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October 7, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – October 7th, 2026

During the October 7, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that to attract an evolving, experiential demographic, campground operators must hyper-focus on specific niches, adapt to the rise of smaller, rugged RVs, and forge strong cross-sector collaborations.
September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
September 23, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 23rd, 2026

During the September 23, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that campground operators should embrace artificial intelligence to automate backend data and marketing workflows, ultimately saving time and boosting revenue while keeping the technology invisible to preserve genuine, human-to-human hospitality.
September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
September 2, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 2nd, 2026

During the September 2, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts explored the rapid evolution of AI-integrated property management systems and evolving consumer behaviors, emphasizing a market shift toward simpler recreational vehicles and the importance of targeting guests by specific life stages rather than broad generational labels.
August 26, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 26th, 2026

During the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts agreed that while the rapid evolution of artificial intelligence and its use in marketing continues to spark debates over authenticity, its greatest value in outdoor hospitality lies in automating backend operations so staff can focus on delivering exceptional, human-to-human guest experiences.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
August 13, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – August 13th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode featured a lively discussion with glamping entrepreneurs Brian and Ann Konradi of The Yurtopian, industry experts, and technology partners, centering on the importance of unique guest experiences, targeted marketing, and building customer loyalty. The conversation also touched on trends in outdoor hospitality, the balance between technology and personal touch, and the Konradis’ unique decision to raffle off one of their properties.
August 6, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – August 6th, 2025

The August 6th episode of MC Fireside Chats focused on environmental risks and emergency preparedness in outdoor hospitality, sparked by recent flash flooding incidents in Spain and Texas. The panel also discussed industry trends, collaboration between RV dealers and campgrounds, and shared new data pointing to cautious optimism in the RV and camping sectors.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
July 23, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 23rd, 2025

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks explores the intersection of marketing, AI, and the campground industry. He’s joined by recurring guests Mychele Bisson of Bison Peak Ventures and Kurtis Wilkins of Rjourney, along with special guests Jeremy Johnson, owner of Kona Hills Campground, and Kieron Wilde of First Nature and Fur Haven. Brian opens the show by welcoming Mychele, who was initially delayed in joining. He then sets the stage by highlighting the show’s focus on marketing and AI, noting the absence of regular guest Greg Emmert due to client commitments. Brian proceeds to introduce Kurtis and Mychele, jokingly stumbling over Mychele’s last name, “Bisson,” which leads to a lighthearted discussion about the pronunciation of French words and Brian’s preference for German. Mychele echoes his sentiment, finding French pronunciation “snotty.” Despite the playful jabs, all agree that French people are “beautiful.” Kurtis Wilkins of Rjourney, who manages and owns 43 campgrounds, speaks first, noting his company’s presence in the industry since 2017. Mychele Bisson then introduces herself as a relative newcomer, having owned six campgrounds from Alaska to Florida for almost two years, and actively growing her portfolio. Brian teases Mychele about potentially owning 800 parks in 16 years, attributing future growth to AI’s impact on systems. Jeremy Johnson, the owner of Kona Hills Campground in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, shares his five-year journey of permitting and entitlements to open his first 80-acre campground with 40 rustic tent camping sites on Lake Superior. He explains that his background in residential real estate investing, coupled with rising housing prices in Marquette, led him to pivot to campgrounds. Jeremy initially envisioned higher-end glamping with cabins but shifted to rustic tent and car camping due to Michigan’s state-level campground licensing requirements for more than two units for short-term stays. He emphasizes the desire to maintain immersion in nature while mindfully adding accommodations. He also shares his positive experiences with car campers, dispelling stereotypes about them being irresponsible, and notes the initial resistance from the local community who feared “homeless people.” Jeremy highlights the inherent demand for his campground due to its proximity to Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore and the city of Marquette, both tourism hubs. He exclusively uses direct bookings through Park for reservations, having delisted from Hipcamp due to backend difficulties and communication challenges with self-service operations. Kieron Wilde, owner of First Nature, a destination management company and tour operator for the West Coast of North America, and Fur Haven, a glamping setup, discusses his 18 years in the industry. He explains that First Nature packages experiences with accommodations and attractions, often selling to tour operators. Kieron also shares his personal journey of relocating to the Columbia River Gorge and the permitting challenges he faced with his Fur Haven project, eventually finding a previously permitted Thousand Trails property. His vision for Fur Haven focuses on the mobility of its A-frame units, allowing them to be relocated seasonally to meet demand for events like concerts or large gatherings. Kieron elaborates on the diverse experiences First Nature offers in the Pacific Northwest, ranging from hiking and whitewater rafting to wine country tours and world-class skiing, emphasizing unique, high-level, and custom private experiences. He also highlights his company’s commitment to sustainability and regenerative tourism. The conversation then shifts to the future of the campground industry, particularly the overlooked opportunity for enhancing guest experiences. Mychele expresses her appreciation for the diversity within the industry, noting how different approaches, like Jeremy’s rustic camping or Kieron’s curated experiences, all thrive. She shares an example of her Alaska park, which, despite appearing like a “parking lot,” serves as a base for guests to explore the surrounding natural beauty of Valdez, leading to community-building events like fish fries. Jeremy elaborates on his future plans for Kona Hills, including developing an old rock quarry for ice climbing and leveraging its proximity to extensive mountain biking trails, drawing inspiration from Bentonville’s success. Kurtis chimes in, reinforcing the idea of unique experiences for each Rjourney campground and jokingly blames his unusual quietness on allergies and nearby wildfires in Washington. The discussion then pivots to the impact of AI on marketing and the industry. Brian introduces the new ChatGPT agent, which can perform actions like booking itineraries and checking calendars by connecting to personal data, calling it just the “beginning.” He then mentions Perplexity’s new browser, which runs locally on a computer, emphasizing that the future will involve AI making decisions based on website content without human interaction. Kurtis envisions a future where websites communicate via robust APIs with AI agents, facilitating bookings and reservations. Mychele shares her experience with a prop-AI business that uses AI for cold calling and lead generation, and an AI system called Manus that can book entire trips based on detailed user preferences. She stresses the importance of adapting to AI, noting that “mom and pop” campground owners who resist will be left behind. The panelists discuss the rapid pace of AI development, with Kurtis noting how quickly new technologies become “obsolete.” Mychele highlights the challenge of balancing traditional customer service with AI-driven efficiencies, believing that AI can free up staff to focus on human-centric customer service. Brian plays devil’s advocate, suggesting that even a robot could provide a “human experience” by fulfilling guest needs. The conversation touches on the broader societal implications of AI, including job displacement and the growing wealth gap. They express concern about the lack of public discourse on these issues and the rapid approach of “super-intelligence.” Mychele emphasizes the need for businesses to adapt to AI-driven search and booking methods to remain competitive. The episode concludes with Brian, Mychele, and Kurtis discussing the accelerating pace of AI development and its profound impact on all aspects of life. They muse about a future where humanoid robots could be commonplace and even become integrated into personal relationships. Mychele stresses that businesses must embrace AI to stay relevant, and Kurtis and Brian acknowledge the difficulty of keeping up with the rapid changes. Brian, acknowledging the extended discussion, wraps up the show by thanking his guests and promoting his other podcast, “Outwired,” which will continue the conversation on the future of campgrounds.
July 16, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 16th, 2025

On the July 16th episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed back Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality and Sandy Ellingson, a consultant in the RV industry. Robert Preston, founder and CEO of Unhitched RV and Management, joined as a new recurring guest. Angele Miller, owner of Creekside RnR Glamping, and Britt Roth, co-owner of Dark Sky RV Campground in Kanab, Utah, also joined the discussion. The chat began with introductions. Mike Harrison, COO of CRR Hospitality, explained their focus on owning, managing, and consulting for RV and glamping resorts. He mentioned an upcoming cruise to Alaska from Vancouver. Sandy Ellingson described her primary role as a liaison between the RV industry and campgrounds, leveraging her background in technology and strategy. She enjoys semi-retirement, picking and choosing her clients. Robert Preston introduced Unhitched RV and Management, which owns, operates, and develops RV parks primarily in the Southeast, also offering third-party management and consulting. A significant portion of the discussion revolved around the role of AI in the RV and camping industry. Mike Harrison announced the imminent launch of “Rigsby Live” (soon to be “Campy Live”), an AI voice reservation agent. He believes this will revolutionize the industry by eliminating busy signals and allowing 24/7 reservations, integrating with platforms like CampSpot. He noted that this technology is ahead of even the hotel industry. Brian Searl added that this AI can handle full reservations, check availability, provide site types, and send payment links, aiming to replace standard phone representatives. Robert Preston shared that Unhitched RV primarily uses AI on the backend for data aggregation, particularly for deep dives into rates, comps, and occupancies for acquisitions, as well as for power consumption and utility metering. He acknowledged a deficit of institutionalized data in the RV industry compared to others like multifamily, where CoStar provides vast amounts of detailed information. He emphasized that AI currently helps them gather data quickly, but human interpretation is still crucial for valuable, specific output. Sandy Ellingson expanded on the data challenge, stating that the existing data is often “dirty.” She explained that AI struggles to differentiate between transient, long-term stay, and 55+ RV parks, leading to diluted data when merged. Robert Preston agreed, highlighting the industry’s lack of clear definitions for “campground,” “park,” and “resort,” contributing to poor data quality. Mike Harrison mentioned that OHI (Outdoor Hospitality Industry) is now actively working to normalize and aggregate data, categorizing campgrounds to help with investment and analytical reflection, and to facilitate tax code changes for REITs. This process is expected to take 12-18 months. The conversation shifted to takeaways from the July 4th holiday weekend and changing camper behaviors. Sandy Ellingson noted the absence of a “norm” in bookings; some parks were anxious about not selling out but then did so last minute, indicating a shrinking booking window. She observed parks offering creative incentives like extended stays with flexible arrival/departure times. Campers, she noted, appreciate the ability to make last-minute decisions. She also highlighted an increasing demand for tent camping and car camping sites, redefining entry-level camping experiences, with expensive, high-tech car setups blurring the lines with traditional RVs. Brian Searl questioned the traditional reluctance of campgrounds to accept tent campers, especially given the evolving nature of camping and the need to be strategic in a more competitive market. Sandy Ellingson used the “roast” analogy to illustrate how outdated practices, like refusing tent campers, persist without understanding their modern evolution. She emphasized that a new generation of campers, including those exploring “gateway drugs” into camping like car camping, needs to be considered. Angele Miller shared that her glamping resort has seen a shift towards more European and Eastern US visitors, remaining fully booked due to being in a highly touristic region with a lack of accommodation. Robert Preston discussed their focus on multi-generational camping, planning new developments to integrate RV sites with cabins or lodging units nearby to accommodate families with varying preferences. He also touched on the current market reality for park owners, noting a shift from the inflated valuations of 2021-2022. Owners are now making decisions to sell, move to third-party management, or continue operating, facing a choice between retaining control and leveraging professional expertise or seeking an exit. He highlighted time, energy, and talent as primary drivers for owners considering third-party management or selling. Mike Harrison added profitability as another key factor, suggesting that professional management can drive more revenue. He acknowledged the “conundrum” for smaller mom-and-pop campgrounds that might find management fees cost-prohibitive. The discussion moved to the acceptance of tent camping in upscale resorts. Mike Harrison stated that CRR Hospitality is not resistant to tent camping and is actively exploring creating dedicated sections for them in larger properties, especially as the market becomes more competitive. He emphasized that tent campers can still be affluent and contribute positively to a campground. Britt Roth from Dark Sky RV Campground shared her experience, initially opening with tent camping but later converting those sites to electric-only due to negative experiences with rudeness, messiness, and demanding behavior from some tent campers. She emphasized creating a “boutique” experience focusing on small rigs, offering amenities like spa-like showers, yoga classes, and goat walks. The concept of customer experience and recurring guests was explored. Angele Miller highlighted that despite increased competition (over 55 glamping resorts in her province compared to three when she started), her resort remains fully booked by focusing on continuous innovation, exceptional customer service, and unique offerings. They streamline check-in with text messages, provide high-quality cooking amenities (Green Egg BBQs), offer hot tubs in every unit, and leverage local partnerships for unique experiences like lobster and oyster deliveries. They also cater to corporate retreats to fill off-peak times and prioritize personalized service, including handwritten welcome notes for returning guests. Robert Preston presented his “four by four” framework for managing properties: the four fundamental needs (safety, cleanliness, friendliness) that must be met, and the four operational buckets (technology, operations, facilities, marketing) to fulfill them. He stressed that while “sizzle” (unique attractions) draws guests once, the fundamentals ensure recurring visits and loyalty. He noted that some of their best-performing parks are not the prettiest but excel in creating a strong sense of community and culture. Mike Harrison echoed this, emphasizing “execute excellently” – getting the basics right for a seamless guest experience and avoiding “distractions.” He also highlighted “experiential hospitality,” leveraging each property’s unique “DNA” and a continuous drive for improvement. The panel also discussed the complexity of mixing different accommodation types like RVs and glamping. While Brian Searl initially suggested it might be harder, Mike Harrison and Robert Preston argued that it’s more about knowing your customer and ensuring the “right fit.” Robert Preston stressed that adding cabins or glamping units significantly changes operational and maintenance requirements, essentially adding different business lines that need to be managed distinctly. Angele Miller shared her decision not to mix glamping with RV/tent sites at her resort, as the clientele for each is vastly different, and introducing tenters could negatively impact the experience for her glamping guests who seek a higher price point and different atmosphere. She noted that national parks are introducing basic “authentic” glamping tents that appeal to a different segment. Sandy Ellingson offered a broader perspective, noting the blurring lines of terminology, where “glamping” can also describe RV camping for some. She believes there’s space for all types of experiences, but emphasized understanding one’s niche. She highlighted the core difference between campgrounds and hotels: the community and relationships built among campers, where guests interact and connect in unique ways not found elsewhere. This community aspect is, for her, the “heart” of the industry. Britt Roth reinforced the idea of “staying in your lane” – focusing on what you do best and are passionate about, and then creating a luxurious experience within that niche, rather than trying to compete on all fronts. The discussion concluded with a consensus that “staying in your lane” doesn’t mean stagnation but rather strategic expansion. As Robert Preston put it, you can “be in multiple lanes, but you can’t go down the road the opposite direction.” Sandy Ellingson clarified that staying in your lane “does not mean no change.” Britt Roth added that it’s about “creating the new lane” and reinventing what RVing or glamping can be, emphasizing the ever-evolving nature of the industry and the magic of creating unique experiences. Brian Searl expressed gratitude to the panelists for their insights.
July 9, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 9th, 2025

In the July 9th, 2025 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl and sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, a diverse panel of guests discussed key trends and challenges in the outdoor hospitality industry. The recurring guests included Zach Stoltenberg from LJA and Casey Cochran from Campspot, joined by special guests Natalie Binder from Camp V and Josh Hansen and Rebecca Lindblom from Big Rock Creek. The discussion opened with introductions, where Casey Cochran highlighted Campspot’s role as an online reservation and property management system, emphasizing their marketplace for campers. Zach Stoltenberg, an architect, explained LJA Engineering’s work in designing and funding glamping and outdoor hospitality projects, noting he was joining from his cabin in Colorado with a view of Pikes Peak. Natalie Binder then introduced Camp V, a boutique glamping hotel in a restored historic mining town in Colorado, offering a mix of accommodations and an arts nonprofit for events. Josh Hansen described Big Rock Creek, a large glampground and event venue in Wisconsin, detailing their diverse glamping and camping options, alongside a barn for weddings and large events. Rebecca Lindblom, Josh’s sister, also from Big Rock Creek, later joined the conversation, elaborating on their successful Christmas Light Festival. A significant portion of the chat focused on the holiday weekend performance and revenue management. Casey Cochran reported that many campgrounds achieved 100% occupancy over the Fourth of July, highlighting Campspot’s efforts to automate revenue management by analyzing market and historical data. Brian Searl added that even with fewer camper nights, effective Average Daily Rate (ADR) management could still lead to increased revenue, potentially reducing guest issues. The conversation then shifted to disaster preparedness and emergency response, prompted by Zach Stoltenberg’s discussion of recent flooding in Texas that impacted summer camps and RV parks. He underscored the critical importance of having and practicing a disaster plan, citing a camp that avoided casualties due to robust planning. Natalie Binder shared her own harrowing experience with an electrical fire at Camp V, emphasizing that while they had plans, the actual employee reaction during an emergency is unpredictable and highlighted the need for more psychological and trauma-informed training. She also mentioned their strategy of bringing in trusted “outside contractors” for emergency coverage. Zach Stoltenberg suggested drawing lessons from amusement parks and cruise ships that conduct regular, unannounced drills. Josh Hansen acknowledged the difficulty of consistent training due to seasonal staff turnover. When asked about technological solutions, Casey Cochran noted Campspot’s dashboards could identify occupied sites, and while text messaging is useful, legal opt-in requirements limit its immediate impact in emergencies. Zach Stoltenberg also mentioned integrated hardware systems like Point Central that can automate alerts and controls within units. Ultimately, the consensus was that operators should at least start with a basic plan and rehearse it with their staff. The discussion transitioned to diversifying revenue and event-based marketing. Josh Hansen shared Big Rock Creek’s pivot to camping and glamping during COVID-19, accelerating their event business. Rebecca Lindblom highlighted their hugely successful Miracle at Big Rock Christmas Light Festival, which draws tens of thousands of visitors and effectively generates winter revenue while promoting summer offerings. She advised other operators to focus on efficient resourcing and creating social media-shareable photo opportunities. Natalie Binder revealed that Camp V’s Planet V Fest music festival also grew organically from guest enthusiasm and serves as a powerful marketing tool. She also shared how a $2 million state grant helped them build a new event pavilion. Natalie emphasized that for remote destinations like Camp V, relationship marketing and outbound efforts to attract specific groups are crucial, leveraging the property’s unique assets like dark skies. Both Josh Hansen and Natalie Binder agreed on the unpredictable but valuable nature of influencer marketing. Zach Stoltenberg observed that both Big Rock Creek and Camp V exemplify a business model where experiences and events are primary, with accommodations serving as a secondary component. This approach, he noted, naturally leads to higher revenues and creates lifelong customers. Rebecca Lindblom enthusiastically agreed, stating that event attendees often become repeat guests for all their offerings. Brian Searl concluded that prioritizing the experience generally works more in an operator’s favor. Zach Stoltenberg further distinguished the marketing channels for events (targeting HR directors, wedding planners) versus individual accommodation bookings. Natalie Binder reiterated that their success largely comes from grassroots, word-of-mouth, and direct relationship-building. In closing, Brian Searl thanked the guests. Natalie Binder encouraged visits to campv.com. Josh Hansen directed listeners to bigrockcreekwi.com and miracleatbigrock.com, adding a final thought that early-week glamping or camping can be just as enjoyable as weekends. Rebecca Lindblom also expressed appreciation for the discussion. Zach Stoltenberg highlighted the importance of relationships as a wise business strategy, where trust and connection naturally lead to strong business. Brian Searl then promoted his upcoming podcast, “The Campground of the Future,” before concluding the episode.
July 2, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 2nd, 2025

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, the show welcomed a mix of returning guests and a special guest to discuss the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The show, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks and Modern Campground, delved into various topics including RV sales and consumer behavior, campground occupancy, and international trends. Phil Ingrassia, President of the RV Dealers Association of the US, joined the panel and shared insights from Go RVing’s recent study on RV purchase intentions. He reported that between 60% and 70% of “COVID buyers” (those who purchased RVs between 2020 and 2023) are interested in purchasing RVs again. Ingrassia noted that this figure was higher than his initial expectation of 40% and that the industry is entering a repurchase cycle. He also acknowledged the current macroeconomic issues influencing sales. When asked about the gap between interest and actual purchase, Ingrassia highlighted that the “want to” is present, which offers opportunity. Rafael Correa, President and CFO of Blue Water Hospitality, provided an update on his company’s portfolio of RV resorts. He reported that Blue Water Hospitality is at 104% of the same revenue as last year, attributing this to a significant uptake in long-term and seasonal sales, as well as vacation rentals. He noted a recent surge in transient RV bookings, which had been lagging previously. Correa also observed a shortening of the booking window, with consumers making plans closer to their stay dates due to increased inventory availability and user-friendly booking systems. He emphasized the importance of encouraging people into the RVing lifestyle to maintain industry growth and highlighted the dynamic nature of campground inventory, allowing for shifts to meet consumer demand. Simon Neal, Founder and CEO of Camp Map, offered a European perspective, sharing data from France. He reported a sharp rise in international tourism for Q1 and Q2, driven by neighboring countries and also growth from Canada and China. Summer bookings across the entire tourism sector in France were up 16% from last year. For outdoor hospitality specifically, there was a 1.7% growth in overnight stays. Neal also highlighted that price is the most important factor for 39% of current bookings, with 60% of people wanting to spend less than $1,000 per person on their summer holiday. He mentioned the average site rate per night in Europe is around $60. Scott Bahr, President of Cairn Consulting Group, echoed Phil Ingrassia’s sentiment about consumer interest, stating that it is “sitting out there” and represents an opportunity. He noted that interest is up over last year, though it is not always translating into immediate sales. Bahr suggested that 25% to 30% of interested individuals are holding off due to economic uncertainty and price concerns. He also emphasized that the ability to use an RV (e.g., parking, operating) is a significant barrier for many, particularly for COVID-era buyers, with 40% experiencing operational issues. Bahr asserted that actively using an RV, such as through rentals, has a much higher impact on purchase likelihood compared to staying in a static RV on-site. Susan Brenton, Executive Director of the Arizona Outdoor Hospitality Association, shared insights from Arizona’s market. She noted that hotel rates in areas like Phoenix and Scottsdale are typically higher, with groups paying $200-$225 per night for a hotel. Brenton indicated that her association doesn’t collect specific occupancy or revenue data but shared anecdotal evidence. She highlighted that Canadian travelers, who usually contribute a large influx to Arizona’s RV parks during winter, have an impact on year-round park model rentals. Brenton also discussed legislative issues faced by the association, particularly concerning a growing trend of people living year-round in RVs due to economic factors. She estimated that it’s around 30%, while a tenants’ association claims it’s 50%. This trend has led to legislative challenges, such as a bill requiring landlords to allow air conditioning replacement in RV parks. The discussion also touched on the cost of RV rentals, with Scott Bahr reporting a small towable costing about $275 per night, plus campsite fees, making it over $300 per night. Simon Neal found similar pricing in Europe, with shoulder season rentals around $140 per night and peak season reaching $270 or more for smaller units. Phil Ingrassia acknowledged these prices, stating that they are typical for high-usage seasons, but compared them to the high costs of other recreational activities like cruises or theme parks. Rafael Correa added that $300 a night could be a good deal if traveling with a family, as it might equate to two hotel rooms, and highlighted the added value of campground amenities for families. Rafael Correa further discussed the recent Wall Street Journal article titled “Even Warren Buffett hasn’t fixed the RV industry’s serial breakdowns,” which highlighted quality issues with RV manufacturing. He emphasized that this negative publicity impacts the entire industry. Phil Ingrassia responded by stating that the RV Dealers Association and RV Industry Association are actively working to improve “repair event cycle time” (RECT). He noted that manufacturers have adjusted production levels to match demand, which should naturally lead to quality improvements. Ingrassia also mentioned that manufacturers are investing in new systems, people, and processes to enhance quality, as the industry understands the need to reduce repairs on newer units. The panel discussed the impact of the COVID-era boom on the industry. Rafael Correa reflected on the pre-COVID annual growth rate of camper households, which was around 12%. He suggested that the industry might have been better off maintaining that steady growth rather than experiencing the unprecedented surge during COVID, which caused significant stress on labor and demand. Scott Bahr supported this, stating that a graphic he created shows that “had COVID never happened, the RV industry would be ahead of where we’re at right now based on that trend line”. The conversation concluded with a forward-looking perspective on reducing friction in the outdoor hospitality experience. Rafael Correa emphasized Blue Water’s focus on removing friction for customers making reservations and encouraged the industry to promote the RV and camping lifestyle with the least possible friction. Brian Searl provocatively suggested that in 20 years, self-driving RVs might make the lifestyle more accessible and affordable, allowing more people to experiment with it. The show concluded with a reminder about future episodes and where to find more information about the guests’ organizations.
June 25, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – June 25th, 2025

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, a new focus for the Week 4 show was introduced, shifting away from the RV industry to concentrate on marketing, AI, and technology. Host Brian Searl, CEO of Insider Perks and Modern Campground, opened the show by explaining this new direction and the reshuffling of some recurring guests. He noted that Phil from RVDA of America and Eleonore from RVDA of Canada would now appear on the Week 1 show, which covers data, trends, and analytics. Greg Emmert, the founder of Verio Outdoor Hospitality Consulting, was introduced by Brian, who joked that he was kept on the panel out of pity. Greg then introduced himself and his consulting firm, which helps clients build their operations “strategically and with soul.” He and Brian also made light of the new website Brian’s team is building for his company. Kurtis Wilkins, a new recurring guest from Rjourney RV Resorts and Advanced Outdoor Management, was welcomed to the show. He clarified that he goes by “Kurtis” professionally to distinguish himself from another “Kurtis” in his office. He explained that his company has 41 branded locations and over 12,000 RV pads, with a focus on front-end sales and the monetization of camping. Sam Dagenhard, the founder and CEO of Campfire Ranch, was introduced as a special guest. He described his company as an outdoor hospitality brand based in Gunnison, Colorado, which is building a collection of properties with a focus on “subscale” locations of 30 rooms or less. He said this allows for a high-touch, intimate experience where they can know guests by name. He also stated that his company offers a range of experiences from camping to backcountry trips, always located near prime outdoor recreation spots. Sam later revealed that he grew up RVing and camping and began putting his ideas on paper after moving to Los Angeles, where he found himself limited by state park and national forest campgrounds. He started organizing large, informal group camping trips to places like Joshua Tree, which inspired him to design an ideal campground for his generation. He took a leap in 2019, leaving his job in sports marketing at Red Bull to find his first location, intending to build a brand that would eventually span coast to coast and offer a unique, one-of-a-kind experience. The discussion began with a topic brought up by Kurtis Wilkins, who spoke about the transition from traditional SEO to what his team is calling “AEO,” or AI Engine Optimization. He noted that 13% of search traffic had recently been diverted away from Google, which is a significant change being discussed in many marketing departments. Brian Searl responded by sharing his belief that traditional SEO is “dead” because as AI gets smarter, it will be impossible to “trick” Google. He argued that the new focus should be on providing valuable content that AI systems can easily understand. He then asked Sam Dagenhard about his recent experience with a website redesign and SEO report. Sam said that in the beginning, SEO was all about inserting keywords into copy, which felt “wonky.” He has now learned that other factors like speed and security also play a role. He explained that his company is still young, and their initial website on Squarespace was a prototype for a 17-site campground where SEO happened “by accident.” As his company has grown, they are now transitioning to a more robust website and are in the copywriting phase. He found it interesting to see how much AI was already picking up about his business during a brand discovery audit. He believes it is crucial for his internal team to write the website copy to maintain the authentic, high-touch relationship they have with guests. Kurtis Wilkins agreed with Sam’s starting point, acknowledging that his experience with SEO 10 years ago was the same. He said that good SEO has always been about providing what Google wants and doing it in a structured way. He emphasized the importance of localized content and using backlinks from community groups like the Boy Scouts to build relevance. He noted that his current focus is on creating structured, targeted information, localized to the community and the user searching for it, regardless of their location. He expressed a desire to hear more from Brian on this. Greg Emmert offered a historical perspective on SEO, recalling his first website when people used Yahoo and a “web crawler” for search results. He admitted that he learned little about SEO and was more focused on daily operations like plunging toilets. He stated that his new website, built by Brian’s team, is being tailored for “LLM” (Large Language Model) searches, which he called “AEO,” a term he admitted to stealing from Kurtis. He explained that he is now focused on conversational, narrative-style writing that sounds like he is speaking, which he sees as the future of search. He also mentioned his recent experience with a different consulting company, noting how quickly the SEO landscape has changed in just two years. Brian Searl added to the discussion, emphasizing that everyday people don’t need to be SEO experts but should know enough to ask the right questions of their marketing partners. He suggested using tools like ChatGPT to learn the basics. He reinforced the idea that Google has always wanted websites to write for the user, and providing valuable, easy-to-understand content is key. He cited an example of a client’s property in Arizona, Verde Ranch RV Resort, where a page about bicycle rentals could help them win search queries from users and AI systems looking for that specific amenity in the area. He stressed that a page dedicated to a specific offering is far more powerful than a simple bullet point on an amenities list. Kurtis Wilkins agreed with Brian’s point about providing value, stating that Google’s core function is to be a good recommender for its users. He also mentioned that RV parks are “many businesses in one business,” and each component, from waterparks to gift shops, needs to be optimized for search. He added that “social proof” from reviews and listings also plays an increasingly important role. Brian agreed, highlighting that brand building, press releases, and social media conversations are crucial signals that AI uses to understand a business. Brian then invited Sam to elaborate on how Campfire Ranch got started. Sam explained his lifelong love for the outdoors, starting with RVing with his family. After moving to LA for a career in sports marketing with Red Bull, he felt a gap in the market for a campground designed for his generation. He started organizing group camping trips where he would rent and set up all the gear for friends, realizing the barrier to entry for camping was the equipment itself. This led to his business model, which focuses on providing gear and equipment. He also emphasized the importance of building community, noting he loves when guests line up for the bathroom because it encourages them to talk and make friends. He said that this high-touch approach has also led to partnerships with manufacturers like North Face who provide gear for rentals. He stated that Campfire Ranch is an “RV-free” campground, focusing on tent, car, and van camping. Greg Emmert praised Sam’s business model, calling it “underserved” and noting that car camping is on the rise. He commended Sam’s courage in creating a business that is different from the typical RV park model. Kurtis Wilkins added that while he loves tent campers, many local governments and municipalities prevent RV parks from offering tent camping or “van camping.” Sam replied that Campfire Ranch’s walk-in tent sites are priced at a premium because they offer the best views, proving that if you cater to tent campers and make them feel important, they will come. He said that this intentional design choice comes from understanding what customers want and that it is a great reality check against assumptions. Brian Searl concluded the main discussion by highlighting the difference between a business owner and an entrepreneur, noting the courage it takes to pursue a niche like Sam has. With the hour approaching, the panelists prepared to wrap up. Brian extended an invitation to Sam to become a recurring guest on the show, which Sam accepted. The show ended with Brian encouraging the audience to connect with Sam at Campfire Ranch, Kurtis at Rjourney, and Greg at his new consulting company, Verio. The group signed off, mentioning the upcoming Outwired podcast to discuss credit card fraud and heat safety.
June 19, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – June 18th, 2025

June 18th Episode Recap This episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest-hosted by Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality, brought together a diverse panel of outdoor hospitality experts to discuss current trends, challenges, opportunities, and the unique aspects of their respective properties. The discussion highlighted the varied experiences within the campground industry, from long-standing family businesses to niche, destination-focused operations, and the ongoing impact of external factors like legislation and economic shifts. Mike Harrison, Chief Operating Officer of CRR Hospitality, introduced himself and his company, which owns, manages, and consults on outdoor hospitality assets. He expressed excitement about guest hosting and noted the show’s weekly rotation of panelists and topics, covering trends, markets, challenges, and opportunities. Jeff Hoffman, a founder of Camp Strategy, a consulting firm for campgrounds, shared his extensive experience, revealing he has owned his current campground since 1968, making him the most tenured in the group. His firm offers services from due diligence and feasibility studies to coaching for profitability. Kaleigh Day, owner of Surf Junction Campground in Ucluelet, BC, described her unique, forested property located near the Pacific Rim National Park Reserve. Her campground features traditional tenting and partially/full-service sites, along with amenities like hot tubs, a sauna, flush toilets, and hot showers. A key differentiator is her surf school, operating out of the national park, alongside surf rentals, a general store, and a coffee shop. The campground has about 90 campsites across 72 acres, utilizing about 40, keeping the rest wild. Kaleigh explained that Surf Junction’s revenue model relies on a “trifecta” of camping, surf lessons, and surf rentals. Keeping camping prices relatively low helps attract more campers, especially in the shoulder season, with additional revenue generated from add-ons like coffee, merchandise, and crucially, surf lessons and rentals, often bundled in packages. She noted that the surf school builds community and loyalty, with campers returning annually and bringing friends and family. Kaleigh’s family acquired the pre-existing Surf Junction 13 years ago when it was smaller, and they have since expanded the offerings and visibility of the surf school. She highlighted the campground’s destination appeal, being a five-and-a-half-hour journey from Vancouver, involving a ferry and a long, winding road, meaning visitors specifically choose to come to them. Reservations open in January and are typically full for the summer by June. Stephen Saint Fort, owner of Fort Welikit Campground in Custer, South Dakota, described his 22-acre property just outside Custer, near Custer State Park and Black Hills National Forest. His campground has 100 sites, with 71 being RV sites ranging from 30-amp water and electric to 50-amp pull-throughs. A unique feature is that no two sites are alike, and the campground is heavily treed, with deer and turkey frequently seen. Stephen proudly introduced their “Camping barrels,” unique sleeping cabins that look like giant whiskey barrels, special-ordered from Norway. These barrels offer a mattress, electricity, a light, and a fan, positioned close to a bathhouse, and guests bring their own bedding. He decided to offer them as a more affordable, single-night option than full-service cabins, and they have been unexpectedly popular. Jeff Hoffman then discussed a concerning legislative trend in Ohio, where a bill could allow county commissioners to take two-thirds of bed tax revenue for discretionary use, rather than for the visitors bureau. He shared his experience on his county’s visitors bureau, which grew from $250,000 to $4 million in revenue, and now faces demands from the county. Mike Harrison echoed these concerns, citing similar issues in Arizona where a proposed five-point bed tax increase would make a small town’s taxes among the highest in the state, potentially driving visitors to less expensive, more developed cities. Both stressed the importance of industry involvement in local, state, and national associations to combat unregulated changes that could negatively impact properties. Jeff further illustrated this point with his personal experience building a bathhouse, which saw costs nearly double due to unexpected Ohio building codes for commercial structures, contrasting it with Stephen’s experience with barrels in the Dakotas where zoning might be less stringent. The conversation shifted to summer travel trends. Kaleigh Day noted an increase in bookings, especially in the shoulder season, with more Canadians staying within Canada and a significant rise in European visitors, particularly Germans and Dutch, who often rent RVs in the Rockies and finish their trips on Vancouver Island. She observed that tighter budgets might be leading more people to choose camping over expensive resorts. Stephen Saint Fort reported a slow May due to cold and rain. While his Canadian bookings seemed on track, he noted an influx of cancellations from Quebec specifically, but other provinces were still booking. His international bookings are higher, partly attributed to switching to an online booking company, Firefly, which simplifies the process for international travelers. The discussion also touched on the shrinking booking window, which both Mike Harrison and Jeff Hoffman confirmed has decreased by 20-30% year-on-year, leading to more last-minute bookings. This trend suggests shorter, closer-to-home vacations. Stephen Saint Fort, however, observed that while his bookings are fewer, the average length of stay has increased from 4-5 nights to 6-7 nights, indicating guests are staying longer to explore the many attractions in the Black Hills. Kaleigh Day, conversely, prefers shorter stays (2-3 days) to maximize surf rental and lesson opportunities. The unique identities and diverse markets of campgrounds were emphasized. Stephen Saint Fort highlighted the variety even within Custer, with 55 campgrounds within 15 miles, each catering to different guest needs, such as those prioritizing satellite TV over treed sites. Mike Harrison underscored the diversity not only in market but also in sophistication, contrasting Stephen’s recent adoption of online booking with his own properties’ long-standing reliance on it. He mentioned ongoing efforts to classify campgrounds by category to nationalize data for better trend analysis. The panelists then discussed the prevalence of RV rentals. Kaleigh estimated that perhaps a third to half of their RV guests are in rentals, particularly Europeans, and noted a new trend of locals Airbnbing their trailers and motorhomes. Stephen estimated around 10% of his guests use rentals, often international travelers using companies like Cruise America, and also locals through RV Share. Mike Harrison identified a significant industry gap in connecting RV renters directly with campgrounds for destinations. Stephen shared his strategy of building relationships with local RV Share owners and delivery drivers, who then recommend his campground. Jeff Hoffman concurred, noting the RV rental market is relatively new (about four years old) and stressed the need for RV share operators to understand that their renters must still adhere to campground rules. The conversation briefly veered into sports rivalries, with Kaleigh from Seattle (Seahawks fan), Stephen from Pittsburgh (Steelers fan), and Jeff from Ohio (Browns fan), adding a lighthearted moment. Mike Harrison then steered the discussion to strategies for boosting revenues. Kaleigh explained that Surf Junction diversifies revenue by heavily promoting surf lessons and rentals, incentivizing staff to upsell, and increasing marketing spend when sales are low. Stephen Saint Fort, benefiting from the self-selling Black Hills area, promotes his campground by attending travel shows and being involved with tourism organizations, noting an influx of visitors from states where he’s attended shows. He also works on improving their social media presence and collaborating with local influencers. Jeff Hoffman advised new parks to use industry data to identify their specific market niche and consider hiring marketing firms for deep dives. For established campgrounds like his, he explained that growth is harder, now aiming for 8% rather than 10-15%. They target marketing efforts to attendees of camping shows within a three-hour drive and leverage Google Ads. As a KOA partner, his campground benefits from national marketing, allowing them to focus locally, including marketing to visitors of nearby attractions like Cedar Point amusement park and new sports facilities. In their parting words, Stephen Saint Fort thanked everyone, reiterated the diversity of campgrounds, and offered Kaleigh advice. Jeff Hoffman also expressed gratitude, emphasized that “every campground’s different,” and offered his consulting services for initial chats without cost. Kaleigh Day found it “awesome” to chat with fellow campground operators, appreciating the insights and camaraderie within their niche career. Mike Harrison concluded by thanking all guests for their time and passion, highlighting the amazing opportunities and community within the outdoor hospitality industry.
October 16, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 16th, 2024

In the October 16th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks opens the show with enthusiasm about upcoming changes to the program in 2025, including new topics and a revamped studio. The episode brings together a group of outdoor hospitality professionals, including campground owners and marketing experts, to discuss the challenges and opportunities in the industry. Regular guest Greg Emmert joins the conversation, along with special guests Danny Mulcahy, Stephanie Culver, Tim Dea, and Scott Cleveland, each contributing insights from their unique perspectives. Danny Mulcahy, president of USA Camping Company, shares his journey of growing his business from a single park in Florida to managing 13 parks across various states. His approach centers on providing high-quality outdoor experiences, focusing on properties near lakes, rivers, or other natural attractions. Danny discusses the delicate balance between creating a family-friendly atmosphere while managing the financial demands of running a large portfolio of parks. He emphasizes that guest experience is a priority, which guides decisions like investing in amenities such as viewing decks to enhance visitors’ stays. Tim Dea, of Rainbow Valley Campground in Edmonton, Alberta, explains how his campground operates alongside a ski hill, with the two businesses complementing each other seasonally. Tim notes that while the ski hill generates the bulk of his revenue in winter, the campground and summer operations offer significant potential. He shares the challenges of managing both aspects, particularly as summer draws to a close and preparations for the ski season begin. His focus has been on improving guest amenities, including new glamping domes, which reflect a broader trend in the industry towards offering unique experiences. Stephanie Culver, owner of Buzzworthy Property Management, speaks about her own campground ventures, including a groundbreaking ceremony for a new park in Texas. In addition to owning parks, she manages properties for other owners and stresses the importance of community involvement. She highlights how building strong relationships with local authorities and organizations, such as chambers of commerce, can ease regulatory challenges and foster goodwill. Stephanie also shares a personal story of a failed attempt to develop a park in West Virginia, where regulatory hurdles, including a massive infrastructure cost, ultimately led her to abandon the project. Scott Cleveland, director of marketing for USA Camping Company, discusses the importance of digital marketing in the modern campground industry. He explains how the company uses social media to build brand awareness and engage with potential guests. Scott notes that while it can be difficult to directly measure the return on investment from social media, the increase in organic search traffic and positive guest reviews demonstrate its long-term value. He also underscores the need for campgrounds to develop partnerships with local businesses, creating a mutually beneficial relationship that enhances the overall guest experience. The conversation touches on the regulatory challenges that often accompany campground expansion. Danny reflects on his experience in Oregon, where local regulations delayed a project by nearly three years. This led him to be more cautious about investing in highly regulated areas. Stephanie recounts her own struggles with federal requirements for a park in West Virginia, which ultimately became too costly to proceed. Both agree that working with local authorities early in the process is critical to avoid unforeseen obstacles. Another key theme of the discussion is the balance between providing memorable guest experiences and ensuring profitability. Danny shares how USA Camping Company weighs decisions about capital expenditures, often choosing projects that enhance the overall experience even if they don’t immediately generate revenue. Scott adds that guest satisfaction and word-of-mouth referrals can be just as valuable as direct marketing efforts, as they lead to repeat business and positive reviews. Tim also discusses the complexities of balancing different business operations, noting that while the ski hill brings in winter revenue, the campground requires its own attention and planning. He echoes the need for strategic investments that cater to both short-term visitors and long-term guests, drawing on his experience of operating in a highly seasonal environment. The episode concludes with a light-hearted exchange about hockey rivalries and upcoming industry events, including the OHIV show, where several of the guests plan to attend. Despite the challenges they face, all of the participants express optimism about the future of outdoor hospitality and the opportunities for continued growth and innovation. The conversation showcases the unique perspectives of campground owners and managers, highlighting the importance of balancing guest experience, community engagement, and regulatory compliance in a rapidly evolving industry.
October 9, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 9th, 2024

The October 9, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, featured guests Chris Jeub and Miguel Huerta, diving into a deep discussion about the Glamping Show and the broader outdoor hospitality industry. The conversation began with a light introduction, as Brian humorously shared his struggle with his camera setup before diving into the key topic: a recap of the recent Glamping Show in Aurora, Colorado. Both Chris and Miguel had attended, and they shared insights from their experiences at the show. The Glamping Show was described as an increasingly international event, with a notable rise in attendees from Latin America, which Miguel emphasized. He pointed out that many attendees were new to the industry, eager to learn the ropes of glamping operations. Miguel noted how the show’s exhibition space had grown, with more exhibitors and better facilities, despite the cold weather, which the event organizers had cleverly mitigated with enclosed walls for the tents. A key part of the conversation revolved around the attendees and their needs. Miguel highlighted how many people attending the show were industry rookies, looking to break into the glamping space. He also touched on the demand for more tailored education for those already running operations. Chris agreed, suggesting that the show could focus more on experienced operators and provide advanced content beyond the basics. He also noted the challenge of attendees who may feel the need to attend once but not return unless there’s fresh, advanced material. Marketing became a central theme, with Brian, Chris, and Miguel discussing its critical role in running a successful glamping business. Brian emphasized the importance of understanding the target audience, even before acquiring land or building accommodations. Marketing, in his view, is essential from the very start, shaping the success of a glamping operation. He pointed out that simply building accommodations is no longer enough in a post-COVID market where consumers have more choices. The panel agreed that marketing needs to be an ongoing, adaptable process. Miguel expanded on this by stressing that marketing is not just about spending money but about making smart, strategic investments. He shared data from Scott Bahr’s research, noting that while revenue in the glamping industry grew by 23% year-over-year, expenses rose by 39%, largely driven by marketing costs. He advised that operators must be prepared to allocate a significant portion of their revenue—up to 10%—for marketing efforts, including digital channels, which he noted had seen a decline in investment as operators sought alternative approaches like public relations and sponsorships. Chris contributed his perspective as a hands-on operator, explaining that his marketing strategy has shifted as his operation has evolved. He talked about the need to balance expectations with offerings, ensuring that guests receive what they anticipate based on the marketing they see. He emphasized that marketing should align with the reality of the experience offered, whether it’s luxury or a more rustic glamping experience. Chris also highlighted how direct bookings have become increasingly important, as they offer a better connection with guests and help reduce reliance on platforms like Airbnb. The conversation then turned toward the future of the Glamping Show itself. Both Chris and Miguel expressed excitement about its continued growth but emphasized the need for the event to evolve. They discussed the potential for the show to offer more niche content for seasoned operators, including those looking to expand or refine their operations. Miguel suggested that regional meetups and more targeted educational sessions could be beneficial for the industry, particularly as glamping becomes more sophisticated and segmented. As the discussion wrapped up, Miguel shared insights into the Latin American market, noting that WhatsApp plays a crucial role in managing bookings and communication with guests. He also touched on the unique challenges of running glamping sites in more remote locations, where maintenance costs and logistical issues can be higher. Brian closed the conversation by returning to the theme of creativity in marketing and operations. He reiterated that operators must continue to think strategically, not just in terms of immediate returns but long-term sustainability. He encouraged the use of new technologies, like AI, to optimize marketing efforts and reach the right audience. Miguel agreed, noting how tools like TikTok have dramatically shifted the landscape of digital marketing, with viral videos helping to drive significant traffic to glamping sites. In summary, the episode offered a thorough exploration of the Glamping Show and the evolving needs of the outdoor hospitality industry, with a particular focus on marketing strategies, the importance of understanding guest demographics, and the growing sophistication of glamping operations.
October 2, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 2nd, 2024

In the October 2, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, led a dynamic discussion live from the Glamping Show Americas in Denver. The show featured a stellar lineup of industry leaders and experts from various parts of the world, all sharing their perspectives on the growing glamping industry and its international reach. The panel included recurring guests Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo from the Mexican Glamping Association, Chris Jeub from Monument Glamping, and Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy. Special guests included Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, Jason Thawley of Tree Tent International, Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland, and a special appearance by William Clark from Fiji. The show began with each guest briefly introducing themselves. Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, which manages upscale luxury glamping and RV resorts, expressed his excitement about being part of the American Glamping Show again. He described the show as a “Christmas” for the glamping community, echoing sentiments from several panelists. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo, representing the Mexican Glamping Association, also described the event as a significant annual gathering, akin to a holiday, filled with excitement and innovation for the glamping world. Greg Emmert, a consultant with Camp Strategy, shared his enthusiasm for the diverse range of attendees and vendors from across the globe. Newcomer Jason Thawley, the founder of Tree Tent International, introduced his company’s unique suspended tree structures, which were being shown for the first time at the U.S. glamping show. Thawley expressed gratitude for the warm welcome his company received in the American market, noting that the U.S. glamping industry is highly organized, with business owners who have done their research and understand the market. He compared the U.S. show favorably to the UK glamping show, which he said doesn’t quite capture the same energy and diversity. Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland discussed the growth of her company and how their innovative geodesic domes have become popular worldwide, especially in the U.S. market. She shared that this was the third year in a row her company was exhibiting at the glamping show, and they were once again premiering new products, including a new camping tent and outdoor furniture line. Joanna spoke about FDomes’ dedication to supporting their clients throughout the entire process of setting up a glamping operation, emphasizing the importance of educating people about what glamping is, especially in countries like Poland, where the concept is still relatively new. Chris Jeub, the self-proclaimed “Glamping Guy,” shared his experiences operating a glamping site in Colorado. He reflected on the rapid growth of the industry, noting how five years ago, glamping was a term he had to explain to everyone. Today, glamping has exploded into a creative, dynamic industry with a wide variety of accommodation types, from domes to treehouses, container homes, and even buses. Chris emphasized the importance of creativity and flexibility in the glamping industry, as operators continue to innovate and create unique guest experiences. He also teased his upcoming educational course, “Easy Entry to Glamping Business,” which he plans to offer internationally to help aspiring glamping operators get started. The conversation then turned to Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, who shared insights about the emerging glamping market in Ecuador and other parts of Latin America. He explained that while the glamping industry in Ecuador is still in its infancy, there has been significant growth in recent years. Tomás described how his company has seen domes being used for a wide range of purposes, not just for glamping but also for schools, designer stores, and even churches. He noted that Ecuador’s more relaxed zoning laws for rural areas make it easier to establish glamping operations, offering significant potential for growth. However, he also pointed out that there is still a need for better business planning and operational expertise in the region, which presents an opportunity for development. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo highlighted the diversity of the attendees at the show, particularly the growing number of Latino and Latin American participants. He praised the inclusive atmosphere of the event and shared his thoughts on the evolution of the glamping industry in Mexico. He discussed how recent regulations in Mexico, such as limits on Airbnb rentals, are driving developers to invest in glamping sites instead. This shift, he said, will further boost the popularity of glamping in Mexico, especially in areas like the Firefly Sanctuary near Mexico City, where local guides and workers are now able to remain employed year-round thanks to glamping operations. A significant part of the discussion focused on the international expansion of glamping. The panelists explored how glamping has evolved in different countries, including challenges like regulatory hurdles, land use, and zoning laws. Chris Jeub and Greg Emmert discussed how U.S. states are beginning to embrace more flexible land-use laws, particularly with regards to accessory dwelling units (ADUs), which could help further the expansion of glamping operations. Greg Emmert pointed out that the glamping show has provided a platform for innovation, noting that some of the prices for glamping units have adjusted to more reasonable levels, making it easier for operators to build financially sustainable businesses. The conversation then touched on the global growth of glamping associations. Miguel Ángel Huerta shared his excitement about the Mexican Glamping Association’s progress and how other countries have expressed interest in creating their own associations. He joked about the possibility of a “Confederation of Glamping Associations” in the future but emphasized that the growing number of organizations dedicated to glamping reflects the industry’s increasing international appeal. At this point, William Clark from Fiji posed an important question about the possibility of forming an international glamping association. He highlighted how an international organization could help link the various national associations and provide a platform for sharing information, resources, and best practices. The panelists agreed that while forming a global association would be challenging due to the vast differences in regulations and market conditions across countries, there is immense value in fostering better communication and collaboration between existing national organizations. The discussion also touched on labor and staffing challenges in rural and remote areas. Mike Harrison pointed out that while staffing has been a challenge for many hospitality operators, the glamping industry provides a unique opportunity to foster a sense of community and connection. He emphasized that passion, drive, and a love for hospitality are more important than formal education in succeeding in this industry. Miguel Ángel Huerta noted that in Latin America, labor costs are lower, and workers often live near the glamping sites, which can add a personal touch to the guest experience. To wrap up the episode, Brian Searl asked the panelists to share their thoughts on how to inspire passion for hospitality in staff and employees. Mike Harrison responded that while passion cannot be taught, it can be inspired through leadership and fostering a culture of enthusiasm for hospitality. He emphasized the importance of education and creating opportunities for learning, whether through in-person events like the glamping show or online resources like the American Glamping University, which offers comprehensive courses on setting up and running glamping operations. The episode concluded with a sense of excitement about the future of the glamping industry, both in the U.S. and internationally. The panelists expressed optimism about the continued growth of glamping as a global phenomenon, driven by innovation, creativity, and a shared passion for providing unique, memorable outdoor experiences. The glamping show, with its diverse array of products and ideas, was described as a hub of inspiration and networking, bringing together people from all corners of the world to share their knowledge and passion for this rapidly evolving industry.
September 25, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 25th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats on September 25, 2024, hosted by Brian Searl, a vibrant conversation unfolded with prominent guests from the RV Industry. The discussion brought together Becky Goodell, CEO of Blacksford RV Rentals; Nika Shneyder, co-founder of Chill RV ; along with regular contributors like Eleonore Hamm, President of the RV Dealers Association (RVDA) of Canada; Phil Ingrassia, President of the RVDA; and Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance. The episode kicked off with introductions from the panel, where Eleonore Hamm shared insights into the RVDA of Canada’s strategic goals focusing on advocacy, education, and industry intelligence. She emphasized how these industry conversations help to provide valuable updates about the current state of the RV sector. Becky Goodell, CEO of Blacksford RV Rentals, followed, sharing her journey to Elkhart, Indiana, where she was exploring new RV models from major manufacturers like Thor and Winnebago. Becky emphasized how her company, a premium RV rental business, focuses on delivering luxury experiences in locations like Yellowstone, Glacier, and Teton National Parks, with expansions underway in Las Vegas and Phoenix. Nika Shneyder of Chill RV provided a look into her family-run business, which offers luxury RV rentals in Los Angeles. She detailed how the business started in 2016 and has since managed over 2,000 reservations. Both Becky and Nika underscored the demand for high-quality, full-service RV rentals. Despite the broader market fluctuations, ChillRV’s fleet of 16 luxury RVs has faced some softening demand compared to the post-pandemic boom, though the luxury sector, particularly in the RV world, remains largely stable. Phil Ingrassia and Susan Carpenter joined the conversation from the ongoing RV Open House in Elkhart, where manufacturers showcase their latest products to dealers. Phil highlighted that this year’s theme revolved around innovation and affordability, with electric and hybrid RV models taking center stage. Thor Industries, for example, showcased a hybrid electric motorhome that sparked considerable interest among attendees. Susan, reporting from the same event, echoed Phil’s optimism and pointed out that despite challenging weather, spirits remained high at the RVDA Open House Breakfast, which saw standing-room-only attendance. A significant part of the conversation centered around the evolving landscape of RV rentals. Becky and Nika emphasized how their companies prioritize customer service, offering full packages that include unlimited mileage, roadside assistance, and the promise of seamless experiences. Becky, representing Blacksford, illustrated how they ensure their clients have everything they need for their trips, from linens to kitchen supplies, while also spending ample time training customers on RV use, especially for first-time renters. Nika echoed similar sentiments, emphasizing that providing premium service is what differentiates her business from peer-to-peer platforms like Outdoorsy or RVShare. The discussion turned to the challenges of navigating peer-to-peer rental platforms, with Becky and Nika both acknowledging their initial reliance on such platforms to grow their businesses. However, both have since developed their independent booking systems. They highlighted the risks associated with peer-to-peer rentals, such as last-minute cancellations or inconsistent vehicle quality, stressing the importance of customer trust and guaranteed support from established businesses. On the industry front, Eleonore Hamm spoke about how the Canadian RV market is faring, and the group discussed the implications of interest rates and economic factors on RV sales. While some regions and sectors see a softening in demand, the luxury market, especially in RV rentals and resorts, seems to be weathering economic challenges better than expected. Phil Ingrassia added that consumers remain interested in innovative and affordable options, and manufacturers are responding with new models that cater to both high-end buyers and more budget-conscious customers. The panel also explored the rising trend of RV rentals for festivals like Burning Man. Nika shared how ChillRV has found a profitable niche serving Burning Man attendees, despite the potential wear and tear on vehicles. While Becky mentioned Blacksford’s hesitance to cater to Burning Man due to insurance issues, Nika explained that careful preparation and premium pricing have made this market highly lucrative for her company. As the episode wrapped up, the focus shifted to future growth and expansion. Becky discussed how Blacksford is looking to scale its operations while maintaining its premium service standards. The challenge, she noted, lies in finding the right manufacturers and financing options to support their growing fleet. Nika expressed similar aspirations for ChillRV, sharing her plans to expand services at future festivals, including offering a more comprehensive experience with extra amenities and support for clients. In closing, Susan Carpenter shared updates from the RV Women’s Alliance, announcing their latest charity collaboration and highlighting the upcoming awards program that celebrates trailblazers and rising stars in the RV industry. The discussion ended on a hopeful note, with the panelists looking forward to future industry events, including the upcoming RV Dealers Convention in Las Vegas, where further industry insights and opportunities will be explored. Overall, the episode captured the optimism and innovation driving the RV industry forward, despite current market challenges, with an emphasis on quality service, customer trust, and adapting to evolving market demands.
September 18, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 18th, 2024

The September 18th, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats brought together a group of campground owners, RV park investors, and outdoor hospitality experts for a lively discussion on industry trends, challenges, and strategies for success. Hosted by Brian Searl, the panel included regulars like Ali Rasmussen (Spacious Skies Campgrounds), Tom Mason (Ivy Group), Joe Duemig (App My Community), Rachel Williamson (KCN Campgrounds), and Greg Emmert (Camp Strategy). Special guests included Sarah Krause (Kinney Lake Campground), Zachary Cooper (Blue Metric Group), and Peter Bingeman (Country Gardens RV Park). Each speaker offered unique insights into campground operations, investment strategies, and enhancing the guest experience. Ali Rasmussen kicked off the introductions by sharing her experience managing 15 campgrounds across various states. She explained that Spacious Skies had temporarily paused acquisitions to focus on streamlining operations and developing a more efficient management system. This move, she said, was crucial to ensuring long-term growth and sustainability for the company. Peter Bingeman, with 50 years of experience managing 4,500 sites across three properties, also shared his approach to hands-on management and the value of maintaining family-run operations. The conversation quickly shifted to RV park investments, led by Zachary Cooper of Blue Metric Group. Zachary detailed how his company strategically focuses on acquiring RV parks in tax-friendly states like Tennessee and across the southeastern U.S. He stressed the importance of vertical integration, with Blue Metric managing the parks they acquire to maximize efficiency and profitability. Zachary emphasized that their acquisition strategy relies on dealing directly with sellers, targeting family-owned operations, and choosing parks near permanent assets like lakes or national parks. Tom Mason from Ivy Group and Greg Emmert of Camp Strategy offered further insights into managing multiple properties. Tom discussed the challenges of keeping both seasonal and short-term guests satisfied, highlighting how third-party management and building strong partnerships had contributed to Ivy Group’s success. Greg echoed similar thoughts, noting that understanding the unique dynamics of each campground is essential for effective management. Both stressed the importance of thorough market research before making operational changes or acquisitions. Sarah Krause, representing Kinney Lake Campground, contributed by discussing the critical need for infrastructure improvements, especially at older parks. She shared her experience overseeing three campgrounds in Wisconsin, where upgrading electric and sewer systems had been vital to enhancing the guest experience. Sarah also touched on the challenges of managing on-site restaurants at campgrounds, emphasizing that these services should be viewed as amenities rather than primary revenue sources. Food and beverage services became a major talking point, with Sarah, Tom, and Peter sharing their strategies. Sarah noted that all three of her parks had restaurants and concession stands, which create a resort-like atmosphere for guests. However, she acknowledged the difficulties in maintaining profitability, especially in rural areas where food costs and labor are unpredictable. Peter agreed, stating that while his parks offer basic food services like snack shacks, they are seen more as guest amenities than major profit centers. Ali added to this by sharing Spacious Skies’ approach of partnering with local food trucks, which allows them to offer diverse dining options without the complexities of running in-house restaurants. Zachary also highlighted how Blue Metric Group has successfully used food trucks to engage the local community and enhance the guest experience without stretching operational resources too thin. These strategies, the panel agreed, help balance guest satisfaction with operational efficiency. Technology was another significant theme. Joe Duemig discussed how his platform, App My Community, helps campgrounds streamline operations. The app allows features like maintenance requests, real-time feedback, and activity sign-ups, reducing staff workloads and improving guest satisfaction. Joe also mentioned that some campgrounds are using the app to manage day passes, which helps prevent overcrowding of amenities like pools and hiking trails by allowing guests to book specific time slots. The panel explored the pros and cons of offering day-use passes for campground amenities. Tom Mason and Greg Emmert noted that they had experienced issues with overcrowding and complaints from overnight guests when day-use visitors were allowed. However, Ali and Peter shared a more positive view, especially in parks with larger natural features. Ali explained that managing day-use capacity and offering passes only on certain days helps balance the needs of both day-use visitors and campers, while also building relationships with the local community. The episode concluded with a discussion on the importance of community engagement and supporting campground associations. Peter Bingeman, a former president of both provincial and national associations in Canada, stressed the vital role these organizations play in providing resources and advocacy for campground owners. Ali and Zachary echoed this, emphasizing their commitment to maintaining state association memberships and collaborating with industry peers to stay informed on trends and best practices. In summary, the September 18th episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive look at the outdoor hospitality industry’s evolving landscape. From investment strategies and operational challenges to guest experience enhancements and community engagement, the panelists offered valuable insights and advice for campground owners, investors, and operators looking to thrive in this dynamic sector.
September 11, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 11th, 2024 

This is MC Fireside Chats, a weekly show featuring conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts who share their insights to help your business succeed. Hosted by Brian Searle, the founder and CEO of Insider Perks. Empowered by insights from Modern Campground, the most innovative news source in the industry. Greg Emert: All right, and after three unsuccessful attempts to start that and a little bit of teasing with the intro video, here we are live. Thanks, everybody, for joining us for this week’s MC Fireside Chats. I am your guest host, Greg Emert. I’m the co-founder of Camp Strategy. We are an end-to-end solution, and we do consulting for campgrounds and landfronts across the United States. We’re based in Ohio. I’m happy to be here as your guest host today. And joining me, I have an esteemed panel of guests, both recurring and special for this week. So why don’t we take a trip around the board, and let’s just go around Brady Bunch style. We’ll start with Susan, make our way to Gordon, and then keep going around the board. So Susan, give us an introduction. Tell us a little bit about who you are and where you’re from. Susan Smith: Well, I’m Susan Smith. I’m in Wimberley, Texas, which is about 30 minutes east of Austin. And I am the owner and operator of Senya on Lone Man Creek, which is a glamping site. And it’s one unit and it’s kind of a little Africa in the Texas Greg Emert: And that sounds lovely. And by little African, you mean that the safari tents are very African in nature, correct? You don’t mean that you have, there are no rhinos, lions, elephants? All right. As little as that would be. I would, I would sign up for that if there was like a no trampling clause in there somewhere, but I. Yeah. Susan Smith: No, just Texas animals. All right. Fair enough. Greg Emert: Well, those are beautiful as well. And so moving on now to Gordon, who I believe is also Gordon Cook: How y’all doing? Gordon Cook. I have Al’s Hideaway Cabin and RV Park, named after my wife’s grandfather that was from the area. We built it. We run it. It’s all family owned, operated. We have 12, 13 cabins now, 13 long cabins, two belt tents, 10 RV spaces and an old school bus. here on the property that we’re in now. And I’m sitting right now in our big 60 by 40 outdoor pavilion with a fireplace, big outdoor kitchen over there, swimming pool, pool table, all that. And I’m located in Pike Creek, Texas, which is between San Antonio and Bandera on Highway 16, not far from Wimberley. Greg Emert: Lovely. So, y’all are neighbors at this point, Susan and Gordon. All right. Well, maybe next time we can get a tour of that. Gordon, that sounds beautiful. We’ll have to get you next time. We’ll get that camera mobile and we’ll take a look at all that stuff, because it sounds like you’ve got quite the eclectic mix of accommodations, which I’m looking forward to talking to you about. That school bus sounds interesting. Yeah. So moving on, Angele, thank you for joining us today. Tell us a little bit about you and where you’re from. Angele Miller: Hi, everyone. I’m happy to be here today. And I am in Atlantic Canada. and I’m a co-founder of a resort called Creekside R&R Glamping. We’re an award-winning resort and we offer nature experiences where we have geodesic domes in nature, we have 10 accommodation on site, up to a lobster fishing boat accommodation as well, which is kind of new for us and very beautiful and fun. And we also have a Nordic spa, a meditation yoga center, and many activities as well on site from canoeing, paddle boarding, kayaking, fat bikes, you know, all that fun stuff. So really happy to be here joining everyone today. Greg Emert: Lovely. That sounds like an amazing place. Like I was saying, before we got in the room, I’m interested to talk to you a little bit about the conservation side of what you do, because I think that’s something that maybe gets overlooked sometimes. It’s more so accepted in Glamping, I think, than it is RV parks, which is sort of my strong suit. You know, you see a lot of RV parks, they look like a city built under trees, and they sort of lean away from the reason that I think a lot of people get into it, to enjoy nature, but sort of safely on their own terms, right? Like some people are still petrified when they see a spider, but they want to go camping in places where there are spiders because that means they have trees and blue skies, right? And so I applaud you for doing that. I think that’s something that people need more in the industry and out of it. Moving on, Chris, is these Chris Jeub: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Greg Emert: Yeah, I don’t know why I’m the host if we literally have a guest. Chris Jeub: So tell us about the domain was available and I picked it up. That’s a good name. Good. I run Monument Lamping out of Monument, Colorado. We have two properties. I’ve taken a step back this last year and really solidified the permitting that was required on both the properties. So I have only eight units open right now, but that was a step back from 13 we had at the most in the past couple of years. But we’re permitted for 36. So I’m locked and loaded to really develop. So we’re eyeballs up in in permitting and are not permitting but land development site development is what they call it in the the government bureau, the bubbleheads like to call it that. But I also run GlampingGuy, GlampingGuy.com, and that’s my educational arm. I’ve been doing it for about a year. I just launched a podcast myself. You can see it at GlampingGuy.com. I just finished my third interview of a glamper out in Shenandoah Valley. Honestly, all of you could be guests on the Glamping Guy podcast. Because the series that I’m going through is called the Glamping Masters. They’re people who are really walking the walk and doing really, that’s honestly what I wanted to have when I was starting off and clunking along and not knowing what I was doing. Just feeling like, man, if I could just be a fly on a wall of somebody who’s doing what I think I’m doing right. And that’s what I’m hoping to have Glamping Guide be, is that, hey, here’s your opportunity to peer inside the lives of glampers and see how they’re building safe, legal, and profitable glamping operations on their private property. Greg Emert: Well, what a wonderful and Chris, I’m going to guess I know you’ve got a an education background, so that kind of slides perfectly into what you’re trying to do there, right? To educate folks about glamping and your experience. Chris Jeub: I left English teaching to do glamping. Greg Emert: All right, well, but you’re still in the educational realm, right? Because you can’t get rid of that, but it sounds. Can’t help myself. It’s a bug I just can’t get rid of. you have also always had a bit of a serial entrepreneurship because you even took your educational side and turned it into entrepreneurship, right? So wonderful. You saw a need and filled it. Chris Jeub: That’s great. The market calls. You just can’t ignore it. Greg Emert: That’s right. And I’m sure as everyone here is an entrepreneur, you know that once you get into it, it’s really hard to go back to anything else, regardless of what you may have done in your former life. It’s a bug that bites you and you’re kind of stuck with it. and a Good for you, man. That’s awesome. So I think we’ll circle back at some point here, because I have a feeling everybody’s going to have those development growing pains type stories. And maybe you can speak to what you’ve been going through recently. And last, but of course, very, very much not least, we have Tess from Ranchlands. And Tess, thank you for joining us. Tell us a little bit about where you’re from and what you’re doing. Tess Leach: Yeah, thanks for having me, Greg. I just relocated to north central Wyoming. We moved from Colorado, actually right down the road from you in Monument. And we are large-scale ranch managers. We run ranches across the West. And on many of those ranches, we also run hospitality operations. We have just opened our newest location here on the Paint Rock Canyon Ranch. in Hyattville, Wyoming, a town of about 79 people is what’s on the population side. But we have about 80,000 acres on the ranch, and then it backs up to BLM Forest Service, and we guide trips up into the mountains from working on the ranch, workshops with writers, artists, sportsmanship instructors, just masters at their craft based out of safari style tents that we have set up alongside the paint rot creek. We are doubling our number of tents next year to 14 and really putting all of our emphasis on this new property that we have up here in Wyoming as we transition out of Colorado. So yeah, I mean it’s different in that we don’t offer one-night stays. Guests come for five nights or more, and it’s an all-inclusive sort of thing. But we’ve been operating for 25 years with guests and really feel so grateful to be able to do it into the future. Greg Emert: Yeah, and I looked and I think we’re just going to jump right in and test. I’m going to stick with you because I think your property is really unique. Before we do, though, of course, I want to thank our sponsors this week, which is Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. Scott and his team of outdoor hospitality experts over there really lead an excellent organization. So if anyone is watching and interested in third party management for your camping or glamping property, highly recommend checking out Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. There we go. Now, this is the part where I wait for, I think they’re going to send me like $20 for something so nice. I’ll probably be waiting on that. I don’t think I’m going to get that today. But I would like to go back to Tess. Tess, I was looking at your properties earlier. And I think, you know, we spoke a little bit earlier to, I was speaking backstage, and just some of the uniqueness that glamping really taps into, you know, it is Campgrounds are learning the experiential side of hospitality, but glampgrounds, I think, are sort of forced to do it, right? Because you can get a pretty piece of property and put tents on it, but what do I want to go there for, right? Are you near something? What are you offering that brings someone in? Or you want to talk about unique experiences. You have found a way to sort of tie in the conservation of ranching, which is, as you point out well on your website, and most people probably know, it’s sort of a… It’s a dying industry, right? There are fewer and fewer young people staying in it, and it’s not something that people look at as a business or lifestyle that much anymore. Things have sort of shifted digital, but you have found a way to promote it via your stays. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to the realization that by bringing people out, putting them on your land, you could not just drive revenue, but also drive awareness for your industry? Tess Leach: Yeah. Yeah, well, that I mean, that is exactly where it came from. My dad grew up ranching in Mexico and moved to the US during college, and worked for an old school ranching family in eastern Colorado, managing properties And one day he was meeting with, the guy’s name was Dale, Dale. And Dale said, well, I think, Duke, that we need to look at hospitality. And his response was, you know, over my dead body. I’m a rancher. I don’t want to be dealing with city slickers coming out and, you know, getting in the way of everything. And then fast forward many years later, he leased a large ranch outside of Colorado Springs. the first thing you look to to pay the lease was hospitality, in addition to revenue from livestock. So for us, it’s ranchland stay is what we call our hospitality arm, has really been a solution to being able to stay on the land and stay competitive with the lease rates. And so it’s one of the number one things that we do on the property that we manage if the owners are interested. And then on the other side, Greg, to your point, it’s an amazing way to communicate the realities of ranching and the importance of ranching to conservation to the general public that lives, I think 98% of the population lives in urban centers. So getting people out to come to a poetry workshop or an art workshop, but they’re painting cattle and horses and interacting land, creating that relationship has really gone a long way in creating a community that looks at our industry differently and, you know, gives us hope that it might last into the future. Greg Emert: Yeah, what a wonderful approach. It’s and I applaud you for finding that because I think sometimes, you know, we and I know I did this. My parents bought a campground when I was 20 and they were like, you want to be a part of it? And I said, sure. And I thought, Well, I’ll get to camp. Yeah, I was just an idiot, right? So then within a year, I realized, no, what I was actually going to do was work harder than I ever thought possible. We did that for 26 years. But for the last 10 or so, I got to steer the ship. And I thought, jeez, if I’m going to do this, I want to go to work someplace that I really enjoy being and someplace that I want to be. So I selfishly started turning it into more of a conservation-based theme, right? And we led hikes. And because I’m just a nerd, and I want to share everything beautiful in nature with the world you have found a way to do that very much with you know with your industry and there’s nothing selfish about it at all do what you love right and and you never work a day in your life okay we all know that’s garbage you’re gonna work really hard still however you’re gonna enjoy it more right and so that um that kind of leads me back over through to Angele’s property where she is leaning really hard into the nature side of it. And since we’re talking experiential, why don’t we go there for a minute. Angele, why don’t you tell us how you How do you lean into that and how do you sort of attract that demographic? Is it through your marketing? Do you make sure to tell these folks, hey, this is what you’re getting into? Or do you find that people come there and then sort of fall into it once they arrive? Angele Miller: Yeah, for sure. I mean, that’s a really good question, you know, and I think for us, it really has to do a lot with the marketing as well, more than, you know, people coming. I mean, there are some people for sure that will book, maybe because they are in their region, and they’re looking for accommodation. And then, they kind of get that experience. But for us, it’s really the core of what we created. So we really do show that through our marketing and, you know, how we’ve been introducing our resort. We’ve really been targeting a lot of people that, you know, they they’re maybe in the city and, you know, we have busy lives and we want them to be able to go and in nature and have that experience and really relax but also with the amenities they would be used to in their home resort style amenities uh in nature so that’s uh what we’re really focusing on here uh and we’re really highlighting uh the beauty of the the nature in the region like we’ve really work hard to keep all the trees, you know, everywhere. You know, we have a lot of apple trees, cherry bushes, you know, blackberries, everything. And we’ve really made sure to keep that through the property so that the wildlife comes in. So we have a lot of deer and little foxes and like you know uh raccoons and other cute animals but they uh you know and the guests you know it’s become a thing too that when they come they love that experience and they get so excited if they see a deer or something they’ll send us a message and say oh look what I saw and they’ll send a picture uh but it was a really big part of us when we built the resort is to preserve that and really show that uh that we are that type we’ve been attracting so the city and some people to get out of the city or to go in nature and work uh in a dome so we say why work from home when you can work in a dome so we do that you know great tag yeah great tagline so they come and they enjoy um the experience and you know we’ve really made sure we preserve all the bird habitats so we have so many different bird habitats there like you know we have a lot of eagles but we have a lot of blue herons that nest right in our creek where we are, and so many different birds, it’s unbelievable. So it’s really fun, you know, so people when they come, they really get that nature experience, but we’re still not far from a city, you know, we’re just 30 minutes, but we’ve really worked hard to bring that experience and really keep nature alive, you know, through the resort for sure. Greg Emert: Yeah, that’s wonderful. I think I just, I love hearing stories about owners incorporating what they’re passionate into, into that experiential side, because, you know, all the market data shows us that the things that glampers expect Sadly, the top one is Wi-Fi, but whatever. I want it too when I’m out. I hate to say it. There are certain trips that I grab my backpack and I head down a trail, and when I see there’s no more signal, I go, OK, I’ve arrived where I want to stay. There’s an awful lot of trips where I still need that connectivity. So they need their Wi-Fi and their resort level accommodations, which you touched on is very important. But also, it’s that experience. What can you give them when they get out there? You and Tess definitely have a unique approach to that. And Susan, you’ve got a bit of a unique approach to it too, because, you know, bringing a bit of Africa to Texas is quite a unique approach, whether or not you have the elephants. Why don’t you tell us a little bit about your operation and what you do there to sort of define the guest experience and maybe some of the unique things that you do there to build on that, that builds that connection for the guests where they want to come back and repeat. Susan Smith: Sure. A lot of our guests are return guests. Anniversaries, engagements, people come to work. We do have Wi-Fi. We don’t have TV. This is the TV out here. I’m actually on the porch of the tent. But Senya is a custom-made African authentic tent. And it has a big king-size bed with down cushions, Nespresso coffee maker, clawfoot bathtub, outside shower, which is wonderful, and a hot tub. We’re right on the creek and there’s a seasonal waterfall. So similar to what you are talking about, people come here because it’s beautiful. We’re kind of on top of the hill and the trees. You can hear the birds and see the sunset and the sunrise, um, hear the roosters and the coyotes. Um, but people just come here to be quiet and get out of the hectic rat race, um, just to come and reconnect with each other. So we also have massage therapists that come in that do coupled massage or spa treatments. Um, so it’s just kind of lovely, quiet. know, recharge plates that we offer. And I love it. I love sharing it with people. Greg Emert: And that’s really key, right? If you if you are an owner that enjoys sharing that opportunity with somebody else, it’s sort of the difference between you know, maybe a fisherman and a fishing guide, right? That fishing guide, he might like to go fishing, but my goodness, the joy that you get out of standing there and watching somebody else hook up when they’ve been trying all day, because you get to share the experience. It’s very much what you’re describing, and it is, it’s, I know for me, it’s also very, very rewarding, even though I’m not in that business anymore. Susan Smith: It is. Yeah. Go right ahead, please. I think it’s one of the best places about having Senya for me. I also have a vegetable garden. People can get veggies and herbs and cook. And most of the return guests we know and sometimes we text back and forth. So it’s just it’s great for everybody. It’s just a great spirit, calm place for people to come and take a little bit back to real life, hopefully. Greg Emert: Absolutely. And speaking of unique, we’re going to move down now to Gordon, because Gordon, I said before we started, Gordon wins. best hat, best beard, best background for the year, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t know what Brian’s going to say when he gets back, but Gordon, you got it all going on there, man. Tell us a little bit about, you mentioned some really unique accommodations, I believe you said a schoolie, their converted school bus as well. Tell us a little bit about your unique accommodations and sort of how you arrived at adding them. Maybe before we start, how much of your property is RV versus how much is glamping and accommodations? Gordon Cook: Not a lot of it’s RVs. Like I said, I only have 10 RV space. We kept it real small, and we’ve done that for a reason, you know. Smaller, less crowd, less rules, more relaxation you have. But we have 10 RV spaces, 12 log cabins that look down into the meadow, and I’ve got one log cabin up here that kind of overlooks the hills and everything. then the old schoolies back there in the woods and then we got two bell tents back over here and then back back by the creek back here we got a teepee actual real teepee back there that you can camp in or camp around and hang out in or whatever but when we bought the we bought raw property and we come out here and we spent five, six months just camping, actually camping on the property, clearing, cleaning, trying to figure an idea of what we had, the layout we wanted to do, and we saved every tree that we could, and it’s worked out great. We have a lot of guests that come from the San Antonio area, Austin, Houston, Dallas, And they come to get away from the city, the noise. And it’s really, we got really lucky. I don’t know if y’all are familiar. I know Susan is. There’s a lot of exotic ranches in the Texas Hill Country. That’s where we’re at in the Texas Hill Country. There’s a lot of exotic ranches. Well, just like any other ranch with animals, they get loose. So if you’re sitting down there in one of your cabins and drinking your coffee in the morning and you look up and a bighorn sheep comes walking through the meadow, don’t call to wake me up. You’re going to see zebras, you’ll see camels, bighorn sheep, axis deer are everywhere. I’m sure y’all got plenty of axis deer just In fact, the hunting season on access here, there is no season there. It’s open hunt on them. Monkeys, we got the lemurs, the little monkey from Madagascar. They’re running loose out here. The ring-tailed cats are running loose out here. And because of that, when I cleared my property and built the campground, I put in two large aerobic septic systems. If you’re not familiar with aerobic, what an aerobic septic system is, it’s basically a water treatment plant underground. And it’s got water sprinklers. So we go through a drought. We’re in drought just about year round out here. Every five, six years we get a little bit of rain. But with my aerobic system, that waters, I got a seven acre meadow down there that’s opened up and all the cabins are lined along the outside of it and the RVs are up here looking down at it, but I got 20 water sprinklers heads out there that water my meadow. So I pretty much get to mow year round. I’m probably the only person in Texas Hill Country that gets to mow year round. Greg Emert: My goodness. Yeah, that’s a unique attraction right there. Green grass. I think you could market that probably. Gordon Cook: We just mowed this morning. After I cleared, I went back and I planted the native ryegrass for the deer, for all the animals and stuff that come through here. Turkeys, we got a flock of turkeys. There’s about 60 turkeys in a flock. I mean, when they come parading through, the show is on. And people just love sitting up on their porches and watching. And I got Armadillo, I got one Armadillo out here, the state record. Biggest Armadillo you ever seen in your life. He is huge. You better not leave the keys in your car, he’ll take it to town. Greg Emert: Now if you could send a few of those, you said zebras and camels, you send a couple Susans, Wayne, she really does have an African plains experience. Yeah, they’re in Texas. I mean she’s right up the road. She don’t have them because there’s a lot of exotic Yeah, the the the Texotics is uh is definitely a thing down there, isn’t it? Gordon Cook: And they get loose. I mean they get out. Greg Emert: They sure do. They sure do. Gordon Cook: So, they trap them, catch them, put them back up. They get right, they get out. Greg Emert: They get right back out again. And so, Chris, tell us a little bit about your place. I want to start on your offerings and sort of the same thing, like how you differentiate yourself, what’s your unique experience or your value prop there. And then I do want to talk a little bit about your expansion, your permitting, because I think that’s going to be pretty valuable to a lot of the folks watching today. I am sure that anyone out there who’s built something or is expanding something either has a migraine or has had a migraine from the the permitting and the entitlement process. Chris Jeub: Yeah, I started. I had no idea about permitting. I fell into glamping by accident. Greg Emert: Your mic might be off, Chris. Are you still… I don’t have you muted. Chris Jeub: I thought I did. Can you hear me now? Greg Emert: Yeah. I don’t hear you. Chris Jeub: Nope. Can everyone else hear me? Greg Emert: and Chris Jeub: I didn’t have this figured all out. And so, however, I got into trouble, but I got out of trouble. And I really started just working it and making sure. Oh, someone else. Wait a minute, Greg. Can everyone hear me? Angele Miller: Yeah. Chris Jeub: Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think it is on your end, Greg. So someone text Greg. Because I see it coming up in the text. I’m just rolling with it. Okay, we’re gonna keep going. Anyway. So, however, that journey has been very educational, and really enlightening, and profitable. I think the money is what’s drawn me into it, you might say. However, I really resonated with what some of you are saying. I think it was Was it you Tess or Susan? I can’t remember who said it, but you, you said something like you really enjoy. It’s almost like an adrenaline rush, isn’t it? When, when people come to your property and then you give them a good time and they, they just had, they’re blown away and they just, I could go on and on with stories about how the, the young couple, the, the mom, dad, couple kids, the, the, the people who come to the property and just are, have a wonderful time. It’s something that just blooms in me and my wife. We really have discovered a love for hospitality we didn’t know we had before we got into it. And then we start legitimizing our business and start building and creating more venues and more experiences for people. I’m at the point right now where I am becoming more and more unique. Some of you are really unique and you found your groove. I feel like I’m still finding my groove because I’ve modeled some of the big guys, the big dogs, and I don’t know if that was such a good idea. Like the whole idea of glamorous camping, the pampered camping, the food and beverage, the spas and the saunas, I just kind of envied all of them. And I don’t know if that’s really who I am. My wife and I are kind of rebranding Monument Glamping and being hassle-free camping, meaning it’s still a luxurious stay. You still get the queen size bed and you get the propane stove, but everything’s done for you. Just show up with your food and beverage and have a nice outdoor experience. And that has been how we’re kind of transitioning and that’s 2025’s Monument Glamping brand is hassle-free camping. You’re outdoors. You’re close enough to civilization. You’re not out in the boonies. And where, you know, where people might be afraid to be outdoors and be afraid to come camping. But they’re really just local. I mean, we’re really a stone’s throw away from town. And people like that. The avatar that I’m trying to attract, they really do enjoy that. It’s more of the staycationer. than the rugged outdoorsman who was kind of like me. I kind of built the campground for me rather than for the market. The market really is for people who are busting out of Dodge, busting out of Colorado Springs, busting out of Denver, and they just want to have a nice experience outdoors with their loved one, and then I’m there ready to accommodate for them. That’s who Brendi and I really like. We really don’t like the howdy-towdy types that want everything done for them. We don’t really like those kinds of guests. We like the kind of guests who are some of our favorite guests, like a single dad who has custody of his kids for the weekend. Boom. We’re all over that. We love it. Hey, stay in the tent, ride the zipline, play in the creek. That’s what we would like versus the honeymooner who really does expect more than we’re willing to give. And that to me is really where I’m at personally in trying to address a market need, the glamping groove that I’m trying to get into. Greg Emert: That’s really excellent that you point that out because I think it’s very important to build. You want to build the property that you want to be at because you’re going to be there working it. Even if you’ve got somebody like Horizon, today’s sponsor of the show, if I can throw that in. Even if you’ve got somebody like them and they’re running the third party for you, you’re going to have to work this thing at some point. It’s not going to be totally hands-off, right? You want to have someplace that you enjoy going, that the experience that you provide, you enjoy providing. Otherwise, those 10-hour days feel like 30-hour days. You feel like there’s no respite if you’re constantly providing something to a guest that you just don’t enjoy. So really, congratulations on discovering that, because I think that takes a long time for some people. They end up feeling like, Well, that guy is really successful. I just want to be like that guy. And they don’t take away what’s really important from that guy, which is how they found their way to being successful. They think you just you take that person’s recipe, you add other ingredients, and then it’s going to work for me. And it doesn’t always work that way, as you just so well put it. Chris Jeub: Yeah, and let me piggyback on that, because it kind of took me five years to figure this out. I feel like almost an idiot. Why didn’t I come up with this five years ago? Because it would have been awesome. But I already mentioned the single dad. That was a real situation. He didn’t know what to do with his kids the weekend, and he rented my place, and it turned out to be the time of their lives. And that just almost moves me to tears, because it’s like, man, I’ve really filled a need. On the other adverse fact, I got a couple from Chicago and they just raked me personally, like to my face. They called me in and they said how bad the place was and we expected this and we expected that. It was such a bad experience as a host. But then we were, Wendy and I kind of talked about it and said, do we really want people like this here? Maybe not. And so why are we branding ourselves as this beautiful, glamorous camping, glamorous glamping site? Um, love much like, um, like I’m trying to think of, uh, um, open sky, you know, open sky will blow all of our minds. I bet, man, it’s just a beautiful place and five star hotel type of place. Um, that ain’t me. It’s just a doc. And I don’t really want to be that. And so that it’s a bit of kind of like addressing the market with a little bit of humility. You know, like I’m not going to be like these people. But honestly, that’s actually a sweet spot to find when you can figure out that you are your unique self. And people here are coming here for an experience, a Monument Glamping experience. and um and they get did they do get a big piece of chris and wendy jupe you know we we make we make homemade wine we make homemade kombucha we we put together these little these camping packs we call color cookouts and things like that so you do get a little bit of our personality when you come even though we don’t You know, we’re not camping down there with you. But it is a little bit of, they want to experience who their hosts are to an extent. And I believe we’re getting better and better at providing that. And our reviews are getting better from that. When we finally made that decision, it was a few months ago, we were assimilating to this decision. Some of our messaging and our emails and how we respond to people and how we greet people has been adjusting to, instead of blowing your mind with this five-star hotel type of thing, we are, hey, don’t You don’t have to bring your camping supplies. We’ve got those for you. That’s been kind of our language, our discussion, our rapport. It’s gotten better. Our Google reviews have gone up and our Airbnb and all of our reviews have been better because of that. Greg Emert: Yeah, you offer an authentic experience. That’s what it is. It’s authentically you because you’re not, you’re not selling camping. You’re not selling, you’re really selling yourself. And that’s, that’s something that takes folks a while to figure out. Gordon, I think you were trying to, uh, to share something with us. Gordon Cook: Add to that, you know, uh, look, look, pull us up on Google anywhere you want to. I run a 4.9 on Google. You can’t please everybody. Greg Emert: That’s right. Gordon Cook: But, and what Chris was saying, I am a five-star place. Okay. You look at booking.com, you look at Expedia, you look at all of them. I’m at the top of the charts. We just won a commendation of the year in the state of Texas from Texas Campground Association, campground owners, from Taco. And we’re simple. We are simple. We keep it simple. When you come here, I treat you just like I would if you was anybody else. You know, it don’t matter. Me and my family, we’re just, we’re here. And you’re welcome to come, relax, have a good time, enjoy yourself. And people love that. Greg Emert: Indeed they do. Yep. Gordon Cook: And and I think that’s that seems that that’s a very common thread between all of our guests today and in fact And we did too we also did because I was just like Chris, you know, we gotta be this No, you don’t No, you don’t you just Be you and create a place that you want to go. If you create a place and you look at your own website and you’re like, damn, boy, I’d like to go stay there. Greg Emert: Then you’ve got it. Gordon Cook: Then you’re going to attract like-minded people. And you’re not going to have, you know, when we started this, I heard all kinds of horror stories about people. They do this, they do that, they’ll trash this, they tear that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was scared to death. I was, man, how are we going to do security? But we built the place that we, what we want, the place we had come to. We attract like-minded people like us. It’s simple. You know, our grass ain’t manicured. You can walk across our grass. It don’t matter. And you’re comfortable doing it. You know? Yeah. And just like Chris said, the big payment is when you have a family that comes out here and they throw their kid their fourth birthday party. Seven years down the road, that kid’s coming back to have its 10th, 11th, 12th birthday. Greg Emert: Because absolutely. Yeah. Because you were intentional about your authenticity, which it really comes through to the guests. And again, that’s kind of a missing puzzle piece that takes people a while to figure out. And Susan, I think you. You kind of leaned into that a little bit in the beginning when you talked about just how passionate you were. It’s very easy to see on your face and listen to your voice and hear how connected you are to that place. Did you have an aha moment like this early on where you thought, you know what, we need to build this, like the other two gentlemen here were just saying, we need to build something that we’re really going to love to come to and that way when we’re selling it it’s not so much like we’re selling we’re just telling people how we authentically feel and then they get an idea for what they’re going to get when they come here because it’s just it’s just that natural well i was lucky enough to buy this three years ago Susan Smith: And then I’ve done upgrades and kept it up. But I I love to stay here when there’s not guests here. So so you’re right. It’s like if if it’s something you like, you’re going to attract like minded people. And it’s very luxurious inside for a free bottle of champagne and this and that candles battery, of course. But then outside, it’s you know, it’s rugged. And so you have kind of both. And I think also the thing that I like is it’s only one unit. There’s no one around you. That’s what kind of makes Senya a little different is no one’s right by you. You can’t see anybody and it’s just quiet. It’s you by yourself. Before my guests come, I send them an app, some information with everything about the property, how all the appliances work, how to get here. restaurants to go to, just about everything you can imagine. So they know what to expect and then when they get here, they know how everything works. They, you know, they can call me and text me anytime, but at least they have an idea so they’re better prepared on the kind of stay they’re going to have and if they want to, you know, bring something or add something. But, um, I’ve had engagements and then couples back for their comeback for their first anniversary. And, um, I’ll never forget a couple came and they had just lost their baby. And we sat out in the garden for hours and talked and cried. yeah there’s just a spirit of connection here and it’s kind of really what it’s all about and to offer people you know a luxury glamping it’s air conditioning heated completely shut off to the outside it’s like a little house but then you can come outside and you know it’s complete nature so it’s been a blessing for me and I think everyone that comes here Greg Emert: It sounds like it. And you can, again, it’s very easy to see on your face and hear in your voice just how much you are intentional about your authenticity there, just like Chris and Gordon were talking about. And you mentioned a little bit of pre-arrival communication. And that leads me to a question that I have for Tess, because Tess, you’ve got maybe the most unique setup that I’ve ever seen or heard of. I think it’s really cool what you’re doing with the Ranchlands model. But I’ve got to imagine that you’ve got a lot of really unique things that you need to communicate to your guests before they get there, right? Yours is very unlike anything else they’re going to find. So maybe can you take us through a little bit about what you do to manage those expectations so that when they show up there, they understand what they’re getting themselves into? Tess Leach: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, it’s been a long learning curve, and just taking feedback and incorporating it, as we all do. But we do have online booking, but no booking is confirmed until we have a phone call with the guest to talk through the stay and be sure it is actually what they think it is and what they’re wanting. And that really generally sets us up for the right type of client post-relationship. And then we have a pre-arrival profile, we call it, that we send to every guest that just collects information about who they are in life, who they are physically, what they’re expecting, what they’re hoping for from the vacation. And that information is you know, as relevant and distributed with staff. And so everybody is very prepared for all 14 guests that are coming for that week. They’re given a packing list. And then we have, you know, any last minute needs, of course, on site. We’re about 45 minutes from a grocery store or gas station here. So it’s relatively isolated. So guests do need to come with what they need. And, you know, our stay is very much a nature immersion. There is not Wi-Fi. There is not even a cell signal for most of the stay. So I think the type of client that is looking for that experience, you know, is a little less fussy in terms of what they need creature comfort wise. But the tents that we have are, you know, fully outfitted with you know, curated antique bedding, furniture, down comforters. And we partnered with Filson out of Seattle to outfit all of the tents, hot showers. You know, you have all of those creature comforts in your tent, and then you just go out and have a big adventure during the day. And then the last thing is just a high percentage of our clients are returning guests. So they mostly know what to bring or tell their friends what to bring. So that really works for our benefit. Greg Emert: That’s awesome. And you’re actually a very high-touch, hands-on approach. So you’re doing some things that a lot of folks are trying to get away from right now. You’re having phone calls with your guests before you’ll even complete the booking. You don’t have the Wi-Fi. still being very successful with it. So I applaud you for that, because that is, you know, if you’re out there and you’re just reading market reports and contacting other glamping properties, they might tell you, oh, you can’t do without the Wi-Fi, you have to have it for extended stays. Well, all of your stays are extended. So you’ve done it by creating the experience that they want, right? And That phone call, tell us a little bit about that. It almost sounds like it might be sort of an interview for your customers pre-booking to make sure that they’re on board. Does that sound like a decent description? Tess Leach: It is similar to that, yeah. Some of our stays are very high up in the mountains and in the back country where if a guest gets hurt, they have to be medevaced via helicopter. reassurance from them that they are, you know, in physical condition to do this trip. And they acknowledge that that is the reality of, you know, getting hurt could happen on a horse based vacation. You know, it’s for us, we have a person dedicated to taking bookings over the phone and following up with online bookings. ensuring that that pre-arrival document comes in as it needs to, and then doing the follow-up contact as well. So, yeah, I mean it is a whole person dedicated to that, but for us it’s been really important to have that human element with our guests. Greg Emert: Absolutely. Nothing more important than managing those expectations. And that starts with your your marketing and advertising goes all the way through to when your guests depart. Right. And Angel, I would imagine that you also have some of these similar not struggles, but challenges, right? Because you, even though you’re close to town, you’re really embracing nature. And as I said, I did that with my campground and I certainly had lots of guests who were really into it. And then I’d have other ones that would, you know, see a mosquito or something and jump on their picnic table and freak out and, or a raccoon goes through their site and they think it’s gonna, you know, eat their children or something. And it’s like, well, you try to explain, but this is part of the experience that you came out here for, right? So, Do you ever have any issues with that? And if so, how do you manage those expectations to sort of inform people that, well, we’re going to embrace this stuff, folks. We’re not going to make this a sterile environment for you. We want you to see these animals and be one with nature for a little while while you stay with us. Angele Miller: Yes, you know, that’s a really good point. And for us, luckily, like from all the years we’ve been in operation and we’ve opened, we’ve only had one person that’s ever had an issue with bugs, you know, kind of being around. But obviously, that, you know, that’s part of nature. And like, we’ve heard on this, on this, this call is that you can’t really make everybody happy. You know, there’s always that one person that may come that have a situation or may not kind of be surprised by that. But overall for us, we’ve never really had an issue with that. People know when they book, they’re booking to go glamping. So they know it’s a form of elevated camping that they can, you know, be prepared that they are going in nature and You know, and a lot of people that come, they love camping. We’re really like where I am in Atlantic Canada, there’s a lot of rural communities. So people are used to being in the country and kind of have a bit of those experience. So I think that’s kind of been a big thing. But for us, what I found really challenging, and maybe that’s a Canada thing because we have colder weather right out here. But the hot tubs for us, that was a must. You know, we had to have private hot tubs at every accommodation. 90% of people that called here were asking if we had a hot tub. That was really a big deciding factor. So when people went glamping, the expectations out here have really high expectat want to if you’re enjoyi your nature, they’re asso the hot, the high end barb So we had to put all those things there. And, you know, and there’s also like, you know, as the hospitality, the outdoor hospitality has really grown and evolved. And I found so much for us here in the Eastern part of Canada since COVID, you know, when COVID happened and people start traveling and traveling overseas or an all-inclusive resort, the parks, Like even a national parks in Canada has seen such an increase in numbers of people going outdoor that want to go camping and have those outdoor experience. So it’s really grown really big in my region. you know it went from no glamping resort to over 50 resort now in a small province that has under 1 million in population so it just shows but as people as the industry grows and evolves everybody’s trying to elevate those experiences in nature. So the expectations of customers get higher and higher all the time. So, you know, and so for us, it’s been a big thing and a challenge to really keep up with those expectations and always keep elevating that experience, you know, so. But the hot tub was a must, you know, and we, you know, so we’ve included hot tubs at every accommodation, the green egg barbecue, but also the expectation of the local food, like we really focus on local. For us, we’re really big on local and the local farms and local artisans. So we do a lot of co-partnership and we do a lot of food deliveries package. We do private oyster chucking because we have a lot of oyster farm here as well. So we bring someone to do private oyster chucking right at your dome and our accommodation. But it’s really been something that we’ve really had to work hard as a team to keep that and really listen to the customers, listen to what they’re looking for, what they want, and really try to keep innovating and really keep making sure that everybody has, you know, a wonderful experience. Greg Emert: Yeah, that’s excellent. And I think what’s really unique about outdoor hospitality, and I’m sure other industries too, but this is the one I know, so we’re going to talk about this one, right, is that There are, so we’ve got a panel of what we have five of you here today. You’re all five in the same industry. The five of you have five different approaches. Uh, Angel is chasing a very high end user experience. Gordon has said, Hey, my place is simple and that’s how I like it. Chris has his way of doing it. Everybody has their own way of doing it. You’re all successful at what you do. So for folks out there watching really important thing to take away from this is there is no one way to do it right there’s no but but watch shows like this contact these folks after the show is over everybody’s so happy to share what they’ve learned it’s such an open industry and you can find a hundred different ways to do it the most important part is just finding the way that resonates for you and with your guests and then making that work and that’s that’s where the joy comes from Um, and the success. So I think we’re down to, we’re down to about four minutes left. So I want to go through, we’re going to go rapid fire. We got a minute, less than a minute for each of you. We’re going to go through the list and just find out what you got coming up and whether or not Gordon, we’re going to start with you, Gordon, are you going to be going to the glamping show here at the, uh, in the beginning of September? And if, uh, beginning of October, sorry, beginning of September would require a time machine. And if so, uh, is there anything in particular you want to see? Gordon Cook: No, I’m not gonna be able to make the show this year. Unfortunately, our calendar is just so booked. We got a big motorcycle rally, Rumble on the River, here the last weekend of September, and we gotta start getting ready for Halloween. I’ve come out with my own beard products. All right. Some beard shows. We got a full schedule. Greg Emert: That’s awesome, Gordon. Gordon Cook: We really wanted to come to the Glamping Show this year, but we’re gonna have to pass it. But I would like to say this, real quick, what you said a while ago about building your campground, what we’ve done, me and my wife, we travel a lot. We picked out five things that we like about campgrounds, and that’s what we based our building our campground on, those five things. Greg Emert: And that really fast, what were they? One, two, three, four, five. Gordon Cook: The bed, clean place to stay, a big, nice, hot shower, a big pavilion, swimming pool to hang out and enjoy each other’s company and barbecue, cook and eat, and nature. Greg Emert: Now, you know that’s more than five, but I’m gonna let you have it. That’s all right. Thank you, Gordon. I appreciate you sharing that and test. How about you? Are you gonna be headed to the are you gonna be heading to the glamping show? Tess Leach: And if so, you got anything in particular you’re looking forward to seeing Not no, we’re not heading to the show Unfortunately, but In terms of what’s upcoming for us We have a book that we just published with Rizzoli It’s called ranch lands. That’ll be launching October 16th We’re gonna do a big tour Around the coast and in parts of Europe with that and a launch big launch party here at the ranch and we are one of the it didn’t really talk about at a time, but we do a lot of content around ranching and You know that is a marketing piece in many ways, but also an education initiative And that is all going to be moved under a nonprofit for us called the ranch lands collective Um, that is going to be rolled out here, right when the book launches. So those are two things upcoming for us. Greg Emert: And that is wonderful. Obviously very near and dear to your heart and really fast. Where can folks find your book? Tess Leach: ranchlands.com will be available on our website or in any, any bookstore anywhere. Greg Emert: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you for sharing on gel really fast. Are you going to be heading to the glamping show? Somebody please say yes Okay, even if you’re not going to be going with somebody just please humor me and say yes. Chris Jeub: Yes, I’ll be there, but I’m neck Angele Miller: I’m not going to be, unfortunately. I would love to be though, definitely something for me to look forward to in the near future, definitely like a place I’d like to be. But yeah, so no, for me, what I’ll say is, you know, there’s so many, you know, the outdoor hospitality industry is growing and it’s so nice to see so many great experiences, you know, featuring from Ranchland, you know, into just nature experiences, you know, all across North America and all over the world. And for me here at Creekside, one of the things we’ve been doing quickly is we’re franchising. We’re franchising our model of glamping resort as well. So if anybody ever wants to learn about what we’re doing, you can look at rnrglamping.com as well. Greg Emert: Awesome. Thank you, Angel. Thank you so much for being here. And we’re a little over. So Susan, I apologize, but you’ve got to go. I can’t even work the screen anymore. Susan, are you going to be at the glamping show? Oh, I think I lost sound. I don’t know if you guys can hear Susan, but I cannot. Susan Smith: Can’t hear you, Susan. I took it off because the wind is so- There you are. No, I can’t. I wish I could. I’ve got some personal stuff coming up. But next year, I’ll be there next year. All right. And we’re just getting ready for the cool weather in Texas. Greg Emert: Awesome. Well, thank you for being on the show today. Thanks for having me. And maybe we’ll catch you next time. And now, rounding it out with someone- I will be at the glamping show. Yes, I will be there alone. Chris Jeub: I will be there as well, Chris. In fact, I’m one of the speakers. I’m speaking for the glamping show, American Glamping Association, but also for the White Duck Tent. They have a little display that they are going to have me there, so I’ll be talking the thing. I live only an hour away, so I don’t know why all you ain’t going, but I actually commute. It’s very, very simple for me to get up there, and it’s quite the show. I’ll be doing a little recap on Glamping Guy of the show. I’ve got some big plans for connecting with the American Glamping Association, talking them up and helping spread the word about how awesome glamping is. Greg Emert: Indeed it is. And thank you for being here today, Chris. And I look forward to seeing you. I’ll get to meet you face to face at the show in a couple of weeks. And we are a little over, so we’re going to call it for today, folks. But thank you for being here for this, for today’s MC Fireside Chats. Again, brought to you by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. And I had, I’m, I am. Completely I’m sweating and because I get nervous doing this does my first time hosting Hopefully Brian doesn’t wield his axe and chop me and I get to do this again because I really enjoyed the conversation We promoted the sponsor a heck of a lot more than Brian ever has so that’s awesome horizon way to go horizon I’m watching my I’m watching my app and I’m not seeing any dollars come through yet But I’m hoping that maybe there that you know, there’s a kickback involved so anyway, thank you everyone for tuning in today and thank you all for joining us and Have a great day and yeah, go glamping industry, right? It’s just, it’s great. Tess Leach: Thanks guys for being here. SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us for this episode of MC Fireside Chats. With your host, Brian Searle. Have a suggestion for a show idea? Want your campground or company in a future episode? Email us at hello at moderncampground.com. Get your daily dose of news from moderncampground.com. And be sure to join us next week for more insights into the fascinating world of outdoor hospitality.
September 4, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 4th, 2024 

In the September 4th, 2024 edition of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Mark Koep filled in for Brian Searl and welcomed a panel of outdoor hospitality experts, including Jeff Hoffman, Sandy Ellingson, Scott Bahr, Mike Harrison, and special guest Luisana Méndez from Huellas Latinas. The episode explored key topics in the outdoor hospitality industry and community engagement. Luisana Méndez, the leader of Huellas Latinas, a Minnesota-based nonprofit, shared how her organization promotes outdoor activities within the Latino community. Huellas Latinas helps immigrants and refugees overcome language barriers, transportation issues, and lack of information to experience outdoor recreation. Luisana noted that many newcomers to the U.S. prioritize work and education initially, with recreation often falling to the background. As they settle in, Huellas Latinas helps them find confidence in outdoor activities by offering guidance on navigating parks, safety, and proper gear, especially for Minnesota’s cold winters. Luisana emphasized that Huellas Latinas primarily serves the first generation of immigrants from various Latin American countries. While they all share a common language, cultural differences add complexity to the group’s dynamic. Mark Koep inquired about funding, and Luisana shared that Huellas Latinas is supported by contracts with parks and agencies, along with grants like the one received from Together Outdoors. She also highlighted the importance of the organization in creating a sense of belonging for the Latino community through outdoor experiences. The conversation transitioned to industry trends, where Sandy Ellingson discussed concerns over a projected 55% drop in RV travel during Labor Day weekend, based on RV Industry Association data. Although some parks had successful weekends, there was a significant decline in bookings for the fall season, especially with snowbirds delaying their travel due to election-related anxieties. Mike Harrison echoed this, saying that while their luxury RV and glamping properties performed well, the overall industry is facing slower growth compared to previous years. Scott Bahr highlighted a growing disconnect between outdoor recreation enthusiasts and campground stays. He noted an increase in trail usage, yet campgrounds aren’t seeing proportional growth. This gap, according to Scott, represents a key opportunity for the outdoor hospitality industry to better engage with this group, perhaps through more strategic marketing. Mike and Jeff Hoffman discussed broader market conditions, with Mike pointing out a potential oversupply of parks built during the pandemic. He stressed the importance of maintaining good operations, as only the well-run parks will thrive as the market slows. Jeff predicted a shakeout in the industry, where those relying on overinflated demand may struggle. The group also touched on the growing glamping trend ahead of the glamping show. Scott and Mike expressed enthusiasm for the event, where they’ll present industry insights. Sandy, while a fan of glamping, warned that it’s becoming a competitor to traditional campgrounds, as travelers are often choosing the convenience of glamping over RV or tent camping. The session concluded with a forward-looking discussion, with panelists predicting challenges and opportunities in the coming months, including industry shifts and trends in winter camping. Overall, the episode highlighted both concerns, such as slowing RV travel, and opportunities for growth, especially in reaching new and diverse communities through innovative outreach.
August 28, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – August 28th, 2024

The August 28th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, featured an engaging discussion with four industry experts: Eleonore Hamm, Mark Fawcett, Andrea Pierantozzi, and Aaron Pfadt. The episode focused on various aspects of the RV, boating, and outdoor hospitality industries, providing valuable insights and perspectives. Eleonore Hamm introduced herself as the President of the RV Dealers Association of Canada (RVDA), highlighting the association’s role in representing nearly 400 RV dealers across Canada. She emphasized the importance of education, government relations, and industry intelligence in supporting the RV industry. Mark Fawcett, representing Earth Cruiser Australia, detailed his company’s manufacturing of high-end, off-road motorhomes designed for remote, off-grid adventures. He discussed the challenges and innovations in producing vehicles that are lightweight, durable, and capable of navigating extreme environments. Mark also shared stories of Earth Cruiser’s commitment to customer service, including providing support in remote locations. Andrea Pierantozzi from the Recreational Boating Association of Washington (RBAW) talked about her role in advocating for the rights and interests of recreational boaters. She explained the association’s efforts in ensuring that tax dollars are properly allocated to maintain and improve boating facilities and access, drawing parallels between the needs of boaters and RVers. Aaron Pfadt, founder of Off Highway Van, discussed his company’s focus on manufacturing high-quality, customizable Class B RVs. He highlighted the importance of direct-to-consumer sales and the challenges of maintaining high standards in a competitive market. Aaron also touched on the crossover between the RV and boating industries, particularly in the adoption of advanced technologies and customer service practices. Throughout the episode, the speakers explored the synergies between the RV and boating industries, particularly in the areas of customer service, technological innovation, and the need for adequate facilities and infrastructure. They also discussed the challenges posed by economic conditions and the strategies their respective organizations are employing to navigate these challenges. The episode concluded with each guest sharing where viewers can learn more about their respective organizations, and Brian announcing that he will be away for the next two weeks, with guest hosts stepping in during his absence.
August 14, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – August 14th, 2024

In the August 14th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic discussion unfolded around the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on the glamping sector. The episode featured a panel of industry experts including Chris Jeub, Angele Miller, Derry Green, Miguel Huerta, and Zach Stoltenberg, each bringing unique perspectives and insights on how to succeed in this rapidly growing market. Angele Miller, co-founder of Creekside RNR Glamping, spoke about her award-winning resort in Atlantic Canada and its expansion across Canada and the United States. She highlighted the importance of branding and creating distinctive guest experiences that set her glamping sites apart from others. Angele discussed the strategies her company employs to attract a diverse clientele and how they plan to scale their brand while maintaining the quality and uniqueness of each location. Zach Stoltenberg, Director of Outdoor Hospitality at Clockwork, an architecture firm, provided insights into the architectural side of glamping. He discussed the importance of design in creating memorable experiences for guests, emphasizing that the physical environment plays a crucial role in guest satisfaction. Zach also shared how his firm has adapted to the unique demands of glamping projects, which often require innovative and sustainable design solutions to meet the expectations of discerning travelers. Chris Jeub, who operates Monument Glamping in Colorado, talked about his journey into the glamping industry and how he has built his brand by connecting with other operators. Chris emphasized the importance of being adaptable and open to learning from others in the industry. He shared how his brand evolved over time, from a simple backyard setup to a recognized glamping destination, highlighting the value of hands-on experience and continuous improvement. Miguel Huerta, President of the Mexican Glamping Association, offered a perspective from Latin America, discussing the growth of the glamping industry in Mexico. He spoke about how the region’s natural beauty and diverse landscapes provide a unique opportunity for glamping operators. Miguel emphasized the role of social media in marketing these experiences, noting that effective use of platforms like Instagram and TikTok can significantly boost visibility and bookings for glamping sites. Derry Green, owner of The Secret Garden Glamping in the UK, shared his inspiring story of how he turned a simple lockdown project into one of the most successful glamping businesses in the country. Derry highlighted the importance of authenticity in social media marketing, explaining that content reflecting the genuine guest experience resonates more with audiences than polished promotional materials. He also discussed his innovative approach to using TikTok as a testing ground for content, which he then amplifies on other platforms like Facebook and Instagram to reach a broader audience. The conversation delved into the challenges of attracting guests during off-peak times, with Derry explaining how he targets specific demographics, such as women between the ages of 35 and 45, to fill midweek bookings. He discussed the importance of designing glamping units that can accommodate groups, as this flexibility helps to attract a wider range of guests, including families and multigenerational groups. Miguel added to the discussion by talking about the importance of setting and meeting guest expectations. He explained that in the glamping industry, providing an exceptional experience is key to success, as guests are looking for more than just accommodation—they are seeking unique and memorable experiences. Miguel also shared his vision for the future of glamping in Latin America, where he sees significant potential for growth as more travelers seek out alternative forms of accommodation. Throughout the discussion, the panelists agreed on the necessity of continuous innovation in the glamping industry. They emphasized that staying ahead of trends and being responsive to guest feedback are essential for long-term success. The importance of social media as a tool for building brand awareness and driving bookings was a recurring theme, with all the speakers acknowledging that platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook are indispensable in today’s marketing landscape. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterated the value of collaboration within the industry, encouraging glamping operators to share knowledge and support each other. He highlighted that by working together, the industry can continue to grow and provide exceptional experiences for guests. Each speaker echoed this sentiment, expressing their willingness to help others in the industry and to continue learning from their peers. The episode concluded with a strong sense of optimism about the future of glamping. The panelists expressed their excitement about the possibilities ahead and their commitment to pushing the boundaries of what outdoor hospitality can offer. They all agreed that the industry’s focus on unique, personalized experiences will continue to attract a growing number of travelers seeking something different from traditional accommodation options.
MC Fireside Chats welcomed guest Steve Roberts for an engaging session this week.
December 20, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 20th, 2023

In the special episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a panel of outdoor hospitality experts gathered to discuss their experiences and future plans. The panel included Ali and Eric Rasmussen from Spacious Skies Campgrounds, Joann Delvescio from the New Jersey Campground Owners And Outdoor Lodging Association, Joshua Turner from Blackstrap Glamping Resort, Steve Rappleyea from Drivehome RV, and Greg Emmert, Co-founder and Senior Consultant at Camp Strategy. Ali and Eric Rasmussen shared insights into their journey with Spacious Skies Campgrounds. They emphasized their focus on operations and enhancing the guest experience across their campgrounds. The Rasmussens discussed the importance of brand development and market presence. A significant new hire, a Director of Operations, was highlighted as a key step in their strategic growth. They also reflected on the sacrifices made in their personal lives for the business and expressed a desire to balance family time more effectively in the coming year. Joann Delvescio provided an overview of the camping industry in New Jersey. She highlighted the strong demand for seasonal sites and the impact of weather on camping trends. Delvescio mentioned their active participation in consumer shows and the importance of these events in driving interest and reservations for New Jersey campgrounds. She also touched upon the regulatory challenges in New Jersey and the efforts to support campground owners in navigating these challenges. Joshua Turner from Blackstrap Glamping Resort discussed his experience building the resort and his plans for the upcoming year. He emphasized the learning curve involved in transitioning from construction to operation. Turner expressed his ambition to create unique guest packages and experiences, aiming to position Blackstrap as a top destination in Canada. He also mentioned managing the growth of his other business ventures, including a tiki bar and a clothing line. Steve Rappleyea shared his journey with Drivehome RV, focusing on the challenges and opportunities of managing a rapidly growing RV rental business. He discussed the importance of setting customer expectations, especially for first-time RV users. Rappleyea also shared his goal of retiring from his day job to focus full-time on RV rentals, highlighting the potential of the rental market in the context of changing RV sales trends. Greg Emmert spoke about his transition from working with smaller clients to forming Camp Strategy with Jeff Hoffman. He emphasized their focus on providing consulting services to individual owners or smaller groups of parks, steering clear of large-scale management. Emmert also shared his personal and professional resolutions for the coming year, including promoting the importance of conservation in campgrounds. Each guest shared their New Year’s resolutions, reflecting a mix of personal and professional goals. These resolutions ranged from improving health and work-life balance to specific business objectives like expanding services, enhancing operational efficiency, and achieving recognition in the industry. The episode highlighted the diverse challenges and opportunities within the outdoor hospitality industry. The panelists’ experiences underscored the importance of adapting to market demands, focusing on guest experiences, and the need for continuous learning and improvement. The discussion also touched upon the importance of data in understanding industry trends and making informed decisions. Brian Searl shared plans to explore new methods of data collection and analysis to provide deeper insights into campground operations and market dynamics. Overall, the episode of MC Fireside Chats offered valuable perspectives from various corners of the outdoor hospitality industry. The panelists’ stories and plans for 2024 provided a glimpse into the ongoing evolution of the camping and RV industry, highlighting the need for innovation, adaptability, and a focus on quality guest experiences.
In the MC Fireside Chat on December 13th, we were joined by Zac Scott for a rescue discussion.
December 13, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 13th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl begins the episode with excitement, highlighting that it’s the penultimate episode before the holiday season. He teases a special wrap-up show with numerous guests planned for the following week. Brian’s introduction sets a lively tone for the episode, which focuses on the glamping industry. He introduces the guests: Dave from Canadian Sleeping Barrels, Tyson and Audrey Leavitt, and Zach from Clockwork, indicating a diverse panel with varied expertise in the field. Zach Stoltenberg, outlines the company’s role in assisting clients across the country with designing, branding, and building glamping resorts. Zach’s introduction underscores the architectural and design aspect of the glamping industry, highlighting the importance of aesthetic and functional design in creating successful outdoor hospitality experiences. David Byers from Canadian Sleeping Barrels shares his unique journey into the glamping industry. He explains how a shortage of staff accommodation led to the innovative idea of converting their largest barrel sauna into a sleeping barrel. This adaptation not only solved a practical problem but also opened up a new market for them in the glamping industry. David’s story is a testament to innovation and adaptability in business. Tyson and Audrey Leavitt from Lethbridge, Alberta, discuss their transition from building playhouses to creating storybook-themed accommodations. They mention their project, Charmed Resorts, and their approach to adapting playhouses into unique resort experiences. Their journey highlights the evolution of a business idea from a niche market to a broader, more inclusive audience. Audrey Leavitt, taking over the conversation, emphasizes her role in social media and decorating the fairy tale houses at the resort. Her involvement underlines the importance of aesthetic appeal and storytelling in creating an immersive glamping experience. Audrey’s focus on details and storytelling is crucial in differentiating their resort in a competitive market. Chris Jeub, owner of Monument Glamping in Colorado, introduces himself and discusses his YouTube channel, Glamping Guy. He shares his experiences with local permitting processes and neighborhood challenges, providing a realistic view of the operational challenges in the glamping business. Chris’s insights offer a glimpse into the less-discussed aspects of running a glamping operation, such as dealing with legalities and community relations. The discussion shifts to the challenges faced in the glamping business, with Chris Jeub sharing his struggles with a neighbor opposing his operation. This part of the conversation highlights the real-world challenges that can arise in the industry, emphasizing the importance of community relations and navigating local regulations. David Byers from Canadian Sleeping Barrels delves into the specifics of his unique sleeping barrels, discussing their portability, construction, and adaptability for different uses. His detailed explanation provides insight into the innovative aspects of his product, showcasing how creativity and functionality can merge to create a successful product in the glamping industry. Tyson and Audrey Leavitt further discuss Charmed Resorts, focusing on their creative process and the evolution of their cottages based on customer feedback. They highlight the importance of adapting to customer needs and preferences, showcasing their commitment to providing an exceptional guest experience. Their approach to business emphasizes the significance of customer feedback in shaping and refining a product or service. The conversation concludes with Brian Searl and the guests discussing various aspects of running a glamping business, including automation, guest experience, and business strategies. The discussion provides valuable insights into the operational and strategic considerations of the glamping industry, highlighting the balance between innovation, customer experience, and financial viability. The episode ends with a sense of camaraderie and mutual appreciation among the guests, each bringing their unique perspective and expertise to the table.
Mc Fireside Chats on December 6th were joined by Scott.
December 6, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 6th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks, and a panel of industry experts gathered to discuss a range of topics central to the camping and outdoor hospitality industry. The panel included Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group, Casey Cochran from Camp Spot, RV Industry Advisor Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, providing a well-rounded perspective on the industry’s current state and future directions. The episode kicked off with Brian Searl introducing the panel and setting the stage for what turned out to be an insightful discussion. He shared his excitement about the wealth of topics to be discussed, stemming from recent experiences at various industry conferences. This laid the groundwork for a conversation that would delve into the intricacies of the camping industry, particularly in the wake of COVID-19’s impact. Sandy Ellingson brought up an important point about the operational changes that many campgrounds had to undertake due to the pandemic. These changes included tighter cancellation policies and increased deposit requirements, which were initially necessary due to the surge in demand. However, Ellingson suggested that these policies might now be working against campgrounds, as they could be deterring potential customers who are hesitant to make plans far in advance. Casey Cochran then highlighted innovations aimed at reducing cancellations and encouraging bookings, such as weather guarantees and camp credits. These features, he noted, are designed to offer flexibility and peace of mind to campers, a crucial factor in today’s uncertain times. Cochran’s insights pointed to a larger trend in the industry: adapting to customer preferences and expectations in a post-pandemic world. Mike Harrison emphasized the significance of flexible cancellation policies. He explained that his approach at Sierra Hospitality focuses on making it easy for customers to do business with them, thus building trust and loyalty. Harrison’s perspective underscored the importance of customer-centric policies in maintaining a competitive edge. Brian Searl then shifted the conversation to the concerns of campground owners. He noted that many owners had implemented strict policies due to uncertainty about the future and a lack of marketing knowledge. Searl’s comments highlighted the need for campground owners to stay informed and adapt to changing market conditions. The panelists unanimously agreed on the importance of data and analytics in guiding business decisions. They discussed the necessity for campground owners to understand and utilize data analytics for making informed decisions. This led to a broader discussion about the educational needs within the industry, with panelists agreeing on the need for ongoing learning and adaptation. Technology’s role in improving campground operations was another significant topic. Brian Searl proposed the idea of a data pull tool that could provide campground owners with essential information in an easy-to-digest format. This suggestion pointed to a larger trend of integrating technology into various aspects of campground management to streamline operations and enhance guest experiences. Casey Cochran touched upon a sensitive topic in the industry: the competitive advantage and reluctance to share ‘trade secrets.’ He pointed out that while some campground owners might be hesitant to share successful strategies with competitors, others, like Mike Harrison, are more open. This openness, Cochran noted, could lead to overall industry growth and improvement. Towards the end of the discussion, Scott Bahr emphasized the need to keep an eye on seasonal trends, particularly in winter camping. He suggested that monitoring these trends could provide valuable insights into the industry’s growth and changing dynamics. Bahr’s point highlighted the importance of staying abreast of market changes and adapting accordingly. In their closing remarks, the panelists reflected on the importance of community in the camping industry and acknowledged the contributions of various industry players. Brian Searl concluded the episode by thanking the panelists for their insights and wishing the audience a happy holiday season, looking forward to more discussions in the new year. This episode offered a comprehensive look at the camping and outdoor hospitality industry, covering topics from operational changes due to COVID-19 to the role of technology in improving guest experiences. The insights shared by Brian Searl, Scott Bahr, Casey Cochran, Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison provided a valuable perspective on the industry’s current state and its potential for future growth and innovation.
MC Fireside Chats - November 22nd, 2023.
November 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 22nd, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks, a discussion unfolds about the RV industry with notable guests including Phil Ingrassia (President of RVDA), Eleanore Hamm (President of RVDA of Canada), Shane Devenish (Executive Director at CRVA), and special guest Mike Wendland from RV Lifestyle. Mike Wendland, with his extensive experience in the RV lifestyle, shares his journey from starting a blog to expanding into a comprehensive multi-platform presence. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to changes in audience behavior and platform algorithms, highlighting the need for content diversification. Wendland’s perspective is particularly valuable, given his direct engagement with a broad RV audience through various digital channels. The conversation then shifts to the broader challenges facing the RV industry. One significant issue discussed is the quality of RVs, particularly those manufactured during the COVID-19 pandemic years (2020 and 2021). Wendland notes an improvement in quality post-2021 but maintains that quality remains a concern. This point underscores the industry’s need to maintain high standards to ensure consumer satisfaction and industry growth. Another critical topic is the state of campgrounds, both private and public. The panel agrees that the quality of campgrounds plays a crucial role in the overall RV experience. Brian Searl acknowledges the existence of both good and bad campgrounds, indicating that the impression they leave on RVers can significantly impact the industry’s perception. The discussion also delves into the challenges of RV servicing and the supply of parts. Eleanore Hamm from RVDA of Canada addresses the difficulty dealers face in finding enough qualified technicians. This shortage, coupled with supply chain issues, has led to extended repair times, affecting the overall RV experience. Phil Ingrassia adds that the industry is focusing on reducing repair event cycle times, a critical factor for customer satisfaction. Mike Wendland brings up the seasonal nature of the RV business, particularly in regions north of the Mason-Dixon line. He notes the challenges dealers face in maintaining staff for peak seasons and suggests that more publicity about employment opportunities as RV technicians could help alleviate some of these issues. He also mentions innovative training programs, including those reaching out to prisons, as a way to address the technician shortage. A significant part of the discussion revolves around attracting new demographics to the RV lifestyle. The panel recognizes the importance of engaging younger generations and urban dwellers, who might not traditionally consider RV activities. Wendland and others emphasize the need for early exposure to outdoor activities and the industry’s efforts to make RVing more accessible and appealing. Shane Devenish highlights the importance of addressing current problems while also creating a pipeline for future RV buyers. This dual focus is essential for the long-term success of the industry, balancing immediate needs with strategic future planning. Mike Wendland also touches on the impact of remote work on the RV industry. He notes the improvement in campground internet access, which has facilitated remote work from RVs. Wendland suggests that advocating for remote work can help sustain and grow the RV industry, as it allows more people to integrate RVing into their lifestyles. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterates the value of diverse perspectives in understanding and addressing the challenges facing the RV industry. He acknowledges his own strong opinions but emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and considering different viewpoints. The conversation concludes with acknowledgments of the insights shared and the importance of these discussions for the future of the RV industry. The participants express gratitude for the perspectives offered, highlighting the collaborative nature of addressing the industry’s challenges and opportunities. Overall, the MC Fireside Chat provides a comprehensive overview of the current state of the RV industry, covering a range of topics from quality control and service challenges to demographic engagement and the impact of remote work. The insights from industry leaders and experts like Mike Wendland offer valuable perspectives on both the challenges and opportunities facing the RV world today.
MC Fireside Chats on November 15th, 2023 were joined by.
November 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 15th, 2023

On November 15th, the MC Fireside Chats episode was streamed live from the KOA Convention & Expo in Las Vegas. Host Brian Searl was joined by a notable lineup from Kampgrounds of America, Inc. (KOA), including Toby O’Rourke, President & CEO; Kimberly Wootton, Vice President of Commercial Strategy; and Cole Reinhardt, Executive Director of Digital Strategy & Transformation. The panel also welcomed Marc Peterson, Owner of Paris Landing/Kentucky Lake KOA Holiday, and Nate Thompson, Partner at KCN Campgrounds. This gathering brought together a diverse group of professionals from the outdoor hospitality industry. Toby O’Rourke highlighted the convention’s high attendance and the exciting activities planned, including a Beatles-themed Cirque du Soleil show. She emphasized KOA’s focus on providing tools and support for campground businesses and attracting new campers. A significant announcement was the achievement of a 70 Net Promoter Score (NPS), indicating high customer satisfaction and loyalty. Kimberly Wootteon discussed KOA’s hands-on approach with franchisees, emphasizing the importance of relationships and understanding individual franchisee goals. She highlighted the focus on local marketing, revenue management, business development, and retail to drive camper nights and revenue growth. Cole Reinhardt spoke about KOA’s commitment to technology and innovation, mentioning his role in keeping the company at the forefront of technological advancements. He stressed the importance of research and staying updated with emerging technologies. Franchise owners Angie and David Bower from Fancy Gap KOA shared their enthusiasm for the convention and the support they receive from KOA. They appreciated the focus on relationships and the practical tools provided by KOA, like new uniforms for maintenance staff, which help them care for their team like family. Cam Bowen and Nate Thompson discussed the value of the KOA franchise network, emphasizing the importance of innovation and the support they receive from KOA corporate. They highlighted the significance of relationships and the exchange of ideas at the convention. Marc Peterson from Paris Landing, Kentucky Lake KOA, expressed his passion for the KOA brand and the value of being part of the franchise. He shared his positive experiences with KOA’s franchise advisory committee and the benefits of being involved in the KOA community. Toby O’Rourke closed the discussion by emphasizing KOA’s commitment to innovation and connection within the franchise network. She looked forward to the Idea Exchange event, where new ideas are shared to drive action at campgrounds. Her goal was to ensure every franchisee felt supported and connected to the brand. Overall, the episode was a comprehensive overview of the various facets of KOA’s operations and strategy. From high-level corporate strategies to individual campground operations, the discussion illuminated the diverse components that make up the successful KOA ecosystem. Each guest brought their unique experiences and insights, painting a holistic picture of the outdoor hospitality industry as seen through the lens of KOA.
On November 8th, MC Fireside Chats welcomed the guest speaker from Mc Fire Chats.
November 8, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 8th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats which was broadcasted live at the OHCE2023, host Brian Searl, the founder and CEO of Insider Perks and Modern Campground, led an insightful discussion featuring prominent figures in the outdoor hospitality industry. Each guest contributed unique insights and perspectives based on their expertise and experience in the field. Paul Bambei, the President and CEO of OHI, spoke about the organization’s rebranding efforts from ARVC to OHI, emphasizing the need for inclusivity and growth within the industry. He detailed the extensive process behind the rebranding, signifying a deliberate move to broaden the organization’s reach to encompass a wider range of outdoor economy stakeholders. Sandy Ellingson, an RV industry Advisor and Campground advocate, reflected on the dynamic nature of the camping sector. Despite a downturn in RV sales, she pointed out the unwavering enthusiasm within the community, suggesting a robust and adaptable industry capable of finding new ways to engage campers. Steven Woodburn, the Sales Director at Tent Master, articulated the importance of the rebrand to outdoor hospitality, a sector that encompasses much more than RVs and campgrounds. Woodburn shared his company’s success in selling luxury glamping tents across various markets, illustrating the sector’s expansion and its embrace of diverse outdoor experiences. Ryan Houchens, VP of Sales at Cold River Mining, appreciated the rebranding for its potential to attract businesses outside the traditional RV sphere, such as smaller glamping operations. He shared how his company’s hands-on gemstone mining activities connect children with nature, reinforcing the outdoor hospitality industry’s role in providing enriching experiences beyond digital screens. Mike Harrison, COO of CRR Hospitality, spoke on the alignment between the rebranding and his company’s focus on experiential hospitality. He shared insights from the Innovation Summit and his session on marketing, branding, and identity, emphasizing the industry’s evolution towards an integrated approach to outdoor hospitality. Tyler Duffy, President of CampLife, provided a vendor’s perspective, discussing how the conference facilitates direct feedback and insights from customers. He highlighted the importance of understanding industry trends and the need for software solutions to adapt to these evolving demands. Candice McNamara, VP of Business Development at Staylist, shared new features introduced at the conference, such as ROI call tracking and tools for managing orphan nights. McNamara’s perspective as a young professional and her background in marketing and design offered a fresh look at the industry’s future, aligning with OHI’s forward-thinking brand. Lastly, Alex Goldman, Vice President of US Sales at Ideal One Amusement Software, focused on the intersection of technology and outdoor hospitality. He discussed how his company’s software can enhance the guest experience by integrating cashless operations and automating services, which is crucial for evolving customer expectations. Together, these leaders provided a comprehensive view of the outdoor hospitality industry’s trajectory, highlighting themes of innovation, community, and adaptability, all anchored by the newly rebranded OHI’s mission to unify and propel the industry forward.
This week, Mc Fireside Chats went live with a special guest from fireside accounting.
November 1, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 1st, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl sets the stage for a comprehensive discussion on the significance of data and analytics in the sector. He introduces a panel of esteemed guests: Scott Bahr of Cairn Consulting Group, the newest member of the panel, along with regular guests Christine Taylor, Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Mark Koep. Each brings a unique perspective, promising a rich dialogue on the challenges and opportunities in outdoor hospitality. Mike Harrison, dives into the festive spirit with comments on the Halloween-themed nameplates, appreciating the small but thoughtful touch. He segues into a discussion on his company’s work, highlighting the seasonal nature of the business and the industry trends as the year winds down.  Christine Taylor brings a legal perspective to the conversation, detailing her hectic schedule attending state conferences and her active involvement in the outdoor hospitality industry. She offers a personal touch by sharing her family’s re-entry into the business, providing her with firsthand experience of the practical challenges they face, which informs her professional advice. Scott Bahr introduces his expertise in research within the outdoor hospitality and recreation sectors. He underscores the value of monthly research reports that he has been involved with, particularly with KOA, and how these reports are crucial in tracking incidents and identifying trends within the industry. Scott’s focus is on identifying informational gaps within the industry and exploring ways to fill them. Host Brian Searl steers the conversation towards the critical need for robust data and analytics in outdoor hospitality. He notes the sector’s lag in data comprehensiveness compared to other industries like hotels and expresses his hope that the show, MC Hospitality Highlights, can shed light on valuable data that could propel the industry forward. Mike Harrison expands on the theme of data necessity, especially in the context of the increasing institutional capital entering the industry. He points out the investors’ need for detailed, market-driven data and operating metrics to make educated decisions. Mike also sees a role for state tourism associations in enhancing data sourcing, possibly through grants or other initiatives. Scott Bahr concurs with the sentiment of data deficiency in the industry, acknowledging the high demand for feasibility studies and the hurdles in collecting detailed information. He aligns with the general consensus on the panel regarding the need for more granular data. Mark Koep, highlighted that the difficulty in obtaining reliable data is attributed to three main factors: small, family-owned businesses may not have the data or may be unwilling to share it; there’s a lack of data from public parks, which represent a significant portion of the industry; and there isn’t enough historical data to make sound decisions. Despite these challenges, Mark emphasized the necessity of improving data collection for better decision-making in the future. The panel addresses the particular challenges of data collection from smaller, independent operators in the industry. They suggest leveraging data from sources like recreation.gov and state park systems to compile comprehensive reports, indicating a resourceful approach to overcoming these challenges. The final thoughts revolve around creating a Slack channel for industry experts to collaborate more effectively. The conversation ends on a forward-looking note, with plans for future discussions and events that will continue to drive the industry towards data-driven decision-making and growth.
MC Fire chats - this week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
October 25, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 25th, 2023

In the latest installment of MC Fireside Chats, the spotlight was on the dynamic RV industry, with a distinguished panel of experts delving into their wealth of knowledge and experiences. The session was expertly steered by host Brian Searl, who facilitated engaging conversations with the esteemed guests. Regular contributors Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance graced the episode with their presence and invaluable insights. Adding to the richness of the discussion were special guests Craig and Victoria Shelton, the adventurous spirits behind Wild RV Life, who brought a unique perspective to the table. Rounding out the panel were Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV, who shared their expertise and innovative approaches in the RV realm. Together, this ensemble of industry leaders and enthusiasts created a vibrant and informative dialogue, shedding light on various facets of the RV world and providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape and future possibilities in the RV industry. Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV discussed their company’s approach to social media and influencer marketing, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and organic growth. They highlighted how they leverage real customer experiences through their Facebook group and other platforms, creating a strong community around their brand. Their strategy involves a careful evaluation of potential influencers and brand ambassadors, ensuring alignment with their brand values. Alliance RV also emphasized the significance of customer feedback in their product development process. They strive to create products that truly meet the needs of their customers, incorporating their input and suggestions into their designs. This customer-centric approach has been a key factor in their success and has helped them build a loyal customer base. Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance shed light on the organization’s efforts to support and elevate women within the RV industry. She discussed their recent Symposium, which focused on personal and professional development for women, and highlighted the importance of creating a supportive community for women in the industry. Craig and Victoria from Wild RV Life shared insights on how demographics influence their content strategy across different social media platforms. They noted variations in audience engagement between YouTube and Instagram, tailoring their content to suit the preferences of their audience on each platform. Their approach underscores the importance of understanding your audience and adapting your content to meet their needs. Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA discussed the challenges facing the RV industry, particularly in terms of customer service and repair times. They emphasized the need for improved communication and efficiency across the industry, highlighting ongoing efforts to address these issues. The panel also touched on the importance of community and networking within the RV industry. They shared examples of events and associations that foster connections and support, underscoring the value of building a strong network in the industry. Looking ahead, the guests shared their thoughts on the future of the RV industry. They expressed optimism about the industry’s potential for growth and improvement, highlighting areas such as customer service, product development, and community building as key focus areas. Throughout the episode, the panelists shared valuable insights and experiences, providing a comprehensive look at various aspects of the RV industry. From manufacturing and product development to social media marketing, community building, and supporting women in the industry, the discussion covered a wide range of topics, offering a rich and nuanced perspective on the industry. The episode underscored the importance of authenticity, customer feedback, and community in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted how these elements contribute to building strong brands, creating loyal customer bases, and fostering a supportive industry ecosystem. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided a deep dive into the RV industry, offering valuable insights and practical advice for industry professionals and enthusiasts alike. The discussion highlighted the importance of authenticity, customer-centricity, and community in driving success and fostering growth in the RV industry.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats on October 18th, 2023.
October 18, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 18th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks initiated a rich discussion focusing on Campground Hunters, marking the third episode dedicated to this theme. He welcomed distinguished guests: Candice from Staylist, Scott Knepp from IVEE Management Group, Gwynn from Care Camps, and Erin Thiem from In Town Campground and Erin Thiem from Inn Town Campground Gwynn shed light on the noble cause of Care Camps, elucidating its mission to support children with cancer. As Care Camps prepares to celebrate its 40th anniversary, she acknowledged the continuous support it has garnered from the campground and RV industry. Meanwhile, Erin Thiem narrated her unique journey of establishing Inn Town Campground in Northern California. She accentuated the essence of effective storytelling and branding in crafting an inviting ambiance for customers. Her efforts haven’t gone unnoticed, as her campground recently clinched the title of “USA Today 10 Best RV Park Campground.” Mark and Melanie took the audience through the transformative journey of Willow Lake Campground in Ontario. Their narrative emphasised fostering community relationships and continuously rejuvenating the campground’s image in alignment with guest feedback. On the other side of the spectrum, Scott Neff from IVEE Management Group shared his managerial perspective, underscoring the significance of optimising guest experience and ensuring a robust return on investment. The conversation was interwoven with themes of leveraging data for strategic decisions, understanding operational challenges, and the pivotal role of community building in campgrounds. A special segment was dedicated to Care Camps, highlighting its origin as a grassroots effort by KOA campground owners. Today, Care Camps stands tall, financing over 120 camps with diverse programs, significantly impacting thousands of children and families. In a heartwarming video segment, individuals named Ian, Ben, and Abby recounted their personal cancer battles and the solace they found in attending the camps. They termed their experiences as “happiness medicine,” emphasizing the camps’ role in providing a haven where children feel accepted and cherished, coining the term “camp magic” to describe this unique aura. The post-video dialogue was emotionally charged. Brian and Scott, deeply moved, reinforced the importance of Care Camps. Gwynn expressed gratitude for showcasing the video, underlining the mission and profound impact of Care Camps. Candice resonated with the cause, suggesting technological integrations to facilitate donations. Brian and Gwynn then delved into enhancing guest experiences in tandem with supporting Care Camps, emphasizing the role of awareness in their mission. Brian spotlighted the fundraising milestones achieved at the KOA auction for Care Camps. He also expressed his intent to utilize any unsold inventory on Modern Campground to promote Care Camps. Gwynn acknowledged the trials faced by Care Camps in recent times but remained steadfast in her commitment to the cause. Erin, Mark, and Melanie directed listeners to their respective campground websites. Gwynn’s final note was an invitation to engage with Care Camps on social media and to stay updated through their monthly newsletters. The episode culminated in a wave of gratitude and positive sentiments.
This week, on December 21st, we were joined by MC Fire Chats during our MC Fireside Chats episode.
December 21, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 21st, 2022

This year has been a rollercoaster ride for the outdoor hospitality, outdoor recreation, RV, glamping, and campground industries. While the sectors had their fair share of struggles, they also celebrated victories and accomplishments. In this year-ender episode of MC Fireside Chats, we brought back industry experts to look back and discuss learning points from this year. Industry experts Connor Schwab, Scott Knepp, Jeff Hoffman, Phil Ingrassia, Curtis Hemmeler, Rich Schnippel, and Mike Harrison talked about the state of the campground and outdoor hospitality industry in 2022 and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Jeff Hoffman, Founder of JH Consulting Solutions, reflects on how the industry fared in 2022. Phil Ingrassia, RVDA’s executive director anticipates another busy year for the industry. Ingrassia said the final numbers for 2022 aren’t done, but the data projection for RV wholesale shipments is just under 500,000–a product of the normalization of production. Curtis Hemmeler, President of RVTI, talked about the milestone the institute achieved as they continue to produce more certified RV technicians to solve the RV industry’s shortage of trained technicians and to implement metrics to track the RV customer experience. Hemmeler proudly announced that by December 31st, RVTI has added over 1,200 trained and certified technicians. Rich Schnippel, founder and president of Encore RV had seen a bright 2022 and anticipates challenges in 2023 due to economic uncertainties. Schnippel is hopeful that the economy will stabilize for the benefit of the industry. Scott Knepp, director of operations at IVEE Group shared the impact of gas prices and inflation on consumer confidence. Knepp believes the future looks bright and is hoping for normalization and stabilization in the industry. CRR Lifestyle’s Mike Harrison looked at the challenges of this year and the uncertainties of the coming year as an opportunity for park owners to innovate, pivot, and think outside the box. Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Hospitality highlighted the importance of tracking outdoor hospitality data for future park owners. Overall, the guests reflected on the challenges and successes of the campground, RV, and outdoor hospitality industries in 2022 and look forward to the potential for continued growth and innovation in 2023. They touched on topics such as the popularity of glamping, the impact of the pandemic on the RV industry, and the increasing demand for outdoor travel and experiences.
On December 14th, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
December 14, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 14th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Connor Schwab, glamping industry experts discussed how owners could utilize their properties to provide a unique experience to guests. We are joined by Boris Ryabov of Essential Steam; Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association; glamping and RV resort Design Leader Zach Stoltenberg; and John and Nancy Corcoran, the owners of Whispering Springs Wilderness Retreat. As the glamping industry becomes more competitive, Martinez highlighted the importance of having and providing unique, sustainable, and genuine experiences to guests. “It’s not just about amenities; it’s about how you [glamping owners] differentiate yourselves. How do you create a unique experience?” Martinez added. For the Corcorans, one thing they’ve learned from operating a glamping facility is not to be afraid to branch out. Nancy and John utilize Whispering Springs to generate revenue with the help of wedding events. The couple is operating a high-end glamping experience that has seen a tremendous surge in reservations in the first year. They also shared how their business doubled year over year and how they continuously improve and upgrade. Glamping and RV resort design leader Stoltenberg emphasized that glamping is an immersive guest experience and how much involvement and support it takes to provide guests with the best experience. Ryabov of Essential Steam–a communal steam specialist, talked about the guided steam experience that offers communal experience–a combination of guidance and healing that create experiences and creates an environment that helps people experience healing properties. Essential Steam, which provides resorts, retreat centers, and communities with unique and novel outdoor steam spaces, will branch out to glamping and make the outdoor regenerative experience accessible to glampers.
MC Fireside Chats this week were joined by Fireside Accounting for our discussion on December 7th.
December 7, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 7th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, we welcome Jenna Celmer from Basecamp as a special guest host. Over the years, the RV, campground, and outdoor hospitality industries have seen significant growth. From primitive sites with no cell reception to reserving sites over the phone, campers can now experience the great outdoors by booking online to different accommodations based on their needs and preferences. Guest experts from the industry talked about experiential hospitality and the work culture in the RV and campground industries. Celmer asked the experts about their fondest memory of their time in the industry, and most of the experts shared how they started and how they fell in love with the industry’s work culture. Randy Hendrickson, founder & CEO of The Intrepid Group, shared that the industry’s “care gene” keeps him moving forward. According to Scott Foos, CEO & owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, it is vital to have that team-first mentality and ensure that team members are well taken care of. “The more that you really think about investing in your team, and the more that you truly understand that your team drives your business,” Foos added. The conversion focused on experiential hospitality and how the industry is gearing towards providing good customer service or guest service. For RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, it is essential to understand the meaning of experiential camping to get the guests there. “We are moving into a season where we are competing across so many different kinds of markets now, especially with the growth of glamping and some of the things we’re seeing there, that understanding the definition of experiential Camping and understanding what that is is super important just to help get the guests there for the first time,” Ellingson said. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, emphasized that communicating with guests is important to provide a unique experience. Casey Cochran, vice president of Business Development at Campspot Software, talked about how creating a culture and providing the ‘experience’ starts within the staff and team members.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
November 30, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 30th, 2022

In this special episode of MC Fireside Chats, glamping and camping industry experts from all over the world joined us to talk about the challenges they faced in developing their businesses and how they overcame them. This week’s special guests are Olja Nicholl, owner of Serbia’s first-ever glamping resort, Stephanie Bias of Camp Aramoni in Illinois, Italian Architectural Design Manager Giacomo Sanna, and Valentina Kožarić from Croatia. Nicholl shared how they started Lala Vineyard Glamping Resort, Serbia’s first glamping resort. She said she was inspired by United Arab Emirates’ growing glamping industry and decided to bring glamping to Serbia. For Nicholl, bringing glamping to Serbia was not an easy feat. Nestled in a landlocked country, they had to be resourceful and utilize the little natural resources they had to offer unique experiences to guests. Lala Vineyard started small and is now a glamping resort based on sustainability, local experiences, and wine production. She highlighted that developing not just a glamping business but a community that continuously explores tries local, and collaborates with local suppliers is essential. Sanna, an architectural design manager and architecture and parametric design consultant, talked about the struggles of bureaucracy affecting the glamping industry in Italy and how they develop new solutions that can help glamping businesses in the country. Kožarić, a front office manager for a camping and glamping resort in Croatia offering pitches for campers and mobile homes, said the camping and glamping industry in Croatia is growing. Since the company’s inception, they had to offer something different each year. Bias of Camp Aramoni shared how they struggled to define their identity. From glamping to luxury camping and now boutique camping. When asked what the future holds for them, Bias said they aim to create better, unique experiences, add more accommodations, and open year-round.
On July 6th, 2022, we were delighted to be joined by MC Rescue Chats for this week's Fireside Chats.
November 23, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 23rd, 2022

In this week’s Thanksgiving edition of MC Fireside Chats (MCFC), RV experts and enthusiasts discussed the recent events held to help people in the RV industry learn more about growing their respective businesses, and they also looked back to how much the industry has grown this year. In this episode, MCFC Host Brian Searl is joined by RV Dealers Association President Phil Ingrassia and RV Women’s Alliance President Susan Carpenter, as well as special guests, Andy and Peggy Staver, the couple from Our Downsized Life. The discussion started with Phil Ingrassia mentioning how the RV industry, specifically the dealership, are in a good position coming into the new year, with manufacturers adjusting to the new demand with the help of dealers as they get ready to reorder for inventory. He also said that camping and RVing have never been more popular than it is now, with camping bookings and RV rentals remaining strong. “[C]amping is an affordable way to have a vacation… There are a lot of people taking notice of the sector, more private equity money, real estate investments, campgrounds modernizing, and states looking at potential camping areas,” Ingrassia said. Peggy Staver, who stepped down from her corporate career in 2016, mentioned she and her husband became full-time RVers in October of 2017 since Andy was a traveling nurse and found that living in an RV is a suitable way for them to travel for work while bringing their home everywhere they go, which eventually led to the creation of their channel, Our Downsized Life. The couple shared their experience about the time they were traveling during the peak of the lockdowns of the COVID pandemic. Andy Staver said it was incredibly challenging since most campgrounds were closed while those that were open were usually at full capacity, making it difficult for him to find a place for his profession. He said it eventually brought them to Nebraska, where an independent campground accommodated them during the rest of the lockdown. The discussion shifted to the respective events of RVWA and RVDA. Susan Carpenter said the Alliance always wanted to do an education symposium and recognize the people in the RV industry who have made a difference. She also elaborated on the awards that were given to the individuals and groups during the event’s awards ceremony. She said that awards did not focus on any specific segment of the industry, rather it recognized the contributions of the RV people as a whole. The event also held sessions that educated its attendees about the industry and leadership, as well as helped them network and learn from each other. In turn, Phil mentioned the events that took place during the RVDA Convention this year. He said their James B. Summer Award, named after one of their past CEOs, was given to Brian Wilkins of Wilkins RV Inc. who has built his dealership from the ground up and has contributed to the industry. Phil also said that they once again held another Dealers Satisfaction Index, where they surveyed multiple dealerships around the country about the performance of manufacturers and recognized them during the event. When talking about dealers and leaders, Peggy and Andy shared an experience they once had with a dealership that helped them every step of the way to repair a broken appliance in their RV, servicing them as much as possible. “Most RVs need specific products made specifically for RVs, then there are some that accommodate any product, and having a dealer to help people with issues that require [this particular] expertise is an important aspect for dealers… Servicing what they sell. The most successful dealers are full-service [dealerships] with individuals helping their customers,” Phil said. The group then shared what they are grateful for this year and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Susan said that she is looking forward to a smooth-flowing year and getting back to a form of normal after two years of challenges from the pandemic. Phil said he plans to keep moving forward and keep focusing on things that can help the industry grow, as well as start some projects that were postponed due to the pandemic. The Stavers shared that they have always liked meeting people in the campgrounds they stay at, keeping in touch with them even years after. They look forward to meeting and sharing with the people in the community, as well as nurturing their new careers as freelancers helping RV parks grow. Brian Searl also shared that he is keen to learn more about the technology and practices in marketing that can help businesses in the industry grow, showing that it has more potential than people think.
On July 6th, 2022, we had the pleasure of hosting MC Fireside Chats.
November 16, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 16th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, this special edition of the show takes place at this year’s KOA Convention & Expo! Podcast host, Brian Searl, is joined by KOA campground owners around the country. KOA President & CEO Toby O’Rourke, Brigham City KOA’s James Settlemire, KCN Campgrounds’ Nate Thompson, Sandusky/Bayshore KOA’s Jeff Hoffman, and Raton, New Mexico KOA’s Grant Robertson joined today’s show, discussing KOA’s and the camping industry’s direction in the future. The show kicked off with Toby O’Rourke telling KOA’s new direction and mentality moving forward, especially since the organization recently experienced its best year in their history. She said it was time to look back and “think like a start-up” company once again since they have been in business for 60 years. It could help KOA learn how they can keep growing as an organization and “be mission-driven.” She added that the companies that started at the same time as they did 60 years ago are no longer in business, so they don’t want KOA to be disrupted and go out like the others. She believes it’s best to keep looking for ways to improve. She mentioned some future projects of the organization, like ideating new technology, data analysis, and other equipment that can help them and their franchisees go to the next level. The discussion continued with Jeff Hoffman explaining the status of his KOA and its ongoing plans, then his recent experience in the event’s session, especially how deserving the campgrounds who won this year’s awards in the KOA awards show. James Settlemire said KOA has always been hands-on when it comes to supporting the operations of its franchisees and their entrepreneurial spirit. And, how the conference was always about the people in the industry, giving them to keep up with change and adapt to recent times. As a first-timer in the convention, Nate Thompson shared how impressed he was with KOA and their use of data analytics, determining their best course of action. He said he wants to keep using the organization’s support and technology to help grow and improve his campground. As someone who’s been going to the convention for 20 years, Grant Robertson said that people are becoming increasingly interactive with each other, sharing how their respective campgrounds improved through the years. “They dont ask franchisees to change without trying some actions first. KOA doesn’t demand change [immediately]. They first suggest action plans and what could work, helping [franchisees] slowly but surely adapt to the changing times without disrupting them too much,” he said. He said KOA has been supportive and meeting the expectations of their franchisees and customers, giving each the best experience possible. The current KOA makes them feel valued and provides value in the work they do. Nate shared that he loved the startup mentality since he started in a few tech companies in the past, understanding the direction. He has lived the experience of trying something new then keep it if it works, then moving forward if it failed. It allows them to learn. James. the guests coming in has changed, and they are not just staying in their RV, they want to go around the area and experience the outdoors. He likes the experience of trying something new and learning from it. He is excited about how KOA will understand the new guest demographic coming in their campgrounds. Jeff said KOA does a great job helping their people, from the new members to the old. They provide the support they need. They are an innovative company always looking to new things to grow. He said People in the organization are leaders not followers. All their operation systems need to keep growing and he loves the data they receive to show them what works. One of the great things about KOA is that he gets to sit down and chat with other industry members and discuss the technologies, amenities, and ideas that could help them grow. They share information to help them thrive.
On July 6th, 2022, we hosted MC Fireside Chats and were joined by various rescuers.
November 9, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 9th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, glamping experts joined another discussion on topics surrounding the glamping industry. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, and Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan joined today’s show. They are also joined by new recurring members of the show, Zach Stoltenberg, the Glamping & RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, as well as Connor Schwab, the Vice President of Outdoor Hospitality at Sage Outdoor Advisory. Irene Woods started off the show with the learnings she gained as the camping season comes to a close. She said that they moved a few levers to see what benefits their operations the most, which considers a luxury that other campgrounds do not have. Woods mentioned that Fields of Michigan tried two things, which she learned something from. First, she learned that it is important but difficult to meet the guest’s expectations while still providing a good experience, such as adjusting their accommodations to improve their customer experience. Second, they tried to have an adults-only policy, then allow guests to bring their children. She realized having adult-only guests bring in more revenue compared to allowing them to bring children to the sites. She said adults pay more to maximize their experience in the campsite, while families have to go outside to entertain the kids. Ruben Martinez agreed with woods, saying that there’s a certain category of questions that camping operators ask, such as “to be family-friendly or not?”, “What food and beverage to have at the campsite?” or “What amenities to offer?” “As soon as you try to be everything, that’s when you become nothing,” he said. “Find what’s perfect for you and stick with it. You can’t always be everything, you have to choose when it becomes hard down the line.” The show then had a special guest, Tent Masters Sales Director Steven Woodburn, who shared some perspective on the Glamping industry, as well as provided a tour of one of their latest tent models. He said that the outdoor hospitality industry has been on the rise, and during post-covid, it has gone full throttle. He added that older generations go on camping trips with families, but with the growing demographic, people from different backgrounds, who are wanting to experience nature, see camping as the perfect opportunity. The industry is all about experience. When asked about the things that changed how campground owners operate this year, Zach Stoltenberg said, on the architecture side, they’ve got clients this year who are first-timers in operating campgrounds, inquiring about how they can continue operating in the winter season. Seasonal camping season may become another option, as some campgrounds begin to accommodate guests all year round, operating even in cold weather. Zach said that they provided tips to their clients on how they can keep operating in these cold temperatures in the short run. Connor Schwab said winter camping is something that campgrounds may see guests wanting to experience, and they would have to come up with solutions for them to accommodate them, even if not a lot of people would be doing it. Woods said that as people continue glamping, one of the things that they did is keep the staples of their campgrounds, especially to maintain their loyal guests. She said improving the guest experience by either leveling up or “being creative with the space” they have is essential, like readjusting, reusing, or re-invigorating it. They had constantly reuse the space in unexpectedly creative ways Martinez said the industry’s growth will always be made by the people looking to set themselves apart from others. Winter camping, for instance, is something that would keep campsites open all year compared to seasonal camping. It is what may keep operations open moving forward. Zach said he agreed with Irene when she said they had to meet their guests from where their expectations were. Campground owners are selling the experience, not the accommodations, and that thought is what makes good operators.
MC Fireside Chats: This week, we were joined by Daniel at MC Fireside Chats.
October 19, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 19th, 2022

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, we discussed what was on the minds of campground owners with our recurring guests, who appear once a month with us to cover various topics: Mike Harrison, from CRR Lifestyle Duncan Winship, from Papoose Pond Joe Duemig, from App My Community Amir Harpaz of Torrey Trails RV & Golf Resort also joined us to share how the park was preparing for the EV revolution. Four Points RV Resorts CEO Sean Vidrine was another special guest for that episode. He discussed the new upgrades at Paradise Ranch RV Resort and also the park’s preparations for the upcoming holiday season. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our guest.
October 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 12th, 2022

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we were back from The Glamping Show USA and prepared for another episode focused on glamping. This took place on the second Wednesday of the month and featured a panel of recurring guests: *Ruben Martinez of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association *Irene Wood from Fields of Michigan *David Smith of Outside Capital We were joined by special guests, Miguel Huerta of Nantli Living and Katerina Kamtsi of Campsaround. Miguel discussed the glamping industry in Mexico, and Katerina provided insight into the glamping scene in Greece. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show that concentrates on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
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December 15, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 15th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, we wrapped up 2021 with a look back at some of the most important stories. Additionally, we chatted with a park manager about their Christmas activities, an owner who expanded their park, and speculated about what 2022 had in store for the industry.
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December 8, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 8th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats: We were joined by several guests who helped us discuss diversity in the outdoor hospitality industry. Where were we at, what could we improve, and what did the future hold for the ever-changing demographics of campers? We welcomed Earl B. Hunter, Jr from Black Folks Camp Too, David & Eddie from Full-Time Gays, Lindsey Lerner who has traveled full-time and consulted for Sekr, and Al Berrios who helps coordinate outdoor-related activities for Outerthere.
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December 1, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 1st, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our panel of industry leaders who appeared this month with us! *Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software *Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers *Scott Foos, CEO & Owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality *Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant *Kurt Repanshek, Founder of National Parks Traveler *Mark Koep, Founder, and CEO of CampgroundViews.com *Angela Hylton, Editor in Chief of Modern Campground
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 10, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 10th, 2021

Raleigh was the host city for this year’s ARVC OHCE, and we had several people live from the show who shared their experiences and interviewed attendees, including Joe Duemig, Heather Blankenship, and more. Plus, we heard from vendors with interesting products and services, including Alex Goldman from Ideal One Amusement Software and Roy Heimowitz from Skyhawk. This was all covered in the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats.
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 3, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 3rd, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our panel of industry leaders who appear once every month with us! *Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software *Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers *Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant *Angela Hylton, Project Manager at Insider Perks.
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October 27, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – October 27, 2021

In this special Halloween episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia were joined by a host of special guests, bringing together diverse perspectives from the world of camping and RV parks. Recurring guest Darryle Busa from Modern Campground, was also in attendance. Special guests in attendance were: – Sharon Beaumont and Andrew Pysczynski of Normandy Farms – Sarah Krause of Rivers Edge Campground – Fred Stott of Santa Cruz/Monterey Bay KOA Holiday – Marcie Purviance of North Texas Jellystone Park
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October 6, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – October 6th, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format with our brand new panel of industry leaders who will appear once every month with us! Casey Cochran, Director of Business Development at Campspot Software; Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of United Park Brokers; Scott Foos, CEO & Owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality; Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Consultant; Kurt Repanshek, Founder of National Parks Traveler; Mark Koep, Founder, and CEO of CampgroundViews.com; Angela Hylton, Project Manager at Insider Perks.
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September 29, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – September 29th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed the then-upcoming fall conferences in the United States and Canada. Lori Severson from the brand new Campground Owners Expo – COE joined us, along with Joss Penny from British Columbia to talk about their respective conferences. Plus, we heard from Joe Duemig, a supplier from App My Community, about vendor interest in these shows, as well as discussed ARVC, KOA, Jellystone, and state conferences like New York and Pennsylvania.
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September 22, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – September 22nd, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we chatted with the co-founder and chief marketing officer of Outdoorsy, Jennifer Young! We discussed peer-to-peer rentals and how they broaden access to the RV/camping lifestyle to more people. Plus, we talked about how Outdoorsy and campgrounds can work together to benefit everyone involved.