Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

June 5, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – June 5th, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the conversation featured industry experts Scott Bahr, Sandy Ellingson, Mike Harrison, Jeff Hoffman, Casey Cochran, and Mark Koep. The discussion focused on the current challenges facing the outdoor hospitality industry, particularly for new park owners who purchased properties at inflated prices during the COVID-19 boom. Sandy Ellingson highlighted that many new park owners are now struggling due to high debt from purchasing properties at peak prices. These owners are facing declining occupancy rates and financial pressures, which contrast with the previous owners who did not have such high debt burdens. Scott Bahr emphasized the importance of understanding both macro and micro trends in the industry. He advised park owners to leverage data from various sources to make informed decisions and anticipate future trends. Jeff Hoffman echoed this sentiment, stressing the need for forward bookings and the use of modern PMS systems for better financial planning and forecasting. The conversation also delved into revenue management and pricing strategies. Mike Harrison and Casey Cochran discussed the necessity of dynamic pricing and targeted promotions, advising against blanket discounting. Instead, they suggested running specific promotions and leveraging ancillary revenue streams. Jeff Hoffman shared a practical approach to pricing, suggesting a tiered structure based on site quality and demand. Technology and education were identified as critical areas for park owners to focus on. Mike Harrison and Jeff Hoffman underscored the importance of staying updated with technological advancements and industry trends. They recommended that park owners invest in technology to enhance operations and guest experiences. Sandy Ellingson introduced “the Hub,” a new platform aimed at facilitating collaboration and innovation within the industry. Mark Koep advised park owners to utilize their existing guest email lists for targeted marketing, emphasizing the value of engaging past guests through email campaigns to maintain occupancy and drive repeat business. Casey Cochran highlighted the importance of allocating time to work on the business rather than just in it, exploring new marketing strategies, and leveraging technology. The panelists also discussed enhancing the guest experience by offering additional amenities and organizing events. They suggested that park owners look for ways to provide unique experiences that could drive additional revenue, such as rental services and partnerships with local businesses. Scott Bahr recommended that park owners actively listen to their guests to understand their needs and preferences better. Sandy Ellingson suggested revising deposit and cancellation policies to make bookings more attractive to potential guests. The episode concluded with each panelist offering practical advice. Mike Harrison emphasized the need to keep up with technology and industry trends, while Mark Koep advised using email marketing to engage past guests. Sandy Ellingson highlighted the importance of collaboration and innovation, and Scott Bahr recommended asking questions and actively listening to guests. Jeff Hoffman stressed the importance of financial planning and forecasting, and Casey Cochran advised creating space and time to work on the business strategically. Overall, the episode provided valuable insights and practical tips for park owners to adapt and thrive in a challenging economic environment.
May 1, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – May 1st, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Cara Csizmadia, who is also the president of the Canadian Camping and RVs Association and a former co-host of the show, returns to lead a dynamic discussion. The episode, recorded on May 1, 2024, coincides with the opening day for many campgrounds, adding a festive note to the discussion despite some areas facing challenging weather conditions. Cara opens the episode with a warm welcome and shares her enthusiasm for returning to the show. She introduces the recurring guests: Jeff Hoffman, Scott Bahr, Christine Taylor, and Sandy Ellingson, each an expert in their respective fields within the outdoor hospitality industry. Scott Bahr of Camp Consulting Group, who has over two decades of experience in market research within the industry, discusses the recent trends he has observed. He notes that last year’s disruptions, particularly adverse weather, significantly impacted campground bookings. Scott anticipates a growing trend toward more spontaneous travel among campers, driven by a shift in consumer behavior that favors flexibility and short-notice travel plans. Jeff Hoffman from Camp Strategy talks about the operational and financial aspects of running campgrounds. He highlights a shift back to pre-COVID booking windows, which have narrowed significantly compared to the extended booking periods seen during the pandemic. Jeff reassures campground owners that despite a slower booking pace, the industry remains healthy, and there has been little resistance to recent price increases, suggesting that consumers have adjusted to the new pricing norms. Christine Taylor, who brings a legal perspective from her extensive experience in the camping industry, discusses the crucial role of legal support in managing a campground. She stresses the importance of having robust legal advice to navigate the complex landscape of outdoor hospitality, touching on issues like business fraud and the essential nature of legal services in preventive practices. Sandy Ellingson, enriches the discussion with her insights into dynamic pricing strategies. She explains the financial benefits of minor rate increases and the impact of adaptive cancellation policies on consumer booking behaviors. Sandy’s expertise highlights how slight adjustments in pricing and policies can significantly enhance revenue without alienating guests. Throughout the episode, the conversation delves into innovative solutions being implemented by campgrounds to adapt to changing consumer expectations. This includes flexible cancellation policies and creative approaches to managing long-term stays to avoid legal and operational complications. The panelists discuss the balance between being open to guests and managing the business aspects efficiently to maintain profitability and guest satisfaction. The episode wraps up with Cara thanking the guests for their insights and reflecting on the vibrant discussion that covered both the opportunities and challenges facing the outdoor hospitality industry today. The blend of expert opinions provides a comprehensive overview of the strategies that campground owners can employ to navigate the current market dynamics and legal landscape, ensuring the continued success of their businesses. This rich conversation not only addresses the immediate concerns related to the opening day of the season but also broader trends that could influence the future of camping and outdoor hospitality.
Graphic for "MC Fireside Chats" podcast episode on April 3rd, 2024, featuring guests Mike Harzson, Mark Koep, Jeff Hoffman, and Scott Bahr.
April 3, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – April 3rd, 2024

In a dynamic episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl led a rich discussion featuring industry experts Mike Harrison, Scott Bahr, Jeff Hoffman, and Mark Koep, who collectively dissect the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The episode begins on a lighter note, with Searl and his guests sharing their personal anecdotes, setting the stage for an engaging dialogue that delves deep into industry trends, challenges, and strategies for success. Brian Searl, the anchor of the conversation, guides the dialogue with precision, touching on a wide array of subjects, from the impact of technological advancements on the camping industry to the intricacies of consumer behavior in a post-pandemic world. His insightful questions and commentary knit the diverse topics into a coherent narrative that offers a panoramic view of the sector. Mike Harrison brings to the table his operational expertise, discussing the practical challenges and opportunities parks face in real-time. He provides a nuanced analysis of how occupancy rates, advanced booking patterns, and revenue management practices are adapting to new market realities. Harrison’s perspective is particularly valuable in understanding the operational shifts necessitated by fluctuating demand and the adoption of new technologies. Scott Bahr, with his deep dive into data and analytics, sheds light on the latest industry reports and the significance of sustainable practices. His discussion on the importance of data in driving decisions and understanding consumer trends is eye-opening. Bahr emphasizes the need for parks to leverage data more effectively to navigate the complexities of the market and to tailor their services to meet the evolving expectations of their guests. Jeff Hoffman offers insights into the strategic aspects of park management and marketing. He stresses the importance of parks modernizing their facilities and operations to enhance the guest experience. Hoffman’s discussion on the use of technology to streamline operations and engage with guests more effectively highlights the critical role of innovation in maintaining competitiveness. Mark Koep focuses on the marketing strategies that parks can employ to attract and retain guests. He delves into the importance of understanding the customer journey and utilizing digital marketing tools to reach potential guests. Koep’s expertise in online marketing and customer engagement provides a roadmap for parks looking to enhance their visibility and appeal in a crowded marketplace. Throughout the episode, the conversation seamlessly transitions from operational challenges to marketing strategies, economic impacts, and the future of outdoor hospitality. The discussion on the mini-recession, rising gas prices, and their implications on consumer travel habits offers a sobering look at the challenges ahead. However, the panelists also highlight the resilience of the industry and the potential for innovation and adaptability to drive growth. The episode concludes with a forward-looking discussion on the importance of parks embracing change, modernizing their operations, and investing in marketing to thrive in an increasingly competitive environment.
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March 6, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – March 6th, 2024

March 6th Episode Recap In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Mike Harrison, stepping in for Brian Searl, led a compelling discussion with a panel of industry experts, including Sandy Ellingson, Christine Taylor, Scott Bahr, Jeff Hoffman, Mark Koep, and Casey Cochran. As the discussion unfolded, the panelists shared their experiences and insights from various parts of the United States, touching upon the weather conditions and their impact on camping and RVing. This led to an exploration of the upcoming eclipse, with Scott Bahr providing data on the growing enthusiasm among campers and RVers, highlighting the industry’s potential for growth during such events. A significant portion of the conversation centered around the recent partnership between Autocamp and Hilton, which the panelists viewed as a major endorsement for the glamping industry. Casey Cochran emphasized the partnership’s potential to elevate industry standards and attract customers with expectations influenced by their experiences with traditional hotel brands. Mike Harrison, drawing from his background in hospitality, contrasted the community and friendliness found in RV resorts with the impersonal nature of hotels, suggesting that outdoor hospitality offers unique and irreplaceable experiences. The dialogue then shifted to the concept of RVing as a year-round activity, with Mark Koep sharing his experiment with winter RV travel in the northeastern United States. This sparked a broader discussion on the potential for campgrounds to extend their seasons to accommodate RVers seeking off-season adventures, emphasizing the need for infrastructure and services to support winter camping. Revenue management emerged as a critical theme, with the panelists exploring the need for more sophisticated pricing strategies in the outdoor hospitality industry. Sandy Ellingson made a distinction between dynamic pricing and rate yielding, pointing out the necessity for parks to adopt true dynamic pricing strategies that leverage technology for automatic adjustments based on real-time demand. Christine Taylor and Casey Cochran discussed the challenges of introducing new pricing strategies to consumers unfamiliar with dynamic pricing in the context of campgrounds. They noted the resistance from consumers accustomed to static pricing models, highlighting the need for education and gradual adoption of dynamic pricing strategies. Jeff Hoffman shared his experiences teaching revenue management and dynamic pricing at industry conferences. He emphasized the importance of educating campground owners on the benefits of adopting differentiated pricing strategies for weekdays, weekends, and special events. Hoffman expressed concern about major hospitality brands like Hilton entering the campground industry, potentially bringing their advanced operational systems and deep understanding of revenue management. He urged campground owners to begin adopting more sophisticated pricing strategies to remain competitive in an evolving industry. Casey Cochran shared insights on the adoption of dynamic pricing among parks on their system, revealing that a small percentage of parks use dynamic pricing. He advocated for parks to start with simple rules to see the benefits of dynamic pricing without significantly impacting customer satisfaction. Mike Harrison proposed a collaborative effort to educate the industry on revenue management, suggesting a series of webinars or educational sessions. The idea received enthusiastic support, with a focus on making the content accessible and applicable across different PMS platforms. Scott Bahr touched on the importance of accommodations in rural outdoor recreation areas, highlighting a potential growth area for the outdoor hospitality industry. This segment underscored the broader implications of improving hospitality offerings for economic development in rural areas. The episode concluded with a call to action for industry leaders to collaborate on educational initiatives to advance revenue management practices in outdoor hospitality. The participants recognized the challenges ahead but remained optimistic about the industry’s potential for growth and evolution. The discussion highlighted the importance of adapting to new technologies, embracing change, and preparing for the increasing interest from larger hospitality entities, with Jeff Hoffman’s insights adding a crucial perspective on the need for education and adaptation in the face of potential competition from major hospitality brands.
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February 7, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 7th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, a panel of industry leaders gathered to discuss a range of topics pertinent to the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The episode featured insights from Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality, Scott Bahr of Cairn Consulting Group, Mark Koep of Campground Views, and Sandy Ellingson, an RV industry expert, each bringing their unique perspectives to the table. The conversation covered the impact of COVID-19 on camping trends, the importance of events and activities at campgrounds, the adoption of AI and technology, and the future of search and marketing strategies for campgrounds. Brian Searl initiated the discussion by highlighting the show’s focus on providing valuable insights for campground owners, managers, and industry professionals. He emphasized the importance of understanding the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality and the role of technology in shaping the future of camping experiences. Searl’s introduction set the stage for a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities facing the industry today. Mike Harrison shared his observations on the industry’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, noting the surge in new campers and the potential for sustained growth. He stressed the need for campgrounds to adapt their operations and services to retain these new enthusiasts. Harrison’s insights into the operational aspects of running campgrounds provided a practical perspective on managing growth and enhancing guest experiences. Scott Bahr contributed to the conversation by discussing the findings from recent research on camping trends, particularly in relation to election years and times of major disruption. Bahr’s analysis suggested that camping tends to increase during such periods, offering opportunities for campgrounds to attract guests looking for stress relief and outdoor experiences. He also touched on the potential impact of restrictions on BLM land camping on private parks, highlighting the importance of understanding and adapting to regulatory changes. Mark Koep brought attention to the significance of events and activities in attracting and retaining campers. He shared examples of successful event-driven strategies employed by campgrounds and discussed the potential for experiential camping to drive the industry forward. Koep’s enthusiasm for creative engagement underscored the value of offering unique and memorable experiences to guests. Sandy Ellingson emphasized the need for clearer definitions and categorizations within the RV and camping industry to better educate and guide consumers. She pointed out the confusion caused by mislabeling parks and the impact on camper expectations. Ellingson’s passion for education and clarity resonated as a call to action for industry professionals to work towards better communication and representation. The panel also explored the slow but inevitable adoption of AI and technology within the industry. Brian Searl shared insights into how AI can enhance customer service and operations, highlighting the potential for AI to revolutionize search and marketing strategies for campgrounds. The discussion touched on the importance of preparing for changes in online search behavior, particularly the move towards voice search and AI-driven results. The conversation shifted to the changing landscape of online search, with the speakers highlighting the move towards voice search and AI-driven results. They stressed the importance of preparing for these changes to ensure campgrounds remain visible and attractive to potential guests. The discussion underscored the need for campgrounds to adapt their marketing strategies to stay ahead of technological advancements. Collaboration and data sharing emerged as key themes, with the speakers emphasizing the importance of sharing best practices within the industry. They called for campground owners and managers to collaborate more closely to raise the overall quality of the camping experience. This collaboration was seen as essential for ensuring the industry’s continued growth and success. The episode concluded with a discussion on the future of the industry, with the speakers expressing optimism about the continued growth of camping. They highlighted the potential for campgrounds to attract and retain guests through improved operations, engaging events, and the adoption of new technologies. The conversation underscored the dynamic nature of the outdoor hospitality industry and the need for ongoing innovation and adaptation. In summary, the episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive overview of the current state and future directions of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The insights from Brian Searl, Mike Harrison, Scott Bahr, Mark Koep, and Sandy Ellingson offered valuable perspectives on the challenges and opportunities facing the industry. The discussion highlighted the importance of understanding and adapting to new technologies, retaining the new wave of campers brought in by the pandemic, and the critical role of events and activities in enhancing the camping experience. The speakers’ expertise and perspectives underscored the need for continued innovation, collaboration, and education within the industry. The conversation served as a call to action for industry professionals to work together to improve the quality of camping experiences and ensure the sustained growth and success of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. Overall, the episode of MC Fireside Chats was a testament to the resilience and adaptability of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The insights shared by the panel of industry leaders provided valuable guidance for campground owners, managers, and professionals looking to navigate the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The discussion offered a hopeful outlook for the future of camping, emphasizing the potential for growth and innovation in the face of challenges and opportunities.
On January 3rd, MC Fireside Chats this week we were joined by Scott Scott.
January 3, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 3rd, 2024 

The first episode of MC Fireside Chats this 2024 presents a comprehensive discussion on the outdoor hospitality industry. The episode features insightful contributions from industry experts Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Scott Bahr, each bringing a unique perspective to the table. Host Brian Searl sets the stage for the conversation, emphasizing the show’s focus on providing valuable insights for business success in the outdoor hospitality sector. He introduces the panel, highlighting their expertise and the value they bring to the discussion. The conversation begins with a look at the current state of the RV and camping industry, with each guest sharing their observations and experiences. Mike Harrison, with his extensive background in luxury RV resorts, offers insights into the trends and challenges facing the industry. He discusses the impact of external events, such as election years, on travel and camping patterns. Mike’s analysis provides a nuanced understanding of how luxury travel and camping are influenced by broader societal trends. Sandy Ellingson brings a wealth of experience in campground operations and marketing. She highlights the challenges campgrounds face in adapting to changing market conditions, especially in the realm of digital marketing. Sandy’s perspective is particularly valuable in understanding the need for effective online presence and marketing strategies in the industry. Scott Bahr, an expert in market research, delves into the data-driven aspects of the industry. He shares insights from his research on guest reviews and behavior, emphasizing the importance of understanding customer feedback. Scott’s contribution is crucial in highlighting how data analysis can inform better business practices in outdoor hospitality. The conversation also touches on the evolving preferences of campers and RVers. The panel discusses the shift from traditional RV camping to alternatives like glamping, and how this impacts the industry. This part of the discussion underscores the need for campgrounds to adapt and cater to a diverse range of customer preferences. A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to the role of technology in enhancing the camping experience. The panelists explore the potential of AI and other technological advancements in improving convenience and efficiency for both campers and campground operators. Brian, in particular, shares his enthusiasm for the possibilities that AI presents in revolutionizing the industry. The panelists also discuss the importance of education and knowledge sharing within the industry. They emphasize the need for tailored educational efforts to address the varying levels of experience and knowledge among campground owners and operators. This part of the conversation highlights the ongoing need for professional development in the industry. Another key topic is the trend of bundling offerings and hosting events in campgrounds. The panelists explore how this approach, inspired by the cruise industry, can enhance customer retention and generate recurring revenue. This discussion points to the innovative strategies campgrounds can adopt to stay competitive. The conversation concludes with a focus on future trends and predictions for the industry. The panelists share their thoughts on what 2024 might hold for outdoor hospitality, discussing potential growth areas and challenges. This forward-looking discussion provides valuable insights for industry stakeholders planning for the future. Overall, the episode offers a rich and varied discussion on the outdoor hospitality industry. The insights shared by Brian Searl, Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Scott Bahr provide a comprehensive overview of the current state and future prospects of the industry. Their conversation is a testament to the dynamic and evolving nature of outdoor hospitality, highlighting the importance of adaptability, innovation, and customer-centric approaches in achieving business success.
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December 6, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 6th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks, and a panel of industry experts gathered to discuss a range of topics central to the camping and outdoor hospitality industry. The panel included Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group, Casey Cochran from Camp Spot, RV Industry Advisor Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, providing a well-rounded perspective on the industry’s current state and future directions. The episode kicked off with Brian Searl introducing the panel and setting the stage for what turned out to be an insightful discussion. He shared his excitement about the wealth of topics to be discussed, stemming from recent experiences at various industry conferences. This laid the groundwork for a conversation that would delve into the intricacies of the camping industry, particularly in the wake of COVID-19’s impact. Sandy Ellingson brought up an important point about the operational changes that many campgrounds had to undertake due to the pandemic. These changes included tighter cancellation policies and increased deposit requirements, which were initially necessary due to the surge in demand. However, Ellingson suggested that these policies might now be working against campgrounds, as they could be deterring potential customers who are hesitant to make plans far in advance. Casey Cochran then highlighted innovations aimed at reducing cancellations and encouraging bookings, such as weather guarantees and camp credits. These features, he noted, are designed to offer flexibility and peace of mind to campers, a crucial factor in today’s uncertain times. Cochran’s insights pointed to a larger trend in the industry: adapting to customer preferences and expectations in a post-pandemic world. Mike Harrison emphasized the significance of flexible cancellation policies. He explained that his approach at Sierra Hospitality focuses on making it easy for customers to do business with them, thus building trust and loyalty. Harrison’s perspective underscored the importance of customer-centric policies in maintaining a competitive edge. Brian Searl then shifted the conversation to the concerns of campground owners. He noted that many owners had implemented strict policies due to uncertainty about the future and a lack of marketing knowledge. Searl’s comments highlighted the need for campground owners to stay informed and adapt to changing market conditions. The panelists unanimously agreed on the importance of data and analytics in guiding business decisions. They discussed the necessity for campground owners to understand and utilize data analytics for making informed decisions. This led to a broader discussion about the educational needs within the industry, with panelists agreeing on the need for ongoing learning and adaptation. Technology’s role in improving campground operations was another significant topic. Brian Searl proposed the idea of a data pull tool that could provide campground owners with essential information in an easy-to-digest format. This suggestion pointed to a larger trend of integrating technology into various aspects of campground management to streamline operations and enhance guest experiences. Casey Cochran touched upon a sensitive topic in the industry: the competitive advantage and reluctance to share ‘trade secrets.’ He pointed out that while some campground owners might be hesitant to share successful strategies with competitors, others, like Mike Harrison, are more open. This openness, Cochran noted, could lead to overall industry growth and improvement. Towards the end of the discussion, Scott Bahr emphasized the need to keep an eye on seasonal trends, particularly in winter camping. He suggested that monitoring these trends could provide valuable insights into the industry’s growth and changing dynamics. Bahr’s point highlighted the importance of staying abreast of market changes and adapting accordingly. In their closing remarks, the panelists reflected on the importance of community in the camping industry and acknowledged the contributions of various industry players. Brian Searl concluded the episode by thanking the panelists for their insights and wishing the audience a happy holiday season, looking forward to more discussions in the new year. This episode offered a comprehensive look at the camping and outdoor hospitality industry, covering topics from operational changes due to COVID-19 to the role of technology in improving guest experiences. The insights shared by Brian Searl, Scott Bahr, Casey Cochran, Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison provided a valuable perspective on the industry’s current state and its potential for future growth and innovation.
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November 1, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 1st, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl sets the stage for a comprehensive discussion on the significance of data and analytics in the sector. He introduces a panel of esteemed guests: Scott Bahr of Cairn Consulting Group, the newest member of the panel, along with regular guests Christine Taylor, Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Mark Koep. Each brings a unique perspective, promising a rich dialogue on the challenges and opportunities in outdoor hospitality. Mike Harrison, dives into the festive spirit with comments on the Halloween-themed nameplates, appreciating the small but thoughtful touch. He segues into a discussion on his company’s work, highlighting the seasonal nature of the business and the industry trends as the year winds down.  Christine Taylor brings a legal perspective to the conversation, detailing her hectic schedule attending state conferences and her active involvement in the outdoor hospitality industry. She offers a personal touch by sharing her family’s re-entry into the business, providing her with firsthand experience of the practical challenges they face, which informs her professional advice. Scott Bahr introduces his expertise in research within the outdoor hospitality and recreation sectors. He underscores the value of monthly research reports that he has been involved with, particularly with KOA, and how these reports are crucial in tracking incidents and identifying trends within the industry. Scott’s focus is on identifying informational gaps within the industry and exploring ways to fill them. Host Brian Searl steers the conversation towards the critical need for robust data and analytics in outdoor hospitality. He notes the sector’s lag in data comprehensiveness compared to other industries like hotels and expresses his hope that the show, MC Hospitality Highlights, can shed light on valuable data that could propel the industry forward. Mike Harrison expands on the theme of data necessity, especially in the context of the increasing institutional capital entering the industry. He points out the investors’ need for detailed, market-driven data and operating metrics to make educated decisions. Mike also sees a role for state tourism associations in enhancing data sourcing, possibly through grants or other initiatives. Scott Bahr concurs with the sentiment of data deficiency in the industry, acknowledging the high demand for feasibility studies and the hurdles in collecting detailed information. He aligns with the general consensus on the panel regarding the need for more granular data. Mark Koep, highlighted that the difficulty in obtaining reliable data is attributed to three main factors: small, family-owned businesses may not have the data or may be unwilling to share it; there’s a lack of data from public parks, which represent a significant portion of the industry; and there isn’t enough historical data to make sound decisions. Despite these challenges, Mark emphasized the necessity of improving data collection for better decision-making in the future. The panel addresses the particular challenges of data collection from smaller, independent operators in the industry. They suggest leveraging data from sources like recreation.gov and state park systems to compile comprehensive reports, indicating a resourceful approach to overcoming these challenges. The final thoughts revolve around creating a Slack channel for industry experts to collaborate more effectively. The conversation ends on a forward-looking note, with plans for future discussions and events that will continue to drive the industry towards data-driven decision-making and growth.
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October 4, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 4th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, broadcast live from Glamping Show Americas, host Brian Searl delved into the surge in popularity of glamping. The show convened a gathering of experts to shed light on its trajectory and the challenges ahead. This episode, presented by Fireside Accounting, offered diverse perspectives on the current state of glamping and its future potential. Brian Searl introduced the central theme: the transformation of outdoor experiences, particularly in the context of a world recovering from the pandemic. Searl’s emphasis was clear – the industry must continually reinvent itself, not just to survive, but to thrive in an increasingly competitive market. Sandy Ellingson, with her background in the RV sector, provided a fascinating take on the intersection of RVs and glamping. She proposed that as these two industries increasingly overlap, collaboration could prove to be a winning strategy. By sharing resources, knowledge, and market insights, both sectors could benefit immensely. Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality dived deep into operational considerations. He painted a vivid picture of the day-to-day challenges of managing glamping sites. From quality control to optimizing guest experiences, Harrison believes that operational efficiency remains the backbone of any successful glamping business. From a legislative standpoint, Cara Csizmadia of CCRVC elucidated on the regulatory maze the industry often finds itself navigating. She stressed that to effectively address policy hurdles and zoning challenges, the industry needs a consolidated and unified front, advocating for its interests. Design and aesthetics, crucial elements of the glamping experience, were eloquently covered by Zach Stoltenberg from Clockwork. He opined that glamping is not just about luxury; it’s about creating a harmonious blend of comfort and a genuine, immersive nature experience. The design ethos, according to him, should revolve around sustainability and authenticity. Zook Cabin’s Melissa Meshey shifted the focus to marketing strategies. She spoke passionately about crafting narratives that resonate with potential clients, sharing the myriad experiences glamping can bring, from starlit dinners to serene mornings amidst nature. Representing the product side of things, Joanna Reimann from Fdomes focused on the tangible aspects. For her, product longevity, innovative design, and the ability of these structures to enhance the overall guest experience are paramount. The digital era’s impact on glamping was explored by Candice McNamara of Staylist. She delved into the evolving dynamics of customer behavior, emphasizing the significance of data analytics, user-friendly online interfaces, and the absolute necessity for glamping businesses to have a robust online footprint. Jacob Barbati, an investment professional, shared that he was notably impressed by the vast range of products and how vendors tailored their offerings to meet ROI expectations, aligning with his investment background. Jacob highlighted the industry’s enthusiasm and the business-centric approach of its participants. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping highlighted challenges with local government regulations, particularly the building department, which is trying to enforce commercial standards on his glamping structures like tents, domes, and container homes. Chris believes that the world is slowly recognizing the glamping industry, and he sees it as the most exciting space in real estate, with many people showing interest in establishing glamping sites.. Rounding up the discussion, Sinan Halic from Ekodome merged the concepts of sustainability and design. He passionately argued that as the world becomes more ecologically conscious, glamping needs to lead the charge by ensuring its offerings are sustainable, both in design and operation. In wrapping up, the consensus was evident. While the horizon looks promising for the glamping industry, its journey forward must be marked by innovation, collaboration, and an unwavering commitment to excellence.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
July 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 8th, 2026

In the July 8, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts explored strategies for thriving in the evolving outdoor hospitality market, emphasizing the success of targeting underserved niches, the practical necessity of grid-tied infrastructure over off-grid setups, and the profitability of pivoting to high-value, curated group retreats.
June 10, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 10th, 2026

The June 10th, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats highlights how outdoor hospitality operators can actively drive occupancy by leveraging targeted social media content, hyper-specific buyer personas, and AI-discoverable local features. The panel also addresses tightening macroeconomic trends, concluding that operators must double down on proactive marketing to capture travelers shifting from costly flights to road trips.
May 13, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 13th, 2026

Hosted by Brian Searl, this episode of MC Fireside Chats featured Jeremy Johnson and Zach Stoltenberg discussing the complexities of dynamic pricing and the industry’s shift toward non-RV accommodations. Meanwhile, special guests Travis Chambers and Joy de Vos highlighted the growing demand for experiential travel by sharing their unique, immersive projects—ranging from cinematic, off-grid micro-resorts to educational, working dairy farms.
April 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 8th, 2026

The April 8th, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry leaders discussing the critical balance between implementing highly intuitive automated tech and preserving the authentic outdoor experience. The panel highlighted actionable strategies for maximizing revenue and tax benefits through premium cabin investments, while navigating upcoming challenges in Class A fire regulations, site-specific architectural design, and ADA accessibility.
March 11, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 11th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led an industry-focused discussion with experts Jayne Cohen, Casey Cochran, Jeremy Johnson, Shawn Verbrugghe, and Serg Mashkov to explore how economic shifts, luxury accommodation trends, and unique experiential programming are redefining the future of outdoor hospitality.
February 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 12th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, Joe Duemig hosts John McMahon of Camp Door County, who shares how his new resort uses “intentional” guest experiences like mushroom foraging, stargazing, and mountain bike trails to build a unique brand identity. The panel, including Casey Cochran and Zach Stoltenberg, discusses how these curated activities and strategic local partnerships drive transient demand and guest loyalty without relying solely on traditional amenities or aggressive price discounting.
January 14, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 14th, 2026

The first Guest Experience episode of MC Fireside Chats in 2026 brought together U.S. and UK industry leaders to examine land use economics, guest segmentation, and how differing markets approach revenue, design, and experience. The panel agreed that future growth depends less on uniform luxury builds and more on aligning amenities, add-on revenue, and immersive, nature-driven experiences with clearly defined guest expectations, supported by smarter use of data.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
July 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 15th, 2026

During the July 15, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized the critical need for versatility in outdoor hospitality by exploring long-term tax strategies, the debate between market oversupply and camper affordability, and the strategic value of incorporating tent sites and glamping to drive future growth.
June 17, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 17th, 2026

In the June 17, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed the launch of a new outdoor hospitality data dashboard, the operational benefits of solid-wall yurt cabins, and the need for campgrounds to prepare for upcoming electrical code changes affecting RV pedestals.
May 20, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 20th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl interviews newcomer campground owner Jon Thatcher, exploring how modern operators can revitalize the outdoor hospitality industry by lowering barriers for younger generations, embracing premium glamping experiences, and utilizing innovative technology.
April 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 15th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, Robert Preston, Angele Miller, and Cody Fall discuss the rapid professionalization of the campground industry, ranging from the operational hurdles of managing dozens of properties to the successful integration of high-end wellness amenities. The group emphasizes that while scaling and technology are essential for growth, the core of their success lies in understanding shifting traveler demographics and revitalizing aging infrastructure to preserve the outdoor experience for future generations.
March 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 18th, 2026

In this MC Fireside Chats episode, industry experts discuss how campground operators can navigate economic shifts by focusing on data-driven management and resolving operational bottlenecks like poor customer service. They also debate the delicate balance between adopting new technologies, such as digital check-ins, and maintaining the essential human element of outdoor hospitality.
February 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 18th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and industry experts Mike Harrison, Robert Preston, Sandy Ellingson, and Jeff Hoffman discussed the current economic cycle of the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on market corrections and the importance of professional property management. The episode featured special guest Saurav Ghosal of Sojourn Lodging, who received strategic mentorship on rebranding, navigating seasonal occupancy shifts, and transitioning from an “outdoor hotel” identity to a defined glamping experience.
January 21, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 21st, 2026

Host Brian Searl leads a panel of industry experts and special guests from Daiva RV Resorts and Let’s Camp to discuss the 2026 outlook, debating the contrast between optimistic RV show attendance and the reality of normalizing booking windows and occupancy. The conversation further explores strategies for aligning state and national associations for better advocacy, balancing corporate efficiency with family-centric hospitality, and the increasing necessity of leveraging AI and data analytics in outdoor recreation.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

September 23, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 23rd, 2026

During the September 23, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that campground operators should embrace artificial intelligence to automate backend data and marketing workflows, ultimately saving time and boosting revenue while keeping the technology invisible to preserve genuine, human-to-human hospitality.
August 26, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 26th, 2026

During the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts agreed that while the rapid evolution of artificial intelligence and its use in marketing continues to spark debates over authenticity, its greatest value in outdoor hospitality lies in automating backend operations so staff can focus on delivering exceptional, human-to-human guest experiences.
June 24, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 24th, 2026

In the June 24, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts Matt Whitermore, Scott Lengel, and Craig Alsup discussed the urgent need for campground owners to embrace artificial intelligence and smart technologies. The panel highlighted how economic pressures and evolving consumer expectations are making digital innovation and operational efficiency essential for long-term survival in the outdoor hospitality market.
May 27, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 27th, 2026

In the May 27, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl, Cara Csizmadia, and Amber Simpson discussed the urgent need for campgrounds to adopt AI and adapt to changing Google search behaviors despite valid environmental reservations. The panel also emphasized that leaning on hyper-local marketing strategies and trusted industry partners is essential for operators to successfully navigate current economic headwinds and lower transient occupancy rates.
April 22, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 22nd, 2026

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl and his guests discuss how AI serves as an invisible intelligence layer to improve park efficiency and guest personalization. They conclude that the technology’s true value lies in automating the back office so that staff can focus entirely on providing an authentic human experience in nature.
March 25, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 25th, 2026

The episode featured Brian Searl, Peter Pilarski, and Mike Lee discussing how AI and shifting search behaviors are transforming discovery and marketing for campground owners and tourism operators, with Peter advocating for “digital authority” through structured website content, schema markup, and entity consistency, while Mike shared how restructuring data on his Campsite Tonight app’s pages tripled his search impressions. All three agreed that small business owners should start with practical steps like optimizing their Google Business Profile and answering real traveler questions on their websites, focusing on one priority at a time rather than trying to tackle everything at once.
February 25, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 25th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led a discussion on the rapid evolution of AI agents and “dark factory” patterns with experts Matt Whitermore, Kurtis Wilkins, Cara Csizmadia, and Patrick Mullen. The panel explored how these technologies are revolutionizing campground operations and digital marketing, emphasizing that even non-technical operators can now leverage high-speed AI tools to build custom software and optimize guest acquisition strategies.
January 28, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 28th, 2026

In a session focused on the future of outdoor hospitality, host Brian Searl and industry experts discussed how AI and automation are being used to streamline operations and enhance the guest experience. The panel emphasized that while technology handles backend efficiency and data-driven tasks, the primary goal remains freeing up staff to provide a more personalized, human touch for campers.
November 26, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – November 26th, 2025

The November 26th episode of MC Fireside Chats featured an in-depth discussion on the accelerating pace of AI, sparked by the new Gemini 3.0 model and the US government’s “Genesis Mission,” with host Brian Searl and guests Kurtis Wilkins, Matt Whitermore, Cara Csizmadia, and special guest Lizzy Bustamante. The panel explored how AI is transforming business operations and slowing job growth, stressing that the outdoor hospitality industry must leverage these tools to enhance the crucial, human-centric guest experience rather than fearing the technological shift.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.