Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

October 7, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – October 7th, 2026

During the October 7, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that to attract an evolving, experiential demographic, campground operators must hyper-focus on specific niches, adapt to the rise of smaller, rugged RVs, and forge strong cross-sector collaborations.
September 2, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 2nd, 2026

During the September 2, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts explored the rapid evolution of AI-integrated property management systems and evolving consumer behaviors, emphasizing a market shift toward simpler recreational vehicles and the importance of targeting guests by specific life stages rather than broad generational labels.
August 5, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 5th, 2026

In the August 5th episode of MC Fireside Chats, a diverse panel of outdoor hospitality leaders discussed how current economic headwinds are driving a shift from transient RV travel to long-term stays and unique glamping experiences, emphasizing that operators must leverage creative marketing and exceptional, personalized hospitality to thrive in a rapidly changing market.
July 1, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 1st, 2026

In the July 1, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed how macroeconomic factors and shifting generational preferences are pushing the outdoor hospitality sector to prioritize transparent marketing, proactive AI reputation management, and the creation of highly customized, premium “boutique” RV sites.
June 3, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 3rd, 2026

In the June 3, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats, our panel of industry experts contrasted the current slowdown in traditional RV sales with the rapid, institutional growth of the glamping sector. The discussion also highlighted how American developers can learn from cost-effective European campsite models and stressed the urgent need to prepare campground electrical grids for the incoming wave of all-electric RVs.
May 6, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 6th, 2026

In this episode, guest host Scott Bahr and a panel of industry leaders discussed how rising fuel costs and economic pressures are causing campers to favor shorter, more localized trips and “onboarding” through more accessible accommodations. The group emphasized that the industry’s long-term success depends on a shared responsibility to simplify the guest experience and provide flexible, affordable vacation options for a new generation of casual participants.
April 1, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 1st, 2026

The April 1st, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry experts Phil Ingrassia, Scott Bahr, and Simon Neal discussing how steady consumer sentiment and the therapeutic nature of the outdoors are sustaining the industry despite rising gas prices and geopolitical tensions. The panel explored the resilience of RVers and the potential for American campgrounds to adopt European-style “all-inclusive” resort models to attract a more diverse range of guests.
March 4, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 4th, 2026

Industry experts on MC Fireside Chats analyzed 2026 data trends, highlighting a shift toward shorter booking windows and the untapped potential of dynamic pricing to stabilize revenue despite “mild” transient growth. The panel emphasized that maintaining operational excellence and clear digital communication is essential for navigating current economic fluctuations and ensuring long-term resilience in the outdoor hospitality sector
February 4, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 4th, 2026

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats aired on February 4th, 2026, host Brian Searl and a panel of experts analyzed the shifting landscape of outdoor hospitality, noting a positive uptick in early-season booking pace and a stronger consumer sentiment compared to previous years. The discussion centered on a comprehensive new report regarding Gen Z, identifying them as a risk-averse, “experience-chasing” demographic that requires highly authentic digital storytelling and multi-channel marketing to engage effectively.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
July 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 8th, 2026

In the July 8, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts explored strategies for thriving in the evolving outdoor hospitality market, emphasizing the success of targeting underserved niches, the practical necessity of grid-tied infrastructure over off-grid setups, and the profitability of pivoting to high-value, curated group retreats.
June 10, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 10th, 2026

The June 10th, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats highlights how outdoor hospitality operators can actively drive occupancy by leveraging targeted social media content, hyper-specific buyer personas, and AI-discoverable local features. The panel also addresses tightening macroeconomic trends, concluding that operators must double down on proactive marketing to capture travelers shifting from costly flights to road trips.
May 13, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 13th, 2026

Hosted by Brian Searl, this episode of MC Fireside Chats featured Jeremy Johnson and Zach Stoltenberg discussing the complexities of dynamic pricing and the industry’s shift toward non-RV accommodations. Meanwhile, special guests Travis Chambers and Joy de Vos highlighted the growing demand for experiential travel by sharing their unique, immersive projects—ranging from cinematic, off-grid micro-resorts to educational, working dairy farms.
April 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 8th, 2026

The April 8th, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry leaders discussing the critical balance between implementing highly intuitive automated tech and preserving the authentic outdoor experience. The panel highlighted actionable strategies for maximizing revenue and tax benefits through premium cabin investments, while navigating upcoming challenges in Class A fire regulations, site-specific architectural design, and ADA accessibility.
March 11, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 11th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led an industry-focused discussion with experts Jayne Cohen, Casey Cochran, Jeremy Johnson, Shawn Verbrugghe, and Serg Mashkov to explore how economic shifts, luxury accommodation trends, and unique experiential programming are redefining the future of outdoor hospitality.
February 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 12th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, Joe Duemig hosts John McMahon of Camp Door County, who shares how his new resort uses “intentional” guest experiences like mushroom foraging, stargazing, and mountain bike trails to build a unique brand identity. The panel, including Casey Cochran and Zach Stoltenberg, discusses how these curated activities and strategic local partnerships drive transient demand and guest loyalty without relying solely on traditional amenities or aggressive price discounting.
January 14, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 14th, 2026

The first Guest Experience episode of MC Fireside Chats in 2026 brought together U.S. and UK industry leaders to examine land use economics, guest segmentation, and how differing markets approach revenue, design, and experience. The panel agreed that future growth depends less on uniform luxury builds and more on aligning amenities, add-on revenue, and immersive, nature-driven experiences with clearly defined guest expectations, supported by smarter use of data.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

September 16, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 16th, 2026

During the September 19, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, insurance and outdoor hospitality experts emphasized that combating rising premiums and frivolous lawsuits requires operators to strictly enforce liability waivers, maintain pristine safety records, and secure specialized policies to protect their long-term profitability.
August 19, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 19th, 2026

During this episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that to survive rising interest rates and a post-COVID refinancing squeeze, campground owners must move away from generic operations and rigorously target a specific ideal customer profile to maintain profitability and secure strong property valuations.
July 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 15th, 2026

During the July 15, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized the critical need for versatility in outdoor hospitality by exploring long-term tax strategies, the debate between market oversupply and camper affordability, and the strategic value of incorporating tent sites and glamping to drive future growth.
June 17, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 17th, 2026

In the June 17, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed the launch of a new outdoor hospitality data dashboard, the operational benefits of solid-wall yurt cabins, and the need for campgrounds to prepare for upcoming electrical code changes affecting RV pedestals.
May 20, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 20th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl interviews newcomer campground owner Jon Thatcher, exploring how modern operators can revitalize the outdoor hospitality industry by lowering barriers for younger generations, embracing premium glamping experiences, and utilizing innovative technology.
April 15, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 15th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, Robert Preston, Angele Miller, and Cody Fall discuss the rapid professionalization of the campground industry, ranging from the operational hurdles of managing dozens of properties to the successful integration of high-end wellness amenities. The group emphasizes that while scaling and technology are essential for growth, the core of their success lies in understanding shifting traveler demographics and revitalizing aging infrastructure to preserve the outdoor experience for future generations.
March 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 18th, 2026

In this MC Fireside Chats episode, industry experts discuss how campground operators can navigate economic shifts by focusing on data-driven management and resolving operational bottlenecks like poor customer service. They also debate the delicate balance between adopting new technologies, such as digital check-ins, and maintaining the essential human element of outdoor hospitality.
February 18, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 18th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and industry experts Mike Harrison, Robert Preston, Sandy Ellingson, and Jeff Hoffman discussed the current economic cycle of the outdoor hospitality industry, focusing on market corrections and the importance of professional property management. The episode featured special guest Saurav Ghosal of Sojourn Lodging, who received strategic mentorship on rebranding, navigating seasonal occupancy shifts, and transitioning from an “outdoor hotel” identity to a defined glamping experience.
January 21, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 21st, 2026

Host Brian Searl leads a panel of industry experts and special guests from Daiva RV Resorts and Let’s Camp to discuss the 2026 outlook, debating the contrast between optimistic RV show attendance and the reality of normalizing booking windows and occupancy. The conversation further explores strategies for aligning state and national associations for better advocacy, balancing corporate efficiency with family-centric hospitality, and the increasing necessity of leveraging AI and data analytics in outdoor recreation.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 28, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 28th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic and insightful discussion unfolded, featuring a panel of distinguished guests from the RV industry. The episode brought together Susan Carpenter, Erin Ruane, Cathy Chamberlain, and Chris Shashaty, each offering unique perspectives on the current state and future directions of the RV and outdoor hospitality sectors. Brian Searl, the host, set the stage for a conversation that promised to delve into the intricacies of the RV market, touching on trends, challenges, and innovations. His introduction highlighted the diverse expertise of the panelists, setting the tone for a comprehensive exploration of the industry. Erin Ruane, representing RV Trader, shared her insights into the platform’s evolution from print to digital, emphasizing its role in connecting buyers and sellers in the RV market. She detailed the site’s features, including its vast inventory of over 200,000 units, and the tools available to consumers and dealers alike, such as insurance quotes and financing options. Erin’s discussion underscored the digital transformation’s impact on the RV trading landscape. Susan Carpenter brought a unique perspective to the table, discussing the RV Women’s Alliance’s role and initiatives aimed at supporting women in the industry. Her contributions highlighted the importance of inclusivity and community within the RV sector, reflecting on the alliance’s efforts to celebrate and empower women across the industry. Cathy Chamberlain shared the story behind Barefoot Caravans, a UK-based company known for its distinctive, high-quality caravans. Cathy’s journey from a wet weekend camping to designing and manufacturing stylish, compact caravans illustrated the innovation and creativity driving the industry forward. She also touched on the challenges and opportunities of expanding into the U.S. market, emphasizing the importance of adaptability and customer focus. Chris Shashaty, the founder of Sequoia + Salt Campervans discussed the rise of custom van conversions and the growing demand for personalized, versatile RV solutions. His insights into the challenges of scaling a small business in a competitive market underscored the entrepreneurial spirit that fuels much of the industry’s innovation. The conversation then shifted to the impact of RV rental companies on the market, with Erin Ruane addressing the complementary relationship between rentals and sales. She suggested that the presence of rental companies broadens the market, offering consumers various ways to engage with the RV lifestyle. Economic uncertainty and its potential effects on consumer behavior were also discussed, with panelists speculating on how shifts in the economy might influence buying patterns. Erin shared optimistic views based on search trends and consumer surveys, suggesting sustained interest in RVing despite financial headwinds. The role of AI and search technologies in shaping consumer behavior and industry practices was a focal point of discussion. Erin highlighted RV Trader’s efforts to leverage AI for better search outcomes and personalized experiences, pointing to the future of digital engagement in the RV market. Market trends, particularly the shift towards smaller, more manageable RVs, were explored, with Cathy Chamberlain and Chris Shashaty noting the influence of consumer preferences and the advent of electric vehicles on product design and demand. Challenges faced by small businesses in gaining visibility on platforms like RV Trader were candidly addressed by Chris Shashaty. Erin Ruane expressed a commitment to understanding and addressing these concerns, emphasizing the importance of supporting businesses of all sizes. The panelists also touched on the broader implications of market trends for manufacturers and dealers, discussing how insights from platforms like RV Trader can inform business strategies and product development. The episode concluded with reflections on the importance of staying informed, adaptable, and collaborative in navigating the evolving RV and outdoor hospitality landscape. Brian Searl and his guests underscored the dynamic nature of the industry and the collective effort required to meet the changing needs and expectations of consumers.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
January 24, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 24th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, the focus was on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. The episode featured a panel of industry experts: Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, Phil Ingrassia from the RV Dealers Association (RVDA) of the U.S., and Luke Chippindale, who joined from Australia. Brian set the stage for a discussion about the year ahead in the RV industry, noting the significance of this being the first episode of the year. Brian Searl opened the episode with enthusiasm, highlighting the show’s focus on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. He expressed excitement about the episode being the first of the year, setting expectations for a conversation about the industry’s outlook. The guests for the episode included Susan Carpenter, Phil Ingrassia, and Luke Chippindale, with Brian noting the absence of regular participants Eleanor and Shane. Luke Chippindale, participating from Australia, discussed his role in government relations for the caravan industry. He focused on working with federal politicians in Canberra to elevate the industry’s voice. Luke talked about the successes in advocating for industry standards and safety, as well as the challenges posed by the shift towards electric vehicles and low-emission policies. Phil Ingrassia provided an overview of the current RV market in the U.S., discussing trends in wholesale shipments and retail forecasts for 2024. He touched on the impact of interest rates on discretionary purchases and the efforts of manufacturers to moderate price increases. Phil’s insights offered a comprehensive look at the market dynamics in the U.S. RV industry. Susan Carpenter shared her experience with the RV Women’s Alliance, highlighting its global reach and impact. She discussed the organization’s growth and its role in fostering international collaboration within the RV industry. Susan’s perspective added a global dimension to the conversation, emphasizing the worldwide nature of the RV community. The conversation then shifted to the impact of COVID-19 on domestic travel. Susan Carpenter brought up how the pandemic had changed travel preferences, with more people exploring their own countries. Luke Chippindale agreed, mentioning research on the wellbeing benefits of caravanning and camping, and the unique connectedness it brings compared to international travel. Susan recounted her experience at the Florida RV show, noting the trend of consumers trading in older models and the popularity of lower-priced RVs. Phil added that RV shows remain crucial for consumers to physically experience different RV models and layouts, despite the rise of online shopping. The business aspects of RV sales were also discussed. Phil explained the varying profit margins on different sizes of RVs, and Luke provided insights into the Australian market’s preference for larger towable RVs. This part of the conversation highlighted the differences and similarities in RV markets across different regions. Brian raised questions about the evolving role of RV shows in the age of internet research. Susan and Phil agreed that while online research is helpful, RV shows offer a unique opportunity for consumers to explore a wide range of options in one place. They emphasized the continued importance of these shows in the RV buying process. The discussion pivoted back to government relations, with Luke discussing the challenges of prioritizing various industry needs and the future of electric vehicles (EVs) in the caravan industry. Phil shared similar concerns for the U.S. market, emphasizing the need for infrastructure to support EVs and the debate over government involvement in this transition. The episode concluded with final thoughts from the guests. Luke invited people to experience the Australian caravan industry, emphasizing its maturity, value, and customer experience. Phil and Susan shared their perspectives, and Brian wrapped up the show, highlighting the importance of global insights in the RV and caravan industry. The episode provided a comprehensive look at the RV and caravan industry from different global perspectives, discussing consumer trends, the impact of technology, and the role of government and associations in shaping the industry’s future.
MC Fireside Chats - November 22nd, 2023.
November 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 22nd, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks, a discussion unfolds about the RV industry with notable guests including Phil Ingrassia (President of RVDA), Eleanore Hamm (President of RVDA of Canada), Shane Devenish (Executive Director at CRVA), and special guest Mike Wendland from RV Lifestyle. Mike Wendland, with his extensive experience in the RV lifestyle, shares his journey from starting a blog to expanding into a comprehensive multi-platform presence. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to changes in audience behavior and platform algorithms, highlighting the need for content diversification. Wendland’s perspective is particularly valuable, given his direct engagement with a broad RV audience through various digital channels. The conversation then shifts to the broader challenges facing the RV industry. One significant issue discussed is the quality of RVs, particularly those manufactured during the COVID-19 pandemic years (2020 and 2021). Wendland notes an improvement in quality post-2021 but maintains that quality remains a concern. This point underscores the industry’s need to maintain high standards to ensure consumer satisfaction and industry growth. Another critical topic is the state of campgrounds, both private and public. The panel agrees that the quality of campgrounds plays a crucial role in the overall RV experience. Brian Searl acknowledges the existence of both good and bad campgrounds, indicating that the impression they leave on RVers can significantly impact the industry’s perception. The discussion also delves into the challenges of RV servicing and the supply of parts. Eleanore Hamm from RVDA of Canada addresses the difficulty dealers face in finding enough qualified technicians. This shortage, coupled with supply chain issues, has led to extended repair times, affecting the overall RV experience. Phil Ingrassia adds that the industry is focusing on reducing repair event cycle times, a critical factor for customer satisfaction. Mike Wendland brings up the seasonal nature of the RV business, particularly in regions north of the Mason-Dixon line. He notes the challenges dealers face in maintaining staff for peak seasons and suggests that more publicity about employment opportunities as RV technicians could help alleviate some of these issues. He also mentions innovative training programs, including those reaching out to prisons, as a way to address the technician shortage. A significant part of the discussion revolves around attracting new demographics to the RV lifestyle. The panel recognizes the importance of engaging younger generations and urban dwellers, who might not traditionally consider RV activities. Wendland and others emphasize the need for early exposure to outdoor activities and the industry’s efforts to make RVing more accessible and appealing. Shane Devenish highlights the importance of addressing current problems while also creating a pipeline for future RV buyers. This dual focus is essential for the long-term success of the industry, balancing immediate needs with strategic future planning. Mike Wendland also touches on the impact of remote work on the RV industry. He notes the improvement in campground internet access, which has facilitated remote work from RVs. Wendland suggests that advocating for remote work can help sustain and grow the RV industry, as it allows more people to integrate RVing into their lifestyles. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterates the value of diverse perspectives in understanding and addressing the challenges facing the RV industry. He acknowledges his own strong opinions but emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and considering different viewpoints. The conversation concludes with acknowledgments of the insights shared and the importance of these discussions for the future of the RV industry. The participants express gratitude for the perspectives offered, highlighting the collaborative nature of addressing the industry’s challenges and opportunities. Overall, the MC Fireside Chat provides a comprehensive overview of the current state of the RV industry, covering a range of topics from quality control and service challenges to demographic engagement and the impact of remote work. The insights from industry leaders and experts like Mike Wendland offer valuable perspectives on both the challenges and opportunities facing the RV world today.
MC Fire chats - this week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
October 25, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 25th, 2023

In the latest installment of MC Fireside Chats, the spotlight was on the dynamic RV industry, with a distinguished panel of experts delving into their wealth of knowledge and experiences. The session was expertly steered by host Brian Searl, who facilitated engaging conversations with the esteemed guests. Regular contributors Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance graced the episode with their presence and invaluable insights. Adding to the richness of the discussion were special guests Craig and Victoria Shelton, the adventurous spirits behind Wild RV Life, who brought a unique perspective to the table. Rounding out the panel were Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV, who shared their expertise and innovative approaches in the RV realm. Together, this ensemble of industry leaders and enthusiasts created a vibrant and informative dialogue, shedding light on various facets of the RV world and providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape and future possibilities in the RV industry. Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV discussed their company’s approach to social media and influencer marketing, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and organic growth. They highlighted how they leverage real customer experiences through their Facebook group and other platforms, creating a strong community around their brand. Their strategy involves a careful evaluation of potential influencers and brand ambassadors, ensuring alignment with their brand values. Alliance RV also emphasized the significance of customer feedback in their product development process. They strive to create products that truly meet the needs of their customers, incorporating their input and suggestions into their designs. This customer-centric approach has been a key factor in their success and has helped them build a loyal customer base. Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance shed light on the organization’s efforts to support and elevate women within the RV industry. She discussed their recent Symposium, which focused on personal and professional development for women, and highlighted the importance of creating a supportive community for women in the industry. Craig and Victoria from Wild RV Life shared insights on how demographics influence their content strategy across different social media platforms. They noted variations in audience engagement between YouTube and Instagram, tailoring their content to suit the preferences of their audience on each platform. Their approach underscores the importance of understanding your audience and adapting your content to meet their needs. Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA discussed the challenges facing the RV industry, particularly in terms of customer service and repair times. They emphasized the need for improved communication and efficiency across the industry, highlighting ongoing efforts to address these issues. The panel also touched on the importance of community and networking within the RV industry. They shared examples of events and associations that foster connections and support, underscoring the value of building a strong network in the industry. Looking ahead, the guests shared their thoughts on the future of the RV industry. They expressed optimism about the industry’s potential for growth and improvement, highlighting areas such as customer service, product development, and community building as key focus areas. Throughout the episode, the panelists shared valuable insights and experiences, providing a comprehensive look at various aspects of the RV industry. From manufacturing and product development to social media marketing, community building, and supporting women in the industry, the discussion covered a wide range of topics, offering a rich and nuanced perspective on the industry. The episode underscored the importance of authenticity, customer feedback, and community in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted how these elements contribute to building strong brands, creating loyal customer bases, and fostering a supportive industry ecosystem. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided a deep dive into the RV industry, offering valuable insights and practical advice for industry professionals and enthusiasts alike. The discussion highlighted the importance of authenticity, customer-centricity, and community in driving success and fostering growth in the RV industry.
September 27, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 27th, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl delves into the intricacies of the RV industry and outdoor recreation. As some regular guests attend an event in Elkhart, Indiana, Brian is accompanied by Eleonore Hamm, a recurring guest, and special attendees Patrick Botticelli and Mark Harling. Eleonore underscores the significance of the Elkhart event, where manufacturers present their 2024 models. She anticipates the introduction of innovative products from emerging manufacturers and also brings attention to an upcoming convention in Vegas. Patrick introduces his YouTube channel, “New Jersey Outdoor Adventure.” Initially focusing on mountain biking and New Jersey’s history, the channel shifted to RV tours, especially personal RV setups. Now, it primarily highlights van builds and local builders. Mark discusses the inception of Bean Trailer in 2017, identifying a market gap for off-road teardrop trailers. Their popular model, the Black Bean, is designed for off-roading, emphasizing features like air suspension and custom trailing arms. Mark stresses the importance of ergonomics in trailer design, aiming for durability and comfort. The Hershey show in Pennsylvania becomes a focal point, where manufacturers unveil new floor plans and decors. Patrick notes the show’s success, with a slight dip in attendance initially but a quick recovery. He emphasizes the launch of several new models and the immediate availability of RVs for customers due to full dealer inventory. Eleonore Hamm, representing the dealer’s viewpoint, suggests that dealers can use various tools and reports to analyze market trends and adjust their inventory accordingly. She also mentions the increasing focus on sustainability and electrification in the RV industry due to consumer demand and government regulations. Mark touches upon the future direction of Bean Trailer. He observes that their most luxurious trailers are selling best and plans to expand in that direction. He challenges the perception that luxury can’t be compact, seeing potential in both high-end and value-oriented trailers. Patrick emphasizes the need for a range of products to cater to diverse customer needs. He underscores the importance of brand loyalty and the necessity for manufacturers to have a unique selling proposition in a saturated market. The panelists discuss the shift towards luxury camping experiences and off-grid adventures. They observe a squeeze in the middle market, emphasizing the need for manufacturers to adapt to changing consumer preferences. Mark highlights the challenges faced by custom off-road trailer manufacturers compared to standard RVs. He believes in the advantages of being factory direct, a sentiment Patrick echoes, citing successful examples from the industry. The episode delves deep into the RV industry’s standards. Mark expresses reservations about the RVIA standard, viewing it as a minimal benchmark. However, Patrick and Eleonore defend the standard, emphasizing its role in ensuring consumer safety and peace of mind. The episode wraps up with a nod to the future, mentioning the next episode to be broadcasted live from the glamping show in Denver, Colorado. The panelists agree on the evolving nature of the RV and camping industry, emphasizing the need for businesses to innovate and adapt.
This week's episode of MC Fireside Chats.
August 23, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 23rd, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brought together a panel of experts from the RV industry to discuss various trends and insights. The panel included recurring guests Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA Special guests Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator, and Jeremy Greene from RVIA also joined the episode. Shane Devenish from CRVA highlighted the importance of understanding the consumer’s perspective. He emphasized that while the industry has its terminologies, it’s crucial to align with the language consumers use, especially when they’re searching online. Phil Ingrassia from RVDA touched upon the changing dynamics of the RV market. He discussed how the industry’s terminology might not always resonate with the consumers, especially those new to RVing. The key is to bridge the gap between industry jargon and consumer language. Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator brought a unique perspective to the table. He discussed his business model, which offers a different niche in the RV market. Deryle emphasized the importance of understanding customer needs and adapting accordingly. Jeremy Greene from RVIA emphasized the importance of understanding and adapting to the terminology that consumers use when searching for RVs online. He pointed out that while the industry has specific terms, consumers might use different or colloquial terms. Jeremy highlighted a specific example: while the industry might refer to certain vehicles as “type B motorhomes,” consumers might search for “van campers.” This trend underscores the importance of aligning industry language with consumer search habits. Another significant trend Jeremy touched upon is the increasing number of people looking to work from the road. This shift in work culture has implications for the RV industry, especially in terms of the amenities and facilities they offer. Delving deeper into this trend, Jeremy shared that a recent survey showed that 19% of respondents have worked from an RV in the last 24 months. Furthermore, almost 30% are considering doing it in the next year. This trend towards remote work from RVs indicates a need for these vehicles to be better equipped for work. This includes having dedicated office spaces and the necessary amenities to facilitate remote work, ensuring a seamless work experience for users. Throughout the discussion, the importance of data in understanding consumer behavior and trends was evident. Jeremy’s insights, backed by surveys and research, provided a clearer picture of where the industry is headed. The panel discussion underscored the need for the RV industry to be agile and responsive to changing consumer behaviors. Whether it’s adapting to new terminologies or equipping RVs for remote work, staying ahead of trends is crucial. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided valuable insights into the RV industry’s future, with each speaker bringing their unique perspective. As the industry continues to evolve, such discussions become essential in navigating the road ahead.
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July 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 26th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by AccessParks, host Brian Searle was joined by recurring guests Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Eleanore Hamm from RVIA. Adding a unique perspective to the conversation were special guests Dr. Steve and Alec Rappleyea from Drive Home RV. Alec, shared insights about the challenges they face while scaling their RV rental business. He emphasized the importance of effectively managing cash flow and working capital, which are critical aspects of any growing business. Alec also highlighted the necessity of creating robust systems that not only streamline operations but also embody their business values. He stressed the importance of having the right people in place to ensure the smooth running of their operations. Steve, another guest on the show, discussed the unique dynamics of running a family business. He highlighted the importance of navigating business decisions within pre-existing relationships. Steve described their RV rental company, Drive Home RV, as an “RV Adventure Outfitter”. They provide people with their first access to RV camping, occupying a special place in the ecosystem. Steve emphasized their commitment to ensuring that customers have positive experiences when they rent an RV from them for the first time. He also mentioned how they help customers navigate the transition from tent camping to RV camping, and how they provide additional equipment like electric bikes, stand-up paddle boards, and pavilion tents to enhance the camping experience. Steve also shared their plans for expansion, aiming to double or triple their fleet in the coming years. Phil, proposed an interesting marketing strategy. He suggested that rental companies could offer discounts to renters who act as influencers, documenting and sharing their experiences on social media. This strategy, he believes, could significantly boost the visibility and appeal of RV rentals. Phil also touched upon the international focus of some rental companies, suggesting that there’s potential for more influencer marketing in the domestic market. Shane brought up the potential for RV rentals to bridge the gap during economic downturns. He proposed that RV rentals could provide a more affordable option for people to enjoy the RV lifestyle until they’re financially ready to purchase their own RV. Shane also mentioned the increased availability of rental units in recent years and speculated on the potential impact this could have on the market. Eleanor discussed the shift in the types of units being stocked for rental. She noted a move away from Class C units towards a wider variety of units, particularly those suitable for family use. This shift, she believes, could cater to a broader range of customer needs and preferences. Towards the end of the discussion, Alec considered the advice from industry professionals and discussed the shift in design and materials in the RV industry, moving towards more European sensibilities. This shift, he believes, could refresh the industry and appeal to a wider audience. Phil also discussed the potential for learning from the European RV market, particularly in terms of design and size of units. He mentioned the upcoming Dusseldorf show, a large European RV show that attracts a global audience, as a valuable opportunity for gaining insights into the European market. Shane discussed the potential for international collaboration and learning between RV associations and businesses. He believes that such collaborations could lead to innovative practices and strategies that benefit the industry as a whole. The episode concluded with Brian expressing his gratitude to the guests for their valuable insights. He wished them luck with their future endeavors, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in the ever-evolving RV rental industry. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the RV rental industry and the exciting possibilities that lie ahead.
Mc rescue chats this week we were joined by April 26, MC Fireside Chats.
April 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 26, 2023

April 26 Episode Recap In the April 26 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl and recurring guest guest Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance discussed the capabilities and potential of ChatGPT, an AI language model trained by OpenAI. Brian introduced the concept of ChatGPT and how it works through a prompt, demonstrating how it can quickly generate articles on a wide range of topics. Susan picked camping as a prompt, and the results were impressive given the short input. Brian and Susan went on to discuss the various applications of ChatGPT, emphasizing that it can be used for a wide range of things such as outdoor hospitality and recreation business strategies, as well as in law firms. They highlighted how ChatGPT can help users save time and streamline their processes Susan described ChatGPT as a revolutionary tool, but one that still needs fact-checking. Brian agreed, reminding users to be responsible and fact-check the information provided. They also discussed how people who use ChatGPT can move faster than anyone else and how it could potentially help lessen the need for mobile applications, such as apps for online shopping and booking, by directly sending personalized requests. Moreover, Susan reflected on how far humans have come, with kids nowadays having constant companions to help them with everyday living and to be more critical by focusing on effectively implementing ideas. They discussed the potential for ChatGPT to make institutions such as hospitals and government agencies more efficient in their processes. Brian and Susan also touched on the topic of AI-powered search engines, particularly the new Bing search engine. They discussed the benefits of AI-powered tools such as ChatGPT and how they can help users in various industries. They reflected on the potential for AI-powered search engines to improve efficiency in research and information gathering. The conversation also touched on the limitations of ChatGPT and other AI language models, particularly in the area of fact-checking. While ChatGPT can generate a large amount of content quickly, users must still fact-check the information provided. Susan reminded listeners that the responsibility of fact-checking ultimately falls on the user, even when using advanced AI tools. Brian and Susan wrapped up the conversation by agreeing that it is crucial for people to acknowledge that AI is here and that we must learn how to properly utilize it.
On March 22nd, during the MC Fireside Chats, we had the pleasure of being joined by Elizabeth.
March 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 22nd, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia are joined by industry experts Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada, Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, and special guests Bob Zagami and John DiPietro from NERVDA to discuss the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, with a focus on the RV industry. The conversation began with Zagami and DiPietro sharing their experiences in RVing in New England and discussing their Camper Report Show, an industry resource that covers news from the corporate side to campers. DiPietro mentioned that enthusiasm at RV shows is high, and there is a noticeable diversity in demographics among attendees. Zagami shared that dealers are reporting strong sales despite fewer people attending the shows, indicating that those who do come are making purchases. Susan Carpenter echoed the sentiment, pointing out the increasing diversity among people from different walks of life and backgrounds at the shows and campgrounds. The experts also discussed the importance of inclusivity in the industry. The panelists emphasized the unique and magical quality of the camping community, highlighting that there are no barriers in a campground, and everyone is equal in the great outdoors. The social aspect of camping and the sense of community that it fosters are also key elements in its appeal. In terms of innovation, the discussion turned to why campgrounds aren’t starting RV service centers and the relationship between dealers and campground owners. As the market evolves and demographics change, the experts consider the question of how campground owners can differentiate themselves to stay competitive. The discussion provided valuable insights into the current state and future trends of the RV industry and the Outdoor Hospitality Industry. The focus on diversity, inclusivity, and community, along with the need for innovation and differentiation, will likely shape the industry’s direction in the years to come.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.