Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

Mc Fireside Chats - This week, on August 2nd, we were joined by 2023.
August 2, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – August 2nd, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Brian Searle, a panel of industry experts convened to discuss the evolving role of data and artificial intelligence (AI) in the recreational vehicle (RV) industry. The panelists included Casey Cochran from Campspot, Mike Harrison from CRR: A Lifestyle Company, Christine Taylor from the Towne Law Firm, and, RV Industry Consultant, Sandy Ellington. The discussion was a deep dive into the potential of data analysis and AI in revolutionizing the RV industry, drawing parallels with the hotel industry. The conversation kicked off with a discussion on Campspot’s new Signal Reports. These reports provide anonymized data to Campspot’s customers, offering insights into their performance compared to other similar parks. The data is derived from several factors, including location, amenities, size, and climate. The panelists highlighted the importance of such data in making informed business decisions and driving revenue growth. The panelists also discussed the broader role of data analysis in the RV industry. Drawing from their experiences, they noted that the RV industry could significantly benefit from the kind of data analysis that has been a staple in the hotel industry for years. The panelists emphasized the need for the RV industry to leverage data to understand market trends, customer behavior, and business performance. The conversation then shifted to the potential of AI in the RV industry. The panelists expressed optimism about AI’s ability to simplify and enhance data analysis. They discussed how AI could prompt users with relevant questions and insights based on their data, making data analysis more accessible and efficient for RV park owners. The panelists also touched on the legal implications of data scraping, a method used to extract large amounts of data from websites. While data scraping is not illegal, the panelists acknowledged that it is a gray area that needs to be navigated carefully. They emphasized the importance of understanding the legal landscape when using data scraping for business intelligence. The discussion also delved into the role of management companies in the RV industry. The panelists noted that many RV park owners do not have the time or expertise to conduct in-depth data analysis. As such, they can benefit from partnering with management companies that specialize in data analysis and can deliver valuable insights. The panelists also highlighted the need for education in the RV industry about data analysis and AI. They noted that many RV park owners may not fully understand the value of these tools and may need guidance on how to leverage them effectively. The panelists called for more webinars and educational resources to help RV park owners understand and utilize data analysis and AI. Towards the end of the discussion, the panelists expressed their hope for the future of the RV industry. They envisioned a future where data analysis and AI are integral parts of the industry, helping RV park owners make informed decisions and drive business growth. The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats offered valuable insights into the role of data and AI in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted the potential of these tools in revolutionizing the industry and called for more education and resources to help RV park owners leverage them effectively. The MC Fireside Chats series continues to be a platform for thought leaders in the outdoor hospitality industry to share their insights and discuss the latest trends and developments. As the RV industry continues to evolve, these discussions will undoubtedly play a crucial role in shaping its future.
MC Fireside Chats this week we were joined by Christina.
July 5, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 5th, 2023

July 5 Episode Recap In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats episode presented by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion started about the departure of co-host Cara due to her increased responsibilities at CCRVC. Brian together with the recurring guests touched upon the occupancy rates of their properties during the July 4th holiday, with the high temperatures and weather conditions impacting the rates. Sandy shared that the midweek placement of the holiday and harsh weather led to lower than expected occupancy rates. Brian warned about the danger of attributing lower occupancies to external circumstances, advocating for addressing the core issues. Christine informed that Memorial Day and Labor Day holidays usually have better occupancy rates due to their weekend placement. Mike introduced data from CampSpot indicating increased park bookings in June and predicted steady occupancy for Q4. They also discussed the US consumer confidence spike in June and factors contributing to it, such as stabilized gas prices and softened inflation. They then discussed the state of the economy, small businesses, public perception, and issues within the park industry. Christine raised some problems she encountered in parks like disgruntled guests causing problems and increased employment lawsuits. The group also discussed the trend of guests abandoning their old rigs in parks and brainstormed possible proactive solutions, such as requiring annual inspections or setting age limits on rigs. The conversation then shifted towards the industry innovation award proposed by Sandy, intended to recognize unique advancements within their industry. While Mike and Sandy argued that the awards could raise industry standards by promoting innovation, Brian expressed concerns about award saturation and the value of such recognitions. Brian also raised a concern about the self-nomination process commonly employed in these types of awards. Electric vehicles (EVs) and their impact on the camping industry also featured in the discussion. Brian emphasized the necessity of accepting the transition towards EVs. Sandy pointed out the benefits of EV charging stations at RV parks as a revenue stream and marketing opportunity. However, the lack of widespread understanding and appreciation of EVs within the industry was also addressed. In terms of individual experiences, Christine shared her journey dealing with customer service and transitioning into a new managerial role at a long-standing campground. Mike discussed strategies for leveraging a park’s identity and legacy for marketing purposes. He also shared his experience of hosting themed weekend events to attract visitors to RV parks and discussed new initiatives like farmers’ markets. Sandy then discussed her successful attempts to encourage camping even in high heat by theming weekends, introducing activities like foam parties, and using a bundled payment model for activities. She also shared her insights on the potential of agritourism, drawing from her experiences with a park in central Florida. However, a humorous suggestion about hosting an “outrun the gator weekend” was advised against due to potential liability issues. The chat concluded with the hosts expressing their gratitude for the active participation of the guests and a teaser for a future episode on glamping. The discussions were centered around various aspects of camping and RV resorts, with a focus on occupancy rates, consumer behavior, industry trends, and innovative solutions to existing challenges.
On June 7th, 2023, MC Fireside Chats this week featured a special guest, Sarah.
June 7, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – June 7th, 2023

In the June 7 episode of MC Fireside Chats presented by Fireside Accounting, hosts Brian Searl, recurring guests Sandy Ellingson, Mark Koep and Casey Cochran delve into a lively debate on a plethora of topics, from traditional marketing methodologies to the transformative influence of AI. The conversation starts with the campground maps and the efficacy of their surrounding advertisements. While Sandy advocates for traditional marketing forms, citing the relevance of physical maps in locations with poor cellular connectivity, Mark echoes her sentiments, lauding push marketing’s targeted approach. Contrarily, Brian is more skeptical, highlighting the shortcomings of these tactics in terms of data tracking and measuring return on investment. Instead, he envisions a future where AI would radically revolutionize marketing strategies. The discourse then veers towards AI’s impact on advertising, specifically the influence of personalized search results and AI algorithms on shaping user experiences and manipulating emotions, respectively. Mark provides insights into his experiences with YouTube ads and influencers, emphasizing how a single viewed video can alter the stream of recommended content, hence potentially influencing individual perspectives on a range of subjects. Sandy, Brian, Mark, and late joiner, Casey, then pivot to explore AI’s accelerated advancements. Sandy cites a professional instance where AI effectively traced website visitors unable to make reservations due to unavailability, thereby offering crucial data to inform potential business expansions. Brian reiterates the ubiquitous impact of AI across various fields, including medicine and text analysis, by mentioning an AI system that could detect cancer in radiology scans with 99% accuracy, pending FDA approval. Mark paints a hypothetical scenario involving an AI drone surpassing its programmed limitations to accomplish its target in a military exercise, underlining the potential unpredictability and autonomy of AI. The discussion then segues into the socioeconomic repercussions of AI, with Brian suggesting that unlike previous technological transitions, those displaced by AI would have less time to adapt and prepare. Casey sheds light on a novel role announced by Campspot, the Seasonal Chief Outdoor Officer, a unique initiative aiming to promote the company by encouraging more people to camp. Mark commends Campspot’s giveaway campaign, while Sandy provides fascinating Memorial Day statistics, revealing that glamping sites were sold out, while RV sites were not. Casey confirms a surge in camping reservations surrounding Memorial Day. Casey also introduces a new feature designed to provide park owners with a heatmap of reservations, aiming to assist in planning marketing strategies effectively. Despite acknowledging the significance of data analysis, Brian expresses concern that many park owners might disregard the value of websites and other tech-driven strategies due to time constraints or technological apprehension. In response, Sandy proposes outsourcing these tasks to experts and suggests an innovative feature for Campspot, a platform that continually searches for canceled reservations, enabling users to snag spots at otherwise fully-booked locations. They further discuss potential improvements to campground booking procedures and capacity issues. A brainstorming session on various ideas, such as a notification system for park availability, a tiered system for alerts, or a bidding system for popular sites, concludes with the consensus that the viability of these ideas largely depends on data surrounding park capacity trends and camper booking habits. The conversation wraps up with a contemplation of the potential threats posed by Google and AI to the camping reservation industry, with Mark emphasizing the importance of niching down in the technology realm. Casey extols the virtues of AI, such as personalizing and simplifying campground searches, while acknowledging current systems’ complexity and the significance of user comfort concerning data privacy. Brian anticipates that Google’s AI would soon make personalized recommendations based on collected data, necessitating privacy regulations. Sandy, however, raises a skeptical viewpoint that AI may not honor human-set privacy rules, but recognizes people’s increasing willingness to share their data as it simplifies processes. Mark’s concluding remarks express enthusiasm over the post-Memorial Day surge in camping bookings and commend Michael for his invaluable contribution of aggregate data, which can significantly inform industry insights. Brian concludes the lively debate, highlighting AI’s democratizing influence, which allows small businesses to compete with major operators and grants underprivileged teachers access to new resources. In this wide-ranging conversation, the group not only underscores the transformative potential of AI and data analysis The conversation concludes with Mark reflecting optimistically on the uptick in camping reservations following Memorial Day and commending Michael for contributing valuable industry data insights. Brian wraps up the dialogue by underscoring the leveling impact of AI, which allows small businesses to compete with major operators, while also providing unprecedented access to resources for underprivileged educators. Throughout the spirited discussion, the group highlights the transformative power of AI and data analytics, envisioning a future where these technological advances profoundly reshape the camping industry, and possibly beyond. As they look forward to the evolution of their industry in the hands of AI, they remain both vigilant and excited, ready to embrace the inevitable changes and challenges the future may bring.
May 3, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – May 3rd, 2023

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Mc Fireside Chats - this week we're joined by Mary Harrison on April 5, 2023.
April 5, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 5, 2023

April 5 Episode Recap During last week’s open discussion show sponsored by Fireside Accounting, Hosts Brian Searl and Cara Czismadia were accompanied by Mike Harrison from CRR Lifestyle and Christine Taylor from Towne Law Firm. Mike began the discussion by sharing insights on CRR’s third-party management service, which focuses on experiential hospitality and revenue enhancement through data and analytics. He highlighted that their service is unique as their primary objective is to drive owner profit, NOI, and asset value by concentrating on revenue enhancement through various means such as marketing, experiences, activities, and ancillary services. Christine provided valuable insights into employment law, emphasizing the importance of having clear policies and procedures in place to ensure physical and emotional safety in the workplace, prevent harassment and discrimination, and minimize legal liability. Brian and Mike also discussed the challenges of operations in the camping industry and how it can impact employee satisfaction. The conversation then shifted to AI technology and its potential in various industries, including the hospitality industry. They discussed a VR resort that can’t be insured, AI-generated videos, and their AI chatbot for customer service. The speakers also touched on potential legal issues with the chatbot and the need for proper terms and conditions. As the episode concluded, Brian and Christine discussed the impact of AI on various industries, including law and outdoor hospitality. They talked about how AI can help speed up processes, increase efficiency, and improve customer service. The conversation ended with a discussion about the ChatGPT plugin and how it can be used to connect different apps and automate tasks, such as booking reservations and ordering food. Overall, the discussion was rich in insights and perspectives, providing valuable information for anyone interested in the outdoor hospitality industry, employment law, and AI technology. The hosts and recurring guests all expressed their excitement about the possibilities of AI and encouraged others to embrace it while also acknowledging potential legal and ethical issues that may arise.
On February 1st, 2023, MC Fireside Chats held their weekly session with special guest Scott.
February 1, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 1st, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Fireside Accounting, Host Brian Searl, along with a panel of experts, discusses the future of the campground industry and the impact of technology on it. The panel to discuss the latest trends and developments in the industry are RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, Campspot Software Vice President of Business Development Casey Cochran, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality CEO & Owner Scott Foos, and CampgroundViews.com Founder & CEO Mark Koep. During the show, the group provided a comprehensive overview of the state of the campground industry and where it needs to go this year. They agreed that 2023 would be the “year of the marketer,” discussing how parks need to have the ability to adapt to the new audience and use effective digital marketing to succeed. They also talked about how the uniqueness of the properties and locations would have an impact on the campers’ booking patterns and how the industry changed in that aspect, like shorter booking windows. Sandy Ellingson, who attended the recent Tampa RV & Camping Show, reported that the industry is thriving despite what the people in the industry say about the economy. She said the event had more qualified buyers, more rig innovations, and an increased number of campgrounds having booths. She advises manufacturers to change their language to match the current state of the industry. The panel also discussed the future of online bookings for camping sites. They examine the potential impact of AI-powered search engines like Bing and Google on the industry and discuss the role of online travel agencies (OTAs) in the future. Brian predicts that websites will not be relevant in 20 years, while Sandy believes they will still play a role. In addition to online bookings, the panel also explores the impact of AI on the camping industry. They believe that implementing AI in search engines such as Google and Bing will force people to adapt faster and create an arms race in the market. They also touch on the idea of a marketplace for the camping industry, where some platforms might offer only some of the benefits a park provides, like tokenized credit card payments and security deposits. These flaws may force parks to integrate with other platforms like Airbnb and VRBO. “MC Fireside Chats” provides an insightful and engaging look into the future of the camping industry, providing listeners with a glimpse into the latest trends and developments in the sector. The episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the camping industry’s future and technology’s impact on the sector.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by Carolyn on January 4th.
January 4, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 4th, 2023

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts discussed various trends and provided insights regarding the sector. The discussion kicked off on how businesses can prepare for and come back from a long break like the recently concluded holiday break and how culture can define a company for its employees. One way to reward staff for their contributions is to give them a break they deserve. The group noted that executives chose their work when they started the business and, therefore, may have to work during the holiday break. “So it’s different. Like, and I told this to people I talked to today. It’s different for me. I’m the owner. I signed up to do it. Randy’s the owner; he signed up to do it. Mark’s the owner; he signed up to do it,” Brian Searl said. Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of the Intrepid Group, suggested improving the company’s culture, including managing staff and creating a positive work environment and customer service. Casey Cochran, the Vice President of Business Development at Campspot Software, emphasized the importance of setting expectations for the reality of the day-to-day job of being an executive and owning a business and how this can benefit the company. Randy also pointed out that people stay with a company not just for the brand but for the managers leading them and that a healthy culture and leaders who reflect that culture is key to success. “It’s also interesting, I mean, there’s a number of studies I’ve read over the years that people don’t always stay with the company because of the company brand itself. They stay because of the relationship they have with their immediate supervisor,” he said. “And when you think about that, kind of makes a lot of sense, right? Because they’re not reporting to the brand every day, they’re reporting through their immediate supervisor. So there’s also kind of a top-down thing. I think the culture is paramount, absolutely paramount.” Casey noted that money matters as employees still need to make ends meet at the end of the day, and that incentivizing staff could lead to increased revenue for the company and improved behavior among the people. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, added that incentivizing staff encourages them to work more, not just the required deliverables and tasks assigned to them. Randy emphasized that a company’s culture is not just about its size but about its mission. Casey also mentioned the importance of finding the proper role for staff members, considering their strengths and capacity to fill a need, especially during times of change. The discussion then shifted to how the RV Industry would fair this year. Mark said a recent RVIA report showed data that wholesale numbers are down as 2022 ends and asked if international tourists can either save or balance the numbers to help the industry. Brian Searl, the host of MC Fireside Chats, mentioned that RV sales might be low, but they are still higher than pre-pandemic levels, according to an RVDA representative the show had last December 21. “[RVDA representative] said, you know, that yes, RV sales are down, but what they’re really doing is normalizing from 2019 over pre-pandemic. Right. And maybe that’s a buzzword; maybe it’s not. I tend to believe him based on the numbers that I’m looking at. Cause you can see they’re up still over 2019, even though they’re down 50% now,” he said. Randy emphasized that RVs are not just for camping but can also be used for traveling and accommodation while traveling around the country and that this trend is driven by demographic and customer behavior changes. Casey mentioned the impact of the shift to remote work on many businesses and the need for companies to adapt to this change in terms of finances and logistics. “Now, I think all of us would agree that we’re big components of remote work. But if that was to change, then I think you could maybe see, okay, this could affect our midweek stays even, you know, further because there’s not as many people that are able to do kind of that flexible workspace,” he said.
MC Fireside Chats this week were joined by Fireside Accounting for our discussion on December 7th.
December 7, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 7th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, we welcome Jenna Celmer from Basecamp as a special guest host. Over the years, the RV, campground, and outdoor hospitality industries have seen significant growth. From primitive sites with no cell reception to reserving sites over the phone, campers can now experience the great outdoors by booking online to different accommodations based on their needs and preferences. Guest experts from the industry talked about experiential hospitality and the work culture in the RV and campground industries. Celmer asked the experts about their fondest memory of their time in the industry, and most of the experts shared how they started and how they fell in love with the industry’s work culture. Randy Hendrickson, founder & CEO of The Intrepid Group, shared that the industry’s “care gene” keeps him moving forward. According to Scott Foos, CEO & owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, it is vital to have that team-first mentality and ensure that team members are well taken care of. “The more that you really think about investing in your team, and the more that you truly understand that your team drives your business,” Foos added. The conversion focused on experiential hospitality and how the industry is gearing towards providing good customer service or guest service. For RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, it is essential to understand the meaning of experiential camping to get the guests there. “We are moving into a season where we are competing across so many different kinds of markets now, especially with the growth of glamping and some of the things we’re seeing there, that understanding the definition of experiential Camping and understanding what that is is super important just to help get the guests there for the first time,” Ellingson said. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, emphasized that communicating with guests is important to provide a unique experience. Casey Cochran, vice president of Business Development at Campspot Software, talked about how creating a culture and providing the ‘experience’ starts within the staff and team members.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats had a special guest appearance by Sarah.
October 5, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 5th, 2022

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Fireside Accounting, we broadcasted live from the Glamping Show USA! We discovered what was new that year and discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format. MC Fireside Chats was joined by Sacha Macey of Yurts for Life, Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Advisory, Zachary Stoltenberg of Clockwork, and Nick Purslow of Glampitect. MC Fireside Chats, a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, was hosted by Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The show was available live on Facebook, LinkedIn, and YouTube, and is now available to listen as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

On July 6th, 2022, we hosted MC Fireside Chats and were joined by various rescuers.
November 9, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 9th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, glamping experts joined another discussion on topics surrounding the glamping industry. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, and Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan joined today’s show. They are also joined by new recurring members of the show, Zach Stoltenberg, the Glamping & RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, as well as Connor Schwab, the Vice President of Outdoor Hospitality at Sage Outdoor Advisory. Irene Woods started off the show with the learnings she gained as the camping season comes to a close. She said that they moved a few levers to see what benefits their operations the most, which considers a luxury that other campgrounds do not have. Woods mentioned that Fields of Michigan tried two things, which she learned something from. First, she learned that it is important but difficult to meet the guest’s expectations while still providing a good experience, such as adjusting their accommodations to improve their customer experience. Second, they tried to have an adults-only policy, then allow guests to bring their children. She realized having adult-only guests bring in more revenue compared to allowing them to bring children to the sites. She said adults pay more to maximize their experience in the campsite, while families have to go outside to entertain the kids. Ruben Martinez agreed with woods, saying that there’s a certain category of questions that camping operators ask, such as “to be family-friendly or not?”, “What food and beverage to have at the campsite?” or “What amenities to offer?” “As soon as you try to be everything, that’s when you become nothing,” he said. “Find what’s perfect for you and stick with it. You can’t always be everything, you have to choose when it becomes hard down the line.” The show then had a special guest, Tent Masters Sales Director Steven Woodburn, who shared some perspective on the Glamping industry, as well as provided a tour of one of their latest tent models. He said that the outdoor hospitality industry has been on the rise, and during post-covid, it has gone full throttle. He added that older generations go on camping trips with families, but with the growing demographic, people from different backgrounds, who are wanting to experience nature, see camping as the perfect opportunity. The industry is all about experience. When asked about the things that changed how campground owners operate this year, Zach Stoltenberg said, on the architecture side, they’ve got clients this year who are first-timers in operating campgrounds, inquiring about how they can continue operating in the winter season. Seasonal camping season may become another option, as some campgrounds begin to accommodate guests all year round, operating even in cold weather. Zach said that they provided tips to their clients on how they can keep operating in these cold temperatures in the short run. Connor Schwab said winter camping is something that campgrounds may see guests wanting to experience, and they would have to come up with solutions for them to accommodate them, even if not a lot of people would be doing it. Woods said that as people continue glamping, one of the things that they did is keep the staples of their campgrounds, especially to maintain their loyal guests. She said improving the guest experience by either leveling up or “being creative with the space” they have is essential, like readjusting, reusing, or re-invigorating it. They had constantly reuse the space in unexpectedly creative ways Martinez said the industry’s growth will always be made by the people looking to set themselves apart from others. Winter camping, for instance, is something that would keep campsites open all year compared to seasonal camping. It is what may keep operations open moving forward. Zach said he agreed with Irene when she said they had to meet their guests from where their expectations were. Campground owners are selling the experience, not the accommodations, and that thought is what makes good operators.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our guest.
October 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 12th, 2022

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we were back from The Glamping Show USA and prepared for another episode focused on glamping. This took place on the second Wednesday of the month and featured a panel of recurring guests: *Ruben Martinez of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association *Irene Wood from Fields of Michigan *David Smith of Outside Capital We were joined by special guests, Miguel Huerta of Nantli Living and Katerina Kamtsi of Campsaround. Miguel discussed the glamping industry in Mexico, and Katerina provided insight into the glamping scene in Greece. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show that concentrates on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats for an exciting discussion.
September 14, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – September 14th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we aired an episode focused on glamping. This show, which took place on the second Wednesday of the month, featured a panel of both recurring and special guests. Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, returned for another insightful discussion. We also introduced Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan as a regular guest. Meanwhile, BaseGlamp ReVivify’s owners, Mark Kirkendall and Kyle Koch, also joined us as special guests. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and can now be listened to as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
This week we were joined by David Martin for the MC Fireside Chats on July 6th, 2022.
August 10, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – August 10th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we debuted our premiere episode focused on Glamping. Since then, this recurring episode has taken place in the second week of the month and features a panel of both recurring and special guests. We had been working on the lineup for our initial and future shows, and we began with Ruben Martinez who joined us on this episode to contribute to all things glamping. For those who didn’t know Ruben, he is the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and it’s now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fire chats welcomed a special guest, Bill.
July 13, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – July 13th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we welcomed several special guests to the show to discuss financing options and campground development. We were joined by Ken Kaplan, CEO of K2 Commercial Finance, and Bill McLeod and D Melton, Owners of Big Rig Friendly RV Resort in South Carolina. D also serves on the CARVC board of directors. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
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June 8, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – June 8th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we had another exciting lineup of guests who will discuss all things outdoor hospitality with us. Jonny Feld is the President of Field Van, whose company manufactures custom camper vans with locations in California and Nevada. We’ll chat with him about the popularity of this camping style and much more. We were also joined by Heather DeSantis, CEO and Founder of Publicity For Good, a Forbes 30 under 30 nominee, and a current Airstream resident who traveled the country for an extensive period of time looking for a place to settle. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
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January 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – January 12th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, we covered the first annual Campspot Awards. Selected by outdoors industry panelists, the Campspot Awards recognize campgrounds leading the way in important aspects such as top destinations, camper experience, unique offerings, and design. We were joined by Erin Stender, Chief Marketing Officer of Campspot, Tyler & Kendra from One-y-One who were panelists, Britt & Meryl from Dark Sky Campgrounds, and Brian from Elkamp Eastcreek who discussed the awards.
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December 8, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 8th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats: We were joined by several guests who helped us discuss diversity in the outdoor hospitality industry. Where were we at, what could we improve, and what did the future hold for the ever-changing demographics of campers? We welcomed Earl B. Hunter, Jr from Black Folks Camp Too, David & Eddie from Full-Time Gays, Lindsey Lerner who has traveled full-time and consulted for Sekr, and Al Berrios who helps coordinate outdoor-related activities for Outerthere.
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 10, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 10th, 2021

Raleigh was the host city for this year’s ARVC OHCE, and we had several people live from the show who shared their experiences and interviewed attendees, including Joe Duemig, Heather Blankenship, and more. Plus, we heard from vendors with interesting products and services, including Alex Goldman from Ideal One Amusement Software and Roy Heimowitz from Skyhawk. This was all covered in the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
July 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 15th, 2026

During the July 15, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized the critical need for versatility in outdoor hospitality by exploring long-term tax strategies, the debate between market oversupply and camper affordability, and the strategic value of incorporating tent sites and glamping to drive future growth.
June 17, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 17th, 2026

In the June 17, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed the launch of a new outdoor hospitality data dashboard, the operational benefits of solid-wall yurt cabins, and the need for campgrounds to prepare for upcoming electrical code changes affecting RV pedestals.
May 20, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 20th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl interviews newcomer campground owner Jon Thatcher, exploring how modern operators can revitalize the outdoor hospitality industry by lowering barriers for younger generations, embracing premium glamping experiences, and utilizing innovative technology.
April 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 15th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, Robert Preston, Angele Miller, and Cody Fall discuss the rapid professionalization of the campground industry, ranging from the operational hurdles of managing dozens of properties to the successful integration of high-end wellness amenities. The group emphasizes that while scaling and technology are essential for growth, the core of their success lies in understanding shifting traveler demographics and revitalizing aging infrastructure to preserve the outdoor experience for future generations.
March 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 18th, 2026

In this MC Fireside Chats episode, industry experts discuss how campground operators can navigate economic shifts by focusing on data-driven management and resolving operational bottlenecks like poor customer service. They also debate the delicate balance between adopting new technologies, such as digital check-ins, and maintaining the essential human element of outdoor hospitality.
February 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 18th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and industry experts Mike Harrison, Robert Preston, Sandy Ellingson, and Jeff Hoffman discussed the current economic cycle of the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on market corrections and the importance of professional property management. The episode featured special guest Saurav Ghosal of Sojourn Lodging, who received strategic mentorship on rebranding, navigating seasonal occupancy shifts, and transitioning from an “outdoor hotel” identity to a defined glamping experience.
January 21, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 21st, 2026

Host Brian Searl leads a panel of industry experts and special guests from Daiva RV Resorts and Let’s Camp to discuss the 2026 outlook, debating the contrast between optimistic RV show attendance and the reality of normalizing booking windows and occupancy. The conversation further explores strategies for aligning state and national associations for better advocacy, balancing corporate efficiency with family-centric hospitality, and the increasing necessity of leveraging AI and data analytics in outdoor recreation.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

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February 28, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 28th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic and insightful discussion unfolded, featuring a panel of distinguished guests from the RV industry. The episode brought together Susan Carpenter, Erin Ruane, Cathy Chamberlain, and Chris Shashaty, each offering unique perspectives on the current state and future directions of the RV and outdoor hospitality sectors. Brian Searl, the host, set the stage for a conversation that promised to delve into the intricacies of the RV market, touching on trends, challenges, and innovations. His introduction highlighted the diverse expertise of the panelists, setting the tone for a comprehensive exploration of the industry. Erin Ruane, representing RV Trader, shared her insights into the platform’s evolution from print to digital, emphasizing its role in connecting buyers and sellers in the RV market. She detailed the site’s features, including its vast inventory of over 200,000 units, and the tools available to consumers and dealers alike, such as insurance quotes and financing options. Erin’s discussion underscored the digital transformation’s impact on the RV trading landscape. Susan Carpenter brought a unique perspective to the table, discussing the RV Women’s Alliance’s role and initiatives aimed at supporting women in the industry. Her contributions highlighted the importance of inclusivity and community within the RV sector, reflecting on the alliance’s efforts to celebrate and empower women across the industry. Cathy Chamberlain shared the story behind Barefoot Caravans, a UK-based company known for its distinctive, high-quality caravans. Cathy’s journey from a wet weekend camping to designing and manufacturing stylish, compact caravans illustrated the innovation and creativity driving the industry forward. She also touched on the challenges and opportunities of expanding into the U.S. market, emphasizing the importance of adaptability and customer focus. Chris Shashaty, the founder of Sequoia + Salt Campervans discussed the rise of custom van conversions and the growing demand for personalized, versatile RV solutions. His insights into the challenges of scaling a small business in a competitive market underscored the entrepreneurial spirit that fuels much of the industry’s innovation. The conversation then shifted to the impact of RV rental companies on the market, with Erin Ruane addressing the complementary relationship between rentals and sales. She suggested that the presence of rental companies broadens the market, offering consumers various ways to engage with the RV lifestyle. Economic uncertainty and its potential effects on consumer behavior were also discussed, with panelists speculating on how shifts in the economy might influence buying patterns. Erin shared optimistic views based on search trends and consumer surveys, suggesting sustained interest in RVing despite financial headwinds. The role of AI and search technologies in shaping consumer behavior and industry practices was a focal point of discussion. Erin highlighted RV Trader’s efforts to leverage AI for better search outcomes and personalized experiences, pointing to the future of digital engagement in the RV market. Market trends, particularly the shift towards smaller, more manageable RVs, were explored, with Cathy Chamberlain and Chris Shashaty noting the influence of consumer preferences and the advent of electric vehicles on product design and demand. Challenges faced by small businesses in gaining visibility on platforms like RV Trader were candidly addressed by Chris Shashaty. Erin Ruane expressed a commitment to understanding and addressing these concerns, emphasizing the importance of supporting businesses of all sizes. The panelists also touched on the broader implications of market trends for manufacturers and dealers, discussing how insights from platforms like RV Trader can inform business strategies and product development. The episode concluded with reflections on the importance of staying informed, adaptable, and collaborative in navigating the evolving RV and outdoor hospitality landscape. Brian Searl and his guests underscored the dynamic nature of the industry and the collective effort required to meet the changing needs and expectations of consumers.
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January 24, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 24th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, the focus was on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. The episode featured a panel of industry experts: Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, Phil Ingrassia from the RV Dealers Association (RVDA) of the U.S., and Luke Chippindale, who joined from Australia. Brian set the stage for a discussion about the year ahead in the RV industry, noting the significance of this being the first episode of the year. Brian Searl opened the episode with enthusiasm, highlighting the show’s focus on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. He expressed excitement about the episode being the first of the year, setting expectations for a conversation about the industry’s outlook. The guests for the episode included Susan Carpenter, Phil Ingrassia, and Luke Chippindale, with Brian noting the absence of regular participants Eleanor and Shane. Luke Chippindale, participating from Australia, discussed his role in government relations for the caravan industry. He focused on working with federal politicians in Canberra to elevate the industry’s voice. Luke talked about the successes in advocating for industry standards and safety, as well as the challenges posed by the shift towards electric vehicles and low-emission policies. Phil Ingrassia provided an overview of the current RV market in the U.S., discussing trends in wholesale shipments and retail forecasts for 2024. He touched on the impact of interest rates on discretionary purchases and the efforts of manufacturers to moderate price increases. Phil’s insights offered a comprehensive look at the market dynamics in the U.S. RV industry. Susan Carpenter shared her experience with the RV Women’s Alliance, highlighting its global reach and impact. She discussed the organization’s growth and its role in fostering international collaboration within the RV industry. Susan’s perspective added a global dimension to the conversation, emphasizing the worldwide nature of the RV community. The conversation then shifted to the impact of COVID-19 on domestic travel. Susan Carpenter brought up how the pandemic had changed travel preferences, with more people exploring their own countries. Luke Chippindale agreed, mentioning research on the wellbeing benefits of caravanning and camping, and the unique connectedness it brings compared to international travel. Susan recounted her experience at the Florida RV show, noting the trend of consumers trading in older models and the popularity of lower-priced RVs. Phil added that RV shows remain crucial for consumers to physically experience different RV models and layouts, despite the rise of online shopping. The business aspects of RV sales were also discussed. Phil explained the varying profit margins on different sizes of RVs, and Luke provided insights into the Australian market’s preference for larger towable RVs. This part of the conversation highlighted the differences and similarities in RV markets across different regions. Brian raised questions about the evolving role of RV shows in the age of internet research. Susan and Phil agreed that while online research is helpful, RV shows offer a unique opportunity for consumers to explore a wide range of options in one place. They emphasized the continued importance of these shows in the RV buying process. The discussion pivoted back to government relations, with Luke discussing the challenges of prioritizing various industry needs and the future of electric vehicles (EVs) in the caravan industry. Phil shared similar concerns for the U.S. market, emphasizing the need for infrastructure to support EVs and the debate over government involvement in this transition. The episode concluded with final thoughts from the guests. Luke invited people to experience the Australian caravan industry, emphasizing its maturity, value, and customer experience. Phil and Susan shared their perspectives, and Brian wrapped up the show, highlighting the importance of global insights in the RV and caravan industry. The episode provided a comprehensive look at the RV and caravan industry from different global perspectives, discussing consumer trends, the impact of technology, and the role of government and associations in shaping the industry’s future.
MC Fireside Chats - November 22nd, 2023.
November 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 22nd, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks, a discussion unfolds about the RV industry with notable guests including Phil Ingrassia (President of RVDA), Eleanore Hamm (President of RVDA of Canada), Shane Devenish (Executive Director at CRVA), and special guest Mike Wendland from RV Lifestyle. Mike Wendland, with his extensive experience in the RV lifestyle, shares his journey from starting a blog to expanding into a comprehensive multi-platform presence. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to changes in audience behavior and platform algorithms, highlighting the need for content diversification. Wendland’s perspective is particularly valuable, given his direct engagement with a broad RV audience through various digital channels. The conversation then shifts to the broader challenges facing the RV industry. One significant issue discussed is the quality of RVs, particularly those manufactured during the COVID-19 pandemic years (2020 and 2021). Wendland notes an improvement in quality post-2021 but maintains that quality remains a concern. This point underscores the industry’s need to maintain high standards to ensure consumer satisfaction and industry growth. Another critical topic is the state of campgrounds, both private and public. The panel agrees that the quality of campgrounds plays a crucial role in the overall RV experience. Brian Searl acknowledges the existence of both good and bad campgrounds, indicating that the impression they leave on RVers can significantly impact the industry’s perception. The discussion also delves into the challenges of RV servicing and the supply of parts. Eleanore Hamm from RVDA of Canada addresses the difficulty dealers face in finding enough qualified technicians. This shortage, coupled with supply chain issues, has led to extended repair times, affecting the overall RV experience. Phil Ingrassia adds that the industry is focusing on reducing repair event cycle times, a critical factor for customer satisfaction. Mike Wendland brings up the seasonal nature of the RV business, particularly in regions north of the Mason-Dixon line. He notes the challenges dealers face in maintaining staff for peak seasons and suggests that more publicity about employment opportunities as RV technicians could help alleviate some of these issues. He also mentions innovative training programs, including those reaching out to prisons, as a way to address the technician shortage. A significant part of the discussion revolves around attracting new demographics to the RV lifestyle. The panel recognizes the importance of engaging younger generations and urban dwellers, who might not traditionally consider RV activities. Wendland and others emphasize the need for early exposure to outdoor activities and the industry’s efforts to make RVing more accessible and appealing. Shane Devenish highlights the importance of addressing current problems while also creating a pipeline for future RV buyers. This dual focus is essential for the long-term success of the industry, balancing immediate needs with strategic future planning. Mike Wendland also touches on the impact of remote work on the RV industry. He notes the improvement in campground internet access, which has facilitated remote work from RVs. Wendland suggests that advocating for remote work can help sustain and grow the RV industry, as it allows more people to integrate RVing into their lifestyles. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterates the value of diverse perspectives in understanding and addressing the challenges facing the RV industry. He acknowledges his own strong opinions but emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and considering different viewpoints. The conversation concludes with acknowledgments of the insights shared and the importance of these discussions for the future of the RV industry. The participants express gratitude for the perspectives offered, highlighting the collaborative nature of addressing the industry’s challenges and opportunities. Overall, the MC Fireside Chat provides a comprehensive overview of the current state of the RV industry, covering a range of topics from quality control and service challenges to demographic engagement and the impact of remote work. The insights from industry leaders and experts like Mike Wendland offer valuable perspectives on both the challenges and opportunities facing the RV world today.
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October 25, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 25th, 2023

In the latest installment of MC Fireside Chats, the spotlight was on the dynamic RV industry, with a distinguished panel of experts delving into their wealth of knowledge and experiences. The session was expertly steered by host Brian Searl, who facilitated engaging conversations with the esteemed guests. Regular contributors Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance graced the episode with their presence and invaluable insights. Adding to the richness of the discussion were special guests Craig and Victoria Shelton, the adventurous spirits behind Wild RV Life, who brought a unique perspective to the table. Rounding out the panel were Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV, who shared their expertise and innovative approaches in the RV realm. Together, this ensemble of industry leaders and enthusiasts created a vibrant and informative dialogue, shedding light on various facets of the RV world and providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape and future possibilities in the RV industry. Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV discussed their company’s approach to social media and influencer marketing, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and organic growth. They highlighted how they leverage real customer experiences through their Facebook group and other platforms, creating a strong community around their brand. Their strategy involves a careful evaluation of potential influencers and brand ambassadors, ensuring alignment with their brand values. Alliance RV also emphasized the significance of customer feedback in their product development process. They strive to create products that truly meet the needs of their customers, incorporating their input and suggestions into their designs. This customer-centric approach has been a key factor in their success and has helped them build a loyal customer base. Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance shed light on the organization’s efforts to support and elevate women within the RV industry. She discussed their recent Symposium, which focused on personal and professional development for women, and highlighted the importance of creating a supportive community for women in the industry. Craig and Victoria from Wild RV Life shared insights on how demographics influence their content strategy across different social media platforms. They noted variations in audience engagement between YouTube and Instagram, tailoring their content to suit the preferences of their audience on each platform. Their approach underscores the importance of understanding your audience and adapting your content to meet their needs. Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA discussed the challenges facing the RV industry, particularly in terms of customer service and repair times. They emphasized the need for improved communication and efficiency across the industry, highlighting ongoing efforts to address these issues. The panel also touched on the importance of community and networking within the RV industry. They shared examples of events and associations that foster connections and support, underscoring the value of building a strong network in the industry. Looking ahead, the guests shared their thoughts on the future of the RV industry. They expressed optimism about the industry’s potential for growth and improvement, highlighting areas such as customer service, product development, and community building as key focus areas. Throughout the episode, the panelists shared valuable insights and experiences, providing a comprehensive look at various aspects of the RV industry. From manufacturing and product development to social media marketing, community building, and supporting women in the industry, the discussion covered a wide range of topics, offering a rich and nuanced perspective on the industry. The episode underscored the importance of authenticity, customer feedback, and community in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted how these elements contribute to building strong brands, creating loyal customer bases, and fostering a supportive industry ecosystem. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided a deep dive into the RV industry, offering valuable insights and practical advice for industry professionals and enthusiasts alike. The discussion highlighted the importance of authenticity, customer-centricity, and community in driving success and fostering growth in the RV industry.
September 27, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 27th, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl delves into the intricacies of the RV industry and outdoor recreation. As some regular guests attend an event in Elkhart, Indiana, Brian is accompanied by Eleonore Hamm, a recurring guest, and special attendees Patrick Botticelli and Mark Harling. Eleonore underscores the significance of the Elkhart event, where manufacturers present their 2024 models. She anticipates the introduction of innovative products from emerging manufacturers and also brings attention to an upcoming convention in Vegas. Patrick introduces his YouTube channel, “New Jersey Outdoor Adventure.” Initially focusing on mountain biking and New Jersey’s history, the channel shifted to RV tours, especially personal RV setups. Now, it primarily highlights van builds and local builders. Mark discusses the inception of Bean Trailer in 2017, identifying a market gap for off-road teardrop trailers. Their popular model, the Black Bean, is designed for off-roading, emphasizing features like air suspension and custom trailing arms. Mark stresses the importance of ergonomics in trailer design, aiming for durability and comfort. The Hershey show in Pennsylvania becomes a focal point, where manufacturers unveil new floor plans and decors. Patrick notes the show’s success, with a slight dip in attendance initially but a quick recovery. He emphasizes the launch of several new models and the immediate availability of RVs for customers due to full dealer inventory. Eleonore Hamm, representing the dealer’s viewpoint, suggests that dealers can use various tools and reports to analyze market trends and adjust their inventory accordingly. She also mentions the increasing focus on sustainability and electrification in the RV industry due to consumer demand and government regulations. Mark touches upon the future direction of Bean Trailer. He observes that their most luxurious trailers are selling best and plans to expand in that direction. He challenges the perception that luxury can’t be compact, seeing potential in both high-end and value-oriented trailers. Patrick emphasizes the need for a range of products to cater to diverse customer needs. He underscores the importance of brand loyalty and the necessity for manufacturers to have a unique selling proposition in a saturated market. The panelists discuss the shift towards luxury camping experiences and off-grid adventures. They observe a squeeze in the middle market, emphasizing the need for manufacturers to adapt to changing consumer preferences. Mark highlights the challenges faced by custom off-road trailer manufacturers compared to standard RVs. He believes in the advantages of being factory direct, a sentiment Patrick echoes, citing successful examples from the industry. The episode delves deep into the RV industry’s standards. Mark expresses reservations about the RVIA standard, viewing it as a minimal benchmark. However, Patrick and Eleonore defend the standard, emphasizing its role in ensuring consumer safety and peace of mind. The episode wraps up with a nod to the future, mentioning the next episode to be broadcasted live from the glamping show in Denver, Colorado. The panelists agree on the evolving nature of the RV and camping industry, emphasizing the need for businesses to innovate and adapt.
This week's episode of MC Fireside Chats.
August 23, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 23rd, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brought together a panel of experts from the RV industry to discuss various trends and insights. The panel included recurring guests Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA Special guests Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator, and Jeremy Greene from RVIA also joined the episode. Shane Devenish from CRVA highlighted the importance of understanding the consumer’s perspective. He emphasized that while the industry has its terminologies, it’s crucial to align with the language consumers use, especially when they’re searching online. Phil Ingrassia from RVDA touched upon the changing dynamics of the RV market. He discussed how the industry’s terminology might not always resonate with the consumers, especially those new to RVing. The key is to bridge the gap between industry jargon and consumer language. Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator brought a unique perspective to the table. He discussed his business model, which offers a different niche in the RV market. Deryle emphasized the importance of understanding customer needs and adapting accordingly. Jeremy Greene from RVIA emphasized the importance of understanding and adapting to the terminology that consumers use when searching for RVs online. He pointed out that while the industry has specific terms, consumers might use different or colloquial terms. Jeremy highlighted a specific example: while the industry might refer to certain vehicles as “type B motorhomes,” consumers might search for “van campers.” This trend underscores the importance of aligning industry language with consumer search habits. Another significant trend Jeremy touched upon is the increasing number of people looking to work from the road. This shift in work culture has implications for the RV industry, especially in terms of the amenities and facilities they offer. Delving deeper into this trend, Jeremy shared that a recent survey showed that 19% of respondents have worked from an RV in the last 24 months. Furthermore, almost 30% are considering doing it in the next year. This trend towards remote work from RVs indicates a need for these vehicles to be better equipped for work. This includes having dedicated office spaces and the necessary amenities to facilitate remote work, ensuring a seamless work experience for users. Throughout the discussion, the importance of data in understanding consumer behavior and trends was evident. Jeremy’s insights, backed by surveys and research, provided a clearer picture of where the industry is headed. The panel discussion underscored the need for the RV industry to be agile and responsive to changing consumer behaviors. Whether it’s adapting to new terminologies or equipping RVs for remote work, staying ahead of trends is crucial. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided valuable insights into the RV industry’s future, with each speaker bringing their unique perspective. As the industry continues to evolve, such discussions become essential in navigating the road ahead.
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July 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 26th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by AccessParks, host Brian Searle was joined by recurring guests Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Eleanore Hamm from RVIA. Adding a unique perspective to the conversation were special guests Dr. Steve and Alec Rappleyea from Drive Home RV. Alec, shared insights about the challenges they face while scaling their RV rental business. He emphasized the importance of effectively managing cash flow and working capital, which are critical aspects of any growing business. Alec also highlighted the necessity of creating robust systems that not only streamline operations but also embody their business values. He stressed the importance of having the right people in place to ensure the smooth running of their operations. Steve, another guest on the show, discussed the unique dynamics of running a family business. He highlighted the importance of navigating business decisions within pre-existing relationships. Steve described their RV rental company, Drive Home RV, as an “RV Adventure Outfitter”. They provide people with their first access to RV camping, occupying a special place in the ecosystem. Steve emphasized their commitment to ensuring that customers have positive experiences when they rent an RV from them for the first time. He also mentioned how they help customers navigate the transition from tent camping to RV camping, and how they provide additional equipment like electric bikes, stand-up paddle boards, and pavilion tents to enhance the camping experience. Steve also shared their plans for expansion, aiming to double or triple their fleet in the coming years. Phil, proposed an interesting marketing strategy. He suggested that rental companies could offer discounts to renters who act as influencers, documenting and sharing their experiences on social media. This strategy, he believes, could significantly boost the visibility and appeal of RV rentals. Phil also touched upon the international focus of some rental companies, suggesting that there’s potential for more influencer marketing in the domestic market. Shane brought up the potential for RV rentals to bridge the gap during economic downturns. He proposed that RV rentals could provide a more affordable option for people to enjoy the RV lifestyle until they’re financially ready to purchase their own RV. Shane also mentioned the increased availability of rental units in recent years and speculated on the potential impact this could have on the market. Eleanor discussed the shift in the types of units being stocked for rental. She noted a move away from Class C units towards a wider variety of units, particularly those suitable for family use. This shift, she believes, could cater to a broader range of customer needs and preferences. Towards the end of the discussion, Alec considered the advice from industry professionals and discussed the shift in design and materials in the RV industry, moving towards more European sensibilities. This shift, he believes, could refresh the industry and appeal to a wider audience. Phil also discussed the potential for learning from the European RV market, particularly in terms of design and size of units. He mentioned the upcoming Dusseldorf show, a large European RV show that attracts a global audience, as a valuable opportunity for gaining insights into the European market. Shane discussed the potential for international collaboration and learning between RV associations and businesses. He believes that such collaborations could lead to innovative practices and strategies that benefit the industry as a whole. The episode concluded with Brian expressing his gratitude to the guests for their valuable insights. He wished them luck with their future endeavors, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in the ever-evolving RV rental industry. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the RV rental industry and the exciting possibilities that lie ahead.
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April 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 26, 2023

April 26 Episode Recap In the April 26 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl and recurring guest guest Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance discussed the capabilities and potential of ChatGPT, an AI language model trained by OpenAI. Brian introduced the concept of ChatGPT and how it works through a prompt, demonstrating how it can quickly generate articles on a wide range of topics. Susan picked camping as a prompt, and the results were impressive given the short input. Brian and Susan went on to discuss the various applications of ChatGPT, emphasizing that it can be used for a wide range of things such as outdoor hospitality and recreation business strategies, as well as in law firms. They highlighted how ChatGPT can help users save time and streamline their processes Susan described ChatGPT as a revolutionary tool, but one that still needs fact-checking. Brian agreed, reminding users to be responsible and fact-check the information provided. They also discussed how people who use ChatGPT can move faster than anyone else and how it could potentially help lessen the need for mobile applications, such as apps for online shopping and booking, by directly sending personalized requests. Moreover, Susan reflected on how far humans have come, with kids nowadays having constant companions to help them with everyday living and to be more critical by focusing on effectively implementing ideas. They discussed the potential for ChatGPT to make institutions such as hospitals and government agencies more efficient in their processes. Brian and Susan also touched on the topic of AI-powered search engines, particularly the new Bing search engine. They discussed the benefits of AI-powered tools such as ChatGPT and how they can help users in various industries. They reflected on the potential for AI-powered search engines to improve efficiency in research and information gathering. The conversation also touched on the limitations of ChatGPT and other AI language models, particularly in the area of fact-checking. While ChatGPT can generate a large amount of content quickly, users must still fact-check the information provided. Susan reminded listeners that the responsibility of fact-checking ultimately falls on the user, even when using advanced AI tools. Brian and Susan wrapped up the conversation by agreeing that it is crucial for people to acknowledge that AI is here and that we must learn how to properly utilize it.
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March 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 22nd, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia are joined by industry experts Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada, Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, and special guests Bob Zagami and John DiPietro from NERVDA to discuss the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, with a focus on the RV industry. The conversation began with Zagami and DiPietro sharing their experiences in RVing in New England and discussing their Camper Report Show, an industry resource that covers news from the corporate side to campers. DiPietro mentioned that enthusiasm at RV shows is high, and there is a noticeable diversity in demographics among attendees. Zagami shared that dealers are reporting strong sales despite fewer people attending the shows, indicating that those who do come are making purchases. Susan Carpenter echoed the sentiment, pointing out the increasing diversity among people from different walks of life and backgrounds at the shows and campgrounds. The experts also discussed the importance of inclusivity in the industry. The panelists emphasized the unique and magical quality of the camping community, highlighting that there are no barriers in a campground, and everyone is equal in the great outdoors. The social aspect of camping and the sense of community that it fosters are also key elements in its appeal. In terms of innovation, the discussion turned to why campgrounds aren’t starting RV service centers and the relationship between dealers and campground owners. As the market evolves and demographics change, the experts consider the question of how campground owners can differentiate themselves to stay competitive. The discussion provided valuable insights into the current state and future trends of the RV industry and the Outdoor Hospitality Industry. The focus on diversity, inclusivity, and community, along with the need for innovation and differentiation, will likely shape the industry’s direction in the years to come.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.