wanting to experience, and they would have to come up with solutions for them to accommodate them, even if not a lot of people would be doing it. Woods said that as people continue glamping, one of the things that they did is keep the staples of their campgrounds, especially to maintain their loyal guests. She said improving the guest experience by either leveling up or “being creative with the space” they have is essential, like readjusting, reusing, or re-invigorating it. They had constantly reuse the space in unexpectedly creative ways Martinez said the industry’s growth will always be made by the people looking to set themselves apart from others. Winter camping, for instance, is something that would keep campsites open all year compared to seasonal camping. It is what may keep operations open moving forward. Zach said he agreed with Irene when she said they had to meet their guests from where their expectations were. Campground owners are selling the experience, not the accommodations, and that thought is what makes good operators.
MC Fireside Chats: This week, we were joined by Daniel at MC Fireside Chats.
October 19, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 19th, 2022

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, we discussed what was on the minds of campground owners with our recurring guests, who appear once a month with us to cover various topics: Mike Harrison, from CRR Lifestyle Duncan Winship, from Papoose Pond Joe Duemig, from App My Community Amir Harpaz of Torrey Trails RV & Golf Resort also joined us to share how the park was preparing for the EV revolution. Four Points RV Resorts CEO Sean Vidrine was another special guest for that episode. He discussed the new upgrades at Paradise Ranch RV Resort and also the park’s preparations for the upcoming holiday season. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our guest.
October 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 12th, 2022

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we were back from The Glamping Show USA and prepared for another episode focused on glamping. This took place on the second Wednesday of the month and featured a panel of recurring guests: *Ruben Martinez of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association *Irene Wood from Fields of Michigan *David Smith of Outside Capital We were joined by special guests, Miguel Huerta of Nantli Living and Katerina Kamtsi of Campsaround. Miguel discussed the glamping industry in Mexico, and Katerina provided insight into the glamping scene in Greece. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show that concentrates on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
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December 15, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 15th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, we wrapped up 2021 with a look back at some of the most important stories. Additionally, we chatted with a park manager about their Christmas activities, an owner who expanded their park, and speculated about what 2022 had in store for the industry.
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December 8, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 8th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats: We were joined by several guests who helped us discuss diversity in the outdoor hospitality industry. Where were we at, what could we improve, and what did the future hold for the ever-changing demographics of campers? We welcomed Earl B. Hunter, Jr from Black Folks Camp Too, David & Eddie from Full-Time Gays, Lindsey Lerner who has traveled full-time and consulted for Sekr, and Al Berrios who helps coordinate outdoor-related activities for Outerthere.
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December 1, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 1st, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our panel of industry leaders who appeared this month with us! *Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software *Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers *Scott Foos, CEO & Owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality *Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant *Kurt Repanshek, Founder of National Parks Traveler *Mark Koep, Founder, and CEO of CampgroundViews.com *Angela Hylton, Editor in Chief of Modern Campground
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 10, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 10th, 2021

Raleigh was the host city for this year’s ARVC OHCE, and we had several people live from the show who shared their experiences and interviewed attendees, including Joe Duemig, Heather Blankenship, and more. Plus, we heard from vendors with interesting products and services, including Alex Goldman from Ideal One Amusement Software and Roy Heimowitz from Skyhawk. This was all covered in the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats.
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 3, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 3rd, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our panel of industry leaders who appear once every month with us! *Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software *Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers *Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant *Angela Hylton, Project Manager at Insider Perks.
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October 27, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – October 27, 2021

In this special Halloween episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia were joined by a host of special guests, bringing together diverse perspectives from the world of camping and RV parks. Recurring guest Darryle Busa from Modern Campground, was also in attendance. Special guests in attendance were: – Sharon Beaumont and Andrew Pysczynski of Normandy Farms – Sarah Krause of Rivers Edge Campground – Fred Stott of Santa Cruz/Monterey Bay KOA Holiday – Marcie Purviance of North Texas Jellystone Park
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October 6, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – October 6th, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our brand new panel of industry leaders who will appear once every month with us! Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software; Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers; Scott Foos, CEO & Owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality; Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant; Kurt Repanshek, Founder of National Parks Traveler; Mark Koep, Founder, and CEO of CampgroundViews.com; Angela Hylton, Project Manager at Insider Perks.
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September 29, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – September 29th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the then-upcoming fall conferences in the United States and Canada. Lori Severson from the brand new Campground Owners Expo – COE joined us, along with Joss Penny from British Columbia to talk about their respective conferences. Plus, we heard from Joe Duemig, a supplier from App My Community, about vendor interest in these shows, as well as discussed ARVC, KOA, Jellystone, and state conferences like New York and Pennsylvania.
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September 22, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – September 22nd, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we chatted with the co-founder and chief marketing officer of Outdoorsy, Jennifer Young! We discussed peer-to-peer rentals and how they broaden access to the RV/camping lifestyle to more people. Plus, we talked about how Outdoorsy and campgrounds can work together to benefit everyone involved.