Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

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June 7, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – June 7th, 2021

In this episode, we discussed KOA’s latest real-time availability feature on their website, issues hiring employees, and much more. Special guests for this open discussion include Ryan Crots from Petoskey KOA Holiday in Michigan.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

On September 13th, 2023, we were joined by Jonnie for the MC Fireside Chats.
September 13, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 13th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, Cara Csizmadia rejoined as a guest host. She led a panel that included special guests Richard Cherry, owner of Cherry Glamping, and Alexander Allred, owner of Blueridge Glamping. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, founder of the American Glamping Association, and Zach Stoltenberg, Glamping and RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, were also present. Together, they delved deep into the nuances of the glamping industry, focusing on sustainability and the integration of technology. The conversation initiated with a focus on the foundational role of sustainability in the glamping industry. The panelists, including Ruben Martinez and Alexander Allred, shared their firsthand experiences, highlighting the high costs and complexities involved in setting up renewable energy sources and aligning sustainability with customer expectations. Richard Cherry emphasized the hidden costs associated with infrastructure development, including sewage and power systems, advising prospective business owners to be realistic in their budgeting. As the discussion progressed, the panelists, including Ruben and Zach, noted a trend towards “shovel-ready” projects to mitigate the risk of delays, emphasizing the importance of setting a realistic opening date to ensure completion. They shared insights on the current investment climate, highlighting a heightened sensitivity to the time taken from the inception to the first booking, a factor becoming increasingly critical in investment decisions. Zach Stoltenberg brought a fresh perspective, encouraging businesses to start with small sustainable choices that can enhance the guest experience while being eco-friendly. He mentioned the evolving industry standards and certifications that can help resorts market themselves as sustainable, adding value to their brand. He also introduced the concept of dark skies compliance as a new classification in the industry, emphasizing the need to start somewhere in the journey towards sustainability. Towards the end of the discussion, Zach shared an exciting development about a potential collaboration with a software company to develop a platform for managing various aspects of a glamping site remotely, enhancing both sustainability and the guest experience. This technology aims to integrate with existing booking software to automate various processes, such as setting key codes and controlling the thermostat based on booking schedules, promising a future where technology significantly aids operational efficiency. As the conversation wound down, there was a light-hearted discussion about the upcoming Glamping Show, with Richard Cherry humorously suggesting bringing zebras as a unique attraction. Despite the confirmation of absence from some panelists, including Alexander Allred and Richard, for the event, there was a shared hope for future meetings and a continuous evolution of the industry. Throughout the conversation, the panelists shared rich insights drawn from their experiences, painting a picture of an industry at the crossroads of tradition and modernity, grappling with the challenges of sustainability while eager to embrace technological advancements to enhance operational efficiency and guest experience. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the glamping industry, characterized by a constant balancing act between sustainability, luxury, and profitability.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by Zach on August 9th, 2023.
August 9, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 9th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, the transformative journeys within the glamping universe took center stage. Sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, the episode began with a fresh introduction, showcasing the show’s commitment to bringing weekly conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts. Brian Searl expressed his enthusiasm for the new introduction, highlighting the show’s evolution and its dedication to keeping content fresh and engaging for its audience. The distinguished panel for the episode comprised industry experts and enthusiasts. Zach Stoltenberg, from Clockwork; and Connor Schwab, VP at Sage Outdoor Advisory, all shared their insights and experiences. Special attention was given to the unique stories of the episode’s special guests. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping, delved into his inspiring transition from an educator to a glamping site owner. His journey showcased the diverse paths individuals take to enter the world of glamping and the passion that drives them. Vidar Velle, the visionary founder of Nordic Glamping based in the UK, was another highlight of the show. Vidar discussed the intricacies of setting up glamping structures, emphasizing the blend of luxury and nature. He also shared enthralling tales of glamping amidst the wilderness, painting a vivid picture of the experiences guests can expect. Recurring guests, Zach from Clockwork and Connor Schwab from Sage Outdoor Hospitality, also shared updates on their projects and the latest trends in the glamping industry. Their insights provided a comprehensive look into the current state of the industry and its future trajectory. The episode was not just an exploration of glamping but also a testament to the growth and potential of the outdoor hospitality industry. With a mix of expert opinions, personal journeys, and industry insights, MC Fireside Chats continues to be a beacon for those interested in outdoor hospitality. In conclusion the episode offered a deep dive into the world of glamping. From personal journeys to industry trends, the episode provided a holistic view of the glamping universe, making it a must-watch for enthusiasts and professionals alike.
MC Fireside Chats this week we were joined by Az on July 12th.
July 12, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 12th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats presented by Modern Campground and hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion had begun with Sharon and Tony Turner sharing their experience of running the glamping site, Glamping Retro, in Tennessee. They had emphasized the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for their guests, which included providing amenities like a hot tub, a fire pit, and a grill. They had also mentioned that they had a variety of accommodations, including treehouses, airstreams, and bell tents. Adrian and Carol Passos, owners of a glamping site Caracol Glamping in the UK, had shared that they had a variety of accommodations, including shepherd’s huts, bell tents, and a converted horse box. They had also emphasized the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for their guests. Zach Stoltenberg had discussed the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for guests. He had mentioned that as the glamping market was becoming more saturated, it was important for glamping sites to differentiate themselves by providing unique experiences and amenities. The discussion had then turned to the future of the glamping industry. The panelists had agreed that as the industry was becoming more saturated, glamping sites would need to continue to innovate and provide unique experiences to attract guests. They had also discussed the potential for glamping sites to become more upscale and luxurious. The panelists had also discussed the importance of marketing in the glamping industry. They had mentioned that social media was a crucial tool for marketing their sites and attracting guests. They had also discussed the importance of telling the story of their sites and creating a strong brand. The discussion had then turned to the potential for growth in the glamping industry. The panelists had discussed the possibility of expanding their sites and adding more accommodations. They had also discussed the potential for hosting events, such as weddings, at their sites. The panelists had also discussed the challenges of running a glamping site. They had mentioned that they were seasonal businesses, which could present challenges in terms of revenue and operations. They had also discussed the challenges of maintaining their sites and providing a high level of service to their guests. The discussion had concluded with the panelists discussing the future of the glamping industry. They had expressed optimism about the future of the industry and the potential for growth and innovation. They had also expressed their excitement about the potential for glamping to continue to evolve and provide unique and memorable experiences for guests.
June 14, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – June 14th, 2023

During the MC Fireside Chats episode last June 14 presented by Modern Campground, David Smith started the conversation by reintroducing Outside Capital, a financial investment management firm specializing in outdoor hospitality. Their portfolio ranges from glamping and campgrounds to nature-based hotels, and they provide financial backing for deals in the industry, also leading their own projects. Dimphy discusses the inception of her campsite in Romania. She shares how the concept of glamping, relatively new in Romania, has gained popularity, particularly among Bucharest’s city dwellers looking for weekend getaways. She observes that her campsite, strategically located near the capital, is experiencing increasing traction. Annette of Rustic Rook Resort describes their establishment nestled 19 miles from Colorado’s Great Sand Dunes National Park. The resort, which opened in 2020, offers 30 glamping tents, presenting breathtaking views of the dunes and surrounding mountains. Irene Wood highlights the rising interest in the glamping industry as reflected in the increase in relevant articles and publications. She and David Smith concur with Brian’s assertion that the glamping industry usually starts with small operators, gradually attracting more substantial investments. Connor Schwab sees a maturation process unfolding in the RV and campground industry. He envisions a future where the sector becomes more institutionalized and integrates technology to match the hotel industry’s sophistication, particularly regarding dynamic pricing, reservation systems, and marketing. In the panel discussion, Annette delves into the story of Rustic Rook Resort. She and her husband noticed a high demand for campgrounds in Colorado and, utilizing their construction background, constructed their glamping site, opening its doors in 2020. Despite observing significant interest in the camping industry, she warns that it’s not a get-rich-quick scheme due to the immense work and stress involved in managing such a venture. The panelists agree that the future of the glamping industry is promising. Irene Wood remarks that travel patterns changed after Covid-19, and brands who’ve established a lifestyle brand rather than merely providing accommodation stand a better chance at success. She also cautions about an increasing number of brokers looking to offload struggling glamping operations, suggesting potential threats to the industry. The panel also navigates through the economic challenges that businesses face, including rising costs and aggressive competition. They observe some struggling businesses that did not anticipate these challenges in their initial project costs. To stay competitive, these businesses lower their pricing, which could lead to potential washouts. Meanwhile, some businesses like RV parks are thriving and expanding their services, showing resilience in the changing economic climate. The group then discusses Dimphy’s business in Romania. Dimphy finds her business performing well, given the extended operating season. She highlights the role nationality plays in her campsite’s reputation, with positive reviews from German guests leading to an influx of other European visitors. However, she also outlines several challenges, including securing flat spaces for RV parking, establishing a reliable water supply, and dealing with local economic and inflationary issues. The participants then delve into the real estate aspect, led by David. He discusses the complexities of the current real estate market, citing increased interest rates and floating rate loans as major obstacles. He notices that various sectors, including multifamily apartment buildings and the hotel industry, are being affected. Despite the difficulties, David emphasizes the importance of resilience and building successful businesses to withstand regular business cycles and exceptional situations. Annette shares her insights on the trials of running a hospitality business, going beyond the allure of the”dream” phase and into the reality of daily challenges. Irene Wood humorously suggests a support group for owner-operators in hospitality to cope with unpredictable challenges. The group also discusses market saturation in the glamping industry, with Connor expressing concerns about the rapid increase of glamping resorts. Annette suggests engaging with local planning commissions to gather occupancy data from all campgrounds, which could help evaluate if the market can sustain new businesses. The main objective is to foster a sustainable business environment and prevent a saturation leading to widespread failures. They also ponder on various factors influencing market saturation, such as effective marketing and managing customer expectations. Despite acknowledging few nearing saturation markets, they argue it’s not only about saturation but also about the appropriateness of businesses to their markets. They also discuss the concept of opportunity costs in outdoor hospitality businesses, which often do not run full seasons due to factors like zoning regulations. David Smith states that while market saturation is a concern, businesses should not solely rely on it. He underscores the importance of offering a unique and differentiated glamping experience.
Mc rescue chats - this week we were joined by angela miller for the MC Fireside Chats on April 12th, 2023.
May 12, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 12th, 2023

In the April 12th episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Czismadia were joined by glamping experts to discuss the latest trends of the evolving industry. This week’s panel included recurring guest and Founder of the American Glamping Association, Ruben Martinez, as well as special guests the owner of Creekside RNR Glamping, Angele Miller, and the owner of The Destination Glamping Resort, Skip Courtney, who shared their insights and experiences, offering valuable perspectives on the glamping industry. The conversation centered around the challenges and opportunities faced by glamping businesses in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic, shifting guest expectations, and the importance of adaptability. Angele Miller discussed her strategy to enhance guest experiences by partnering with local farms and companies. Miller’s resort offers luxurious dome structures and unique mirror cabins, providing memorable experiences like llama hiking and Nordic Spa retreats. To ensure clear communication with guests, Miller introduced premium amenities such as custom soaps and organic olive oil to align with their expectations. Skip Courtney entered the glamping business after attending a conference in Denver and embracing the safari tent concept. Courtney’s resort features luxurious amenities, and he built a stage for live music to further enhance the guest experience. He noted that the majority of his business comes from within a 150-mile radius, suggesting that utilizing booking channels like VRBO or Airbnb may attract more distant guests. The participants also discussed the importance of adaptability in the glamping market due to the changing environment and increasing competition. Instead of relying solely on high prices, they emphasized the need to focus on building a sustainable brand that offers unique experiences for guests. The conversation also touched upon finding the right pricing strategy, with Courtney sharing his experience of incrementally increasing rates to find the optimal price point for his market. Looking ahead, the panelists predicted an increase in demand for outdoor experiences and glamping as more people seek to disconnect from their daily lives and reconnect with nature. They expect the wellness aspect of glamping to grow, with more people viewing these adventures as opportunities for relaxation and healing. The group anticipates a rise in unique experiences and partnerships between glamping businesses and other sectors of the hospitality industry. The participants underscored the importance of taking a step back to assess and adjust to changing market conditions. They emphasized the impact of small details, such as well-made beds and fresh flowers, on guests’ experiences and word-of-mouth marketing. The episode provided valuable insights into the glamping industry, highlighting the need for adaptability, marketing adjustments, and enhanced guest experiences. As the market continues to evolve, glamping resort owners must innovate and partner with local businesses to provide unique offerings that cater to the ever-changing expectations of their guests.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
March 8, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 8, 2023

Welcome to MC Fireside Chats, a weekly show brought to you by Modern Campground, featuring guests from the outdoor hospitality industry. This episode is sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality. In this week’s glamping episode, we are joined by Ruben Martinez, Founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, and Zach Stoltenberg, Glamping and RV Resort Design Leader, as well as two special guests – Alessandro van de Loo, board member of Vacanze col Coure, and Jim Haughton, general manager of NovaDome. Together, they share their unique perspectives on the challenges faced by glamping operators, the need for innovation and adaptation, and the importance of creating unique customer experiences. From insights into the Italian and Dutch glamping markets to designing and constructing dome-shelter-type glamping accommodations, this episode covers it all. So, sit back, relax, and join us as we dive into the world of glamping on MC Fireside Chats. The experts discussed various aspects of the glamping industry, including innovations and adaptations to different seasons to expand the market, and the push towards all-season glamping accommodations. They also talked about the challenges of catering to different seasons and diversifying offerings to open up new activities and possibilities. Alessandro van de Loo shared his insights on the Italian and Dutch glamping markets. He shared the challenges of operating a family-friendly resort geared towards school holidays and how they utilized focusing on food, beverage, and outdoor wellness during off-seasons to provide a unique customer experience. Jim Haughton highlighted the durability and low maintenance of the fiber-glass shelter dome accommodations by NovaDome, which are designed to withstand all seasons, making them an excellent investment for glamping operators. Ruben Martinez talked about the evolution of the glamping industry over the last decade and the importance of mature conversations and exit strategies. Zach Stoltenberg emphasized the growing importance of authenticity in the guest experience. Overall, the show provided valuable insights into the challenges faced by glamping operators, the need for innovation and adaptation, and the importance of creating unique customer experiences.
Mc rescue chats - this week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 8, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 8, 2023

With the glamping industry’s continued growth, leaders shared their insights on the current state of glamping and the challenges faced in this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats. Glamping has been growing in popularity in recent years and has undergone a significant transformation in the UK. The industry is a diverse and flexible alternative form of accommodation, providing a unique experience for guests and the opportunity for landowners to diversify their land. Kate Morel, Founder & Creative Director of Morel Company, shared her excitement about the future of the UK’s glamping industry. She talked about the need for solid design concepts and the challenge of rising material costs and the value of land. Despite these challenges, Morel is confident that glamping offers a more immersive experience for guests. Ruben Martinez, Founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, talked about the entrepreneur spirit and the challenges of labor and planning. He emphasized the unpredictability of location and how it affects both labor and planning, highlighting the struggle that glamping entrepreneurs face. Whitney Scott, COO of Terramor Outdoor Resort, talked about the startup mentality of the industry and how technology is helping operators provide the next level of the guest experience. Scott believes that defining glamping can stifle creativity and that Terramor is an evolution of the traditional form of glamping. The Terramor experience offers a unique set of accommodations, an intentional and elevated food experience, and excellent customer service. However, she also mentioned the rising cost of construction and the difficulty of building in remote locations, as well as the need for workforce housing. David Smith of Outside Capital shared his insights on investments in the industry and how the tone of real estate capital has changed. He discussed the difficulties in getting deals done and the higher cost of capital compared to a few years ago. Despite these challenges, Smith believes that the industry offers a risk-adjusted return opportunity that traditional hospitality cannot offer and that the industry can benefit from continued interest. He advised glamping entrepreneurs to budget appropriately, build a healthy contingency, and be flexible enough to adapt. Connor Schwab, Vice President of Outdoor Hospitality at Sage Outdoor Advisory, mentioned that while the cost of capital and materials are high, demand and nightly occupancy are also high, and interest in the industry has never been higher. During the CampVantage segment of the show, experts discussed the new AI tool ChatGPT, how it could help bridge the gap in the industry, and emphasized the importance of technology in alleviating some of the challenges faced by the industry. The glamping industry is facing challenges, but with the entrepreneur spirit, the use of technology, and the continued interest from both investors and guests, the future of glamping looks bright.
Mc rescue chats - this week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
January 11, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 11, 2023

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, glamping industry experts discussed some of the operational and logistical aspects and challenges in the glamping space and how to create a unique space that offers a unique experience to guests. Sara Gladstone, the founder and managing director of Glamping Innovations, talked about the UK’s glamping industry, its significant growth over the years, and how glamping businesses in the UK continue to innovate amid the ever growing market. As we dive into this episode, experts discussed the endless possibilities in the industry, seasonality, and how glamping owners can use its weaknesses and strengths. Zach Stoltenberg, a glamping design leader, highlighted that glamping is not so much about the accommodation as much as it is the experience, and how glamping operators continuously look for ways that they can really deliver a positive guest experience. Over the years, the definition of glamping has constantly evolved, and more and more businesses continue to offer unique experiences to guests. For the glamping industry experts, there’s no one-size fits all approach to handling a business, but the versatility of the industry helps them provide a better experience to guests. The glamping industry is continuing to innovate, with new and unique glamping accommodations emerging to meet the demands of consumers looking for luxurious camping experiences. The industry’s growth is expected to continue in the coming years, driven by increased awareness and interest in glamping as a vacation option.
On December 14th, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
December 14, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 14th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Connor Schwab, glamping industry experts discussed how owners could utilize their properties to provide a unique experience to guests. We are joined by Boris Ryabov of Essential Steam; Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association; glamping and RV resort Design Leader Zach Stoltenberg; and John and Nancy Corcoran, the owners of Whispering Springs Wilderness Retreat. As the glamping industry becomes more competitive, Martinez highlighted the importance of having and providing unique, sustainable, and genuine experiences to guests. “It’s not just about amenities; it’s about how you [glamping owners] differentiate yourselves. How do you create a unique experience?” Martinez added. For the Corcorans, one thing they’ve learned from operating a glamping facility is not to be afraid to branch out. Nancy and John utilize Whispering Springs to generate revenue with the help of wedding events. The couple is operating a high-end glamping experience that has seen a tremendous surge in reservations in the first year. They also shared how their business doubled year over year and how they continuously improve and upgrade. Glamping and RV resort design leader Stoltenberg emphasized that glamping is an immersive guest experience and how much involvement and support it takes to provide guests with the best experience. Ryabov of Essential Steam–a communal steam specialist, talked about the guided steam experience that offers communal experience–a combination of guidance and healing that create experiences and creates an environment that helps people experience healing properties. Essential Steam, which provides resorts, retreat centers, and communities with unique and novel outdoor steam spaces, will branch out to glamping and make the outdoor regenerative experience accessible to glampers.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
July 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 15th, 2026

During the July 15, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized the critical need for versatility in outdoor hospitality by exploring long-term tax strategies, the debate between market oversupply and camper affordability, and the strategic value of incorporating tent sites and glamping to drive future growth.
June 17, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 17th, 2026

In the June 17, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed the launch of a new outdoor hospitality data dashboard, the operational benefits of solid-wall yurt cabins, and the need for campgrounds to prepare for upcoming electrical code changes affecting RV pedestals.
May 20, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 20th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl interviews newcomer campground owner Jon Thatcher, exploring how modern operators can revitalize the outdoor hospitality industry by lowering barriers for younger generations, embracing premium glamping experiences, and utilizing innovative technology.
April 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 15th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, Robert Preston, Angele Miller, and Cody Fall discuss the rapid professionalization of the campground industry, ranging from the operational hurdles of managing dozens of properties to the successful integration of high-end wellness amenities. The group emphasizes that while scaling and technology are essential for growth, the core of their success lies in understanding shifting traveler demographics and revitalizing aging infrastructure to preserve the outdoor experience for future generations.
March 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 18th, 2026

In this MC Fireside Chats episode, industry experts discuss how campground operators can navigate economic shifts by focusing on data-driven management and resolving operational bottlenecks like poor customer service. They also debate the delicate balance between adopting new technologies, such as digital check-ins, and maintaining the essential human element of outdoor hospitality.
February 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 18th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and industry experts Mike Harrison, Robert Preston, Sandy Ellingson, and Jeff Hoffman discussed the current economic cycle of the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on market corrections and the importance of professional property management. The episode featured special guest Saurav Ghosal of Sojourn Lodging, who received strategic mentorship on rebranding, navigating seasonal occupancy shifts, and transitioning from an “outdoor hotel” identity to a defined glamping experience.
January 21, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 21st, 2026

Host Brian Searl leads a panel of industry experts and special guests from Daiva RV Resorts and Let’s Camp to discuss the 2026 outlook, debating the contrast between optimistic RV show attendance and the reality of normalizing booking windows and occupancy. The conversation further explores strategies for aligning state and national associations for better advocacy, balancing corporate efficiency with family-centric hospitality, and the increasing necessity of leveraging AI and data analytics in outdoor recreation.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

MC Fireside Chats on February 22, 2023, were joined by Sarah.
February 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 22, 2023

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This week, on January 25 in 2023, we were joined by MC rescue chats for our Fireside Chats.
January 25, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 25, 2023

This week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats has never been more special as hosts Brian Searl and Cara Czismadia announce the newest segment of the show, Campvantage, a five-minute segment that showcases AI technology that can help the RV, camping, and outdoor recreation industries move forward. We were joined by a panel of experts from the RV industry, such as Phil Ingrassia, President at RVDA; Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada; Shane Devenish, Executive Director at CRVA, and Susan Carpenter, RV Women’s Alliance. The experts discussed the latest news in the industry, observations from recent trade shows, advances and innovations, and what lies ahead for the industry this 2023. According to Carpenter, recent RV trade shows reveal that dealers are optimistic. Recently concluded expos and consumer shows were well attended and received, offering a great future for the RV aftermarket industry this year. Ingrassia agreed and said that the industry is looking ahead, and while things are changing, the industry has exciting products looking ahead. Ingrassia observed an emerging trend of interest in overland camping in the recent NTP-Stag expo. He said this only shows how more young campers are looking for more experiences. The experts also discussed the demand for RV technicians and how tech training has become more accessible, with more organizations offering training and certifications. As per Hamm, there is a huge demand for technicians in Canada. The Canadian government also offers scholarships, funding, and incentives for RV technicians. For Carpenter, 2023 is looking good for the industry, and campgrounds will be full.
On July 6th, 2022, we were delighted to be joined by MC Rescue Chats for this week's Fireside Chats.
November 23, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 23rd, 2022

In this week’s Thanksgiving edition of MC Fireside Chats (MCFC), RV experts and enthusiasts discussed the recent events held to help people in the RV industry learn more about growing their respective businesses, and they also looked back to how much the industry has grown this year. In this episode, MCFC Host Brian Searl is joined by RV Dealers Association President Phil Ingrassia and RV Women’s Alliance President Susan Carpenter, as well as special guests, Andy and Peggy Staver, the couple from Our Downsized Life. The discussion started with Phil Ingrassia mentioning how the RV industry, specifically the dealership, are in a good position coming into the new year, with manufacturers adjusting to the new demand with the help of dealers as they get ready to reorder for inventory. He also said that camping and RVing have never been more popular than it is now, with camping bookings and RV rentals remaining strong. “[C]amping is an affordable way to have a vacation… There are a lot of people taking notice of the sector, more private equity money, real estate investments, campgrounds modernizing, and states looking at potential camping areas,” Ingrassia said. Peggy Staver, who stepped down from her corporate career in 2016, mentioned she and her husband became full-time RVers in October of 2017 since Andy was a traveling nurse and found that living in an RV is a suitable way for them to travel for work while bringing their home everywhere they go, which eventually led to the creation of their channel, Our Downsized Life. The couple shared their experience about the time they were traveling during the peak of the lockdowns of the COVID pandemic. Andy Staver said it was incredibly challenging since most campgrounds were closed while those that were open were usually at full capacity, making it difficult for him to find a place for his profession. He said it eventually brought them to Nebraska, where an independent campground accommodated them during the rest of the lockdown. The discussion shifted to the respective events of RVWA and RVDA. Susan Carpenter said the Alliance always wanted to do an education symposium and recognize the people in the RV industry who have made a difference. She also elaborated on the awards that were given to the individuals and groups during the event’s awards ceremony. She said that awards did not focus on any specific segment of the industry, rather it recognized the contributions of the RV people as a whole. The event also held sessions that educated its attendees about the industry and leadership, as well as helped them network and learn from each other. In turn, Phil mentioned the events that took place during the RVDA Convention this year. He said their James B. Summer Award, named after one of their past CEOs, was given to Brian Wilkins of Wilkins RV Inc. who has built his dealership from the ground up and has contributed to the industry. Phil also said that they once again held another Dealers Satisfaction Index, where they surveyed multiple dealerships around the country about the performance of manufacturers and recognized them during the event. When talking about dealers and leaders, Peggy and Andy shared an experience they once had with a dealership that helped them every step of the way to repair a broken appliance in their RV, servicing them as much as possible. “Most RVs need specific products made specifically for RVs, then there are some that accommodate any product, and having a dealer to help people with issues that require [this particular] expertise is an important aspect for dealers… Servicing what they sell. The most successful dealers are full-service [dealerships] with individuals helping their customers,” Phil said. The group then shared what they are grateful for this year and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Susan said that she is looking forward to a smooth-flowing year and getting back to a form of normal after two years of challenges from the pandemic. Phil said he plans to keep moving forward and keep focusing on things that can help the industry grow, as well as start some projects that were postponed due to the pandemic. The Stavers shared that they have always liked meeting people in the campgrounds they stay at, keeping in touch with them even years after. They look forward to meeting and sharing with the people in the community, as well as nurturing their new careers as freelancers helping RV parks grow. Brian Searl also shared that he is keen to learn more about the technology and practices in marketing that can help businesses in the industry grow, showing that it has more potential than people think.
Mc Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by campmepot on July 6th, 2022.
September 28, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – September 28th, 2022

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Campspot Software, we were joined by one of our recurring guests who appear once a month with us to discuss both the RV Industry and Outdoor Recreation: Susan Carpenter of the RV Women’s Alliance. We also had the pleasure of welcoming Steve Guillaume, President of The Shyft Group’s Specialty Vehicles, who talked about the challenges in the RV industry and the company’s journey to Crain’s Detroit “Fast 50” list of rapidly-growing businesses. In addition, we were joined by Scott Knepp of IVEE Management Group and Bobby Cornwell of the Florida RV Park and Campground Association. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show that focuses on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
MC Fire Chats - this week we were joined by Camp Spot for a discussion on July 6th, 2022.
July 27, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – July 27th, 2022

In this week 4 episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Campspot Software, we were joined by our recurring guests who appear with us once a month to engage in discussions on both the RV Industry and Outdoor Recreation: Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada Shane Devenish, Executive Director at CRVA Kurt Repanshek, National Parks Traveler Susan Carpenter, RV Women’s Alliance Additionally, we were joined by Rich Schnippel, the founder and president of Encore RV. Rich shared his insights into the future of the adventure trailer segment of the RV industry. MC Fireside Chats is a show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, hosted by Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
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June 22, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – June 22nd, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Campspot Software, we were joined by our recurring guests who appear once a month with us to have a candid discussion on both the RV Industry and Outdoor Recreation: Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada Shane Devenish, Executive Director at CRVA Susan Carpenter, RV Women’s Alliance Plus, we were joined by Lance King and Bill French the creators of Cyberlandr a “disappearing” RV concept for the Tesla CyberTruck. They will share their insights on the RV Industry from a tech and green innovation standpoint. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
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May 25, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – May 25th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Campspot Software, we were joined by our recurring guests who will appear once a month with us to have a candid discussion on both the RV Industry and Outdoor Recreation: Phil Ingrassia, President at RVDA Shane Devenish, Executive Director at CRVA Kurt Repanshek, National Parks Traveler Plus, we were joined by two content creators, Julie & Mark Bennett of RVLove who recently concluded their 8,500-mile winter RVing trip, and Ben Lawles from Intentional Adventure part of an RVing family of four. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
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January 26, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – January 26th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, we were joined by Patrice McCabe from RV There Yet?, a brand new TV series on the Discovery Channel. We were also joined by Sam Shanley from Stay Off Map who will talk to us about his experiences operating a glamping startup. Plus, some brand new recurring guests who appear once a month with us to have a candid discussion on both the RV Industry and Outdoor Recreation: – Phil Ingrassia, President at RVDA – Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada – Shane Devenish, Executive Director at CRVA
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October 27, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – October 27, 2021

In this special Halloween episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia were joined by a host of special guests, bringing together diverse perspectives from the world of camping and RV parks. Recurring guest Darryle Busa from Modern Campground, was also in attendance. Special guests in attendance were: – Sharon Beaumont and Andrew Pysczynski of Normandy Farms – Sarah Krause of Rivers Edge Campground – Fred Stott of Santa Cruz/Monterey Bay KOA Holiday – Marcie Purviance of North Texas Jellystone Park

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.