Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

October 7, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – October 7th, 2026

During the October 7, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that to attract an evolving, experiential demographic, campground operators must hyper-focus on specific niches, adapt to the rise of smaller, rugged RVs, and forge strong cross-sector collaborations.
September 2, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 2nd, 2026

During the September 2, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts explored the rapid evolution of AI-integrated property management systems and evolving consumer behaviors, emphasizing a market shift toward simpler recreational vehicles and the importance of targeting guests by specific life stages rather than broad generational labels.
August 5, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 5th, 2026

In the August 5th episode of MC Fireside Chats, a diverse panel of outdoor hospitality leaders discussed how current economic headwinds are driving a shift from transient RV travel to long-term stays and unique glamping experiences, emphasizing that operators must leverage creative marketing and exceptional, personalized hospitality to thrive in a rapidly changing market.
July 1, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 1st, 2026

In the July 1, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts discussed how macroeconomic factors and shifting generational preferences are pushing the outdoor hospitality sector to prioritize transparent marketing, proactive AI reputation management, and the creation of highly customized, premium “boutique” RV sites.
June 3, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 3rd, 2026

In the June 3, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats, our panel of industry experts contrasted the current slowdown in traditional RV sales with the rapid, institutional growth of the glamping sector. The discussion also highlighted how American developers can learn from cost-effective European campsite models and stressed the urgent need to prepare campground electrical grids for the incoming wave of all-electric RVs.
May 6, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 6th, 2026

In this episode, guest host Scott Bahr and a panel of industry leaders discussed how rising fuel costs and economic pressures are causing campers to favor shorter, more localized trips and “onboarding” through more accessible accommodations. The group emphasized that the industry’s long-term success depends on a shared responsibility to simplify the guest experience and provide flexible, affordable vacation options for a new generation of casual participants.
April 1, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 1st, 2026

The April 1st, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry experts Phil Ingrassia, Scott Bahr, and Simon Neal discussing how steady consumer sentiment and the therapeutic nature of the outdoors are sustaining the industry despite rising gas prices and geopolitical tensions. The panel explored the resilience of RVers and the potential for American campgrounds to adopt European-style “all-inclusive” resort models to attract a more diverse range of guests.
March 4, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 4th, 2026

Industry experts on MC Fireside Chats analyzed 2026 data trends, highlighting a shift toward shorter booking windows and the untapped potential of dynamic pricing to stabilize revenue despite “mild” transient growth. The panel emphasized that maintaining operational excellence and clear digital communication is essential for navigating current economic fluctuations and ensuring long-term resilience in the outdoor hospitality sector
February 4, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 4th, 2026

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats aired on February 4th, 2026, host Brian Searl and a panel of experts analyzed the shifting landscape of outdoor hospitality, noting a positive uptick in early-season booking pace and a stronger consumer sentiment compared to previous years. The discussion centered on a comprehensive new report regarding Gen Z, identifying them as a risk-averse, “experience-chasing” demographic that requires highly authentic digital storytelling and multi-channel marketing to engage effectively.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

On July 6th, 2022, we hosted MC Fireside Chats and were joined by various rescuers.
November 9, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 9th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, glamping experts joined another discussion on topics surrounding the glamping industry. Recurring guests Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, and Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan joined today’s show. They are also joined by new recurring members of the show, Zach Stoltenberg, the Glamping & RV Resort Design Leader at Clockwork, as well as Connor Schwab, the Vice President of Outdoor Hospitality at Sage Outdoor Advisory. Irene Woods started off the show with the learnings she gained as the camping season comes to a close. She said that they moved a few levers to see what benefits their operations the most, which considers a luxury that other campgrounds do not have. Woods mentioned that Fields of Michigan tried two things, which she learned something from. First, she learned that it is important but difficult to meet the guest’s expectations while still providing a good experience, such as adjusting their accommodations to improve their customer experience. Second, they tried to have an adults-only policy, then allow guests to bring their children. She realized having adult-only guests bring in more revenue compared to allowing them to bring children to the sites. She said adults pay more to maximize their experience in the campsite, while families have to go outside to entertain the kids. Ruben Martinez agreed with woods, saying that there’s a certain category of questions that camping operators ask, such as “to be family-friendly or not?”, “What food and beverage to have at the campsite?” or “What amenities to offer?” “As soon as you try to be everything, that’s when you become nothing,” he said. “Find what’s perfect for you and stick with it. You can’t always be everything, you have to choose when it becomes hard down the line.” The show then had a special guest, Tent Masters Sales Director Steven Woodburn, who shared some perspective on the Glamping industry, as well as provided a tour of one of their latest tent models. He said that the outdoor hospitality industry has been on the rise, and during post-covid, it has gone full throttle. He added that older generations go on camping trips with families, but with the growing demographic, people from different backgrounds, who are wanting to experience nature, see camping as the perfect opportunity. The industry is all about experience. When asked about the things that changed how campground owners operate this year, Zach Stoltenberg said, on the architecture side, they’ve got clients this year who are first-timers in operating campgrounds, inquiring about how they can continue operating in the winter season. Seasonal camping season may become another option, as some campgrounds begin to accommodate guests all year round, operating even in cold weather. Zach said that they provided tips to their clients on how they can keep operating in these cold temperatures in the short run. Connor Schwab said winter camping is something that campgrounds may see guests wanting to experience, and they would have to come up with solutions for them to accommodate them, even if not a lot of people would be doing it. Woods said that as people continue glamping, one of the things that they did is keep the staples of their campgrounds, especially to maintain their loyal guests. She said improving the guest experience by either leveling up or “being creative with the space” they have is essential, like readjusting, reusing, or re-invigorating it. They had constantly reuse the space in unexpectedly creative ways Martinez said the industry’s growth will always be made by the people looking to set themselves apart from others. Winter camping, for instance, is something that would keep campsites open all year compared to seasonal camping. It is what may keep operations open moving forward. Zach said he agreed with Irene when she said they had to meet their guests from where their expectations were. Campground owners are selling the experience, not the accommodations, and that thought is what makes good operators.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our guest.
October 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 12th, 2022

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we were back from The Glamping Show USA and prepared for another episode focused on glamping. This took place on the second Wednesday of the month and featured a panel of recurring guests: *Ruben Martinez of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association *Irene Wood from Fields of Michigan *David Smith of Outside Capital We were joined by special guests, Miguel Huerta of Nantli Living and Katerina Kamtsi of Campsaround. Miguel discussed the glamping industry in Mexico, and Katerina provided insight into the glamping scene in Greece. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show that concentrates on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats for an exciting discussion.
September 14, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – September 14th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we aired an episode focused on glamping. This show, which took place on the second Wednesday of the month, featured a panel of both recurring and special guests. Ruben Martinez, the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association, returned for another insightful discussion. We also introduced Irene Wood of Fields of Michigan as a regular guest. Meanwhile, BaseGlamp ReVivify’s owners, Mark Kirkendall and Kyle Koch, also joined us as special guests. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and can now be listened to as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
This week we were joined by David Martin for the MC Fireside Chats on July 6th, 2022.
August 10, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – August 10th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we debuted our premiere episode focused on Glamping. Since then, this recurring episode has taken place in the second week of the month and features a panel of both recurring and special guests. We had been working on the lineup for our initial and future shows, and we began with Ruben Martinez who joined us on this episode to contribute to all things glamping. For those who didn’t know Ruben, he is the founder of Glamping Hub and the American Glamping Association. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and it’s now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fire chats welcomed a special guest, Bill.
July 13, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – July 13th, 2022

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Let’s Camp, we welcomed several special guests to the show to discuss financing options and campground development. We were joined by Ken Kaplan, CEO of K2 Commercial Finance, and Bill McLeod and D Melton, Owners of Big Rig Friendly RV Resort in South Carolina. D also serves on the CARVC board of directors. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The episode was streamed live on Facebook and YouTube, and is now available for listening as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.
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June 8, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – June 8th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we had another exciting lineup of guests who will discuss all things outdoor hospitality with us. Jonny Feld is the President of Field Van, whose company manufactures custom camper vans with locations in California and Nevada. We’ll chat with him about the popularity of this camping style and much more. We were also joined by Heather DeSantis, CEO and Founder of Publicity For Good, a Forbes 30 under 30 nominee, and a current Airstream resident who traveled the country for an extensive period of time looking for a place to settle. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.
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January 12, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – January 12th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, we covered the first annual Campspot Awards. Selected by outdoors industry panelists, the Campspot Awards recognize campgrounds leading the way in important aspects such as top destinations, camper experience, unique offerings, and design. We were joined by Erin Stender, Chief Marketing Officer of Campspot, Tyler & Kendra from One-y-One who were panelists, Britt & Meryl from Dark Sky Campgrounds, and Brian from Elkamp Eastcreek who discussed the awards.
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December 8, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – December 8th, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats: We were joined by several guests who helped us discuss diversity in the outdoor hospitality industry. Where were we at, what could we improve, and what did the future hold for the ever-changing demographics of campers? We welcomed Earl B. Hunter, Jr from Black Folks Camp Too, David & Eddie from Full-Time Gays, Lindsey Lerner who has traveled full-time and consulted for Sekr, and Al Berrios who helps coordinate outdoor-related activities for Outerthere.
Join us for the 2021 MC Fireside Chats on November 3rd. Our live show featuring Liam will be a must-watch event!
November 10, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – November 10th, 2021

Raleigh was the host city for this year’s ARVC OHCE, and we had several people live from the show who shared their experiences and interviewed attendees, including Joe Duemig, Heather Blankenship, and more. Plus, we heard from vendors with interesting products and services, including Alex Goldman from Ideal One Amusement Software and Roy Heimowitz from Skyhawk. This was all covered in the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

August 16, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 16th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, a lively discussion unfolded around the topic of family preferences at resorts and campgrounds. Host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Joe Duemig from App My Community and Sean Vidrine from Four Points RV Resorts, and special guest Lee Anne Miracle from Tiger Trail RV Resort , each bringing their unique perspectives to the table. Joe Duemig began by emphasizing the importance of amenities in attracting families to resorts. He shared personal anecdotes about how his children are particularly drawn to resorts that offer features like lazy rivers, swimming pools, and fun water slides. Joe recounted a memorable visit to the Jellystone in Pittsfield, highlighting how such amenities make certain resorts more memorable for children and increase the likelihood of return visits. Sean Vidrine, who manages the Jellystone in Pittsfield, chimed in with details about the park’s vast array of water equipment. He proudly mentioned the recent additions to the park, including two large water slides and jumping pillows. Sean also delved into the strategic aspect of park management, discussing the balance between expanding amenities and increasing the number of sites and cabins. He emphasized the importance of analyzing demand and ensuring that amenities cater to the needs of the guests. Lee Anne Miracle introduced the upcoming Tiger Trails RV Resort, slated to open on September 1st. She explained the inspiration behind the resort’s name, drawing a connection to the local sports team’s mascot, the Tigers. Lee Anne’s enthusiasm for the new resort was palpable, and she extended an invitation to Joe and his family to experience the amenities firsthand. The conversation then shifted to the concept of day-use offerings. Sean elaborated on how parks could generate additional revenue by allowing non-staying visitors to use their amenities for a fee. He mentioned that such offerings are market-specific and need to be balanced to ensure that they don’t impact the experience of staying guests. Joe appreciated the idea of day-use offerings, especially during off-peak days. He shared insights from another customer in Louisiana who successfully implemented a day-use program, allowing locals to enjoy the park’s amenities during specific time slots. The panel also touched upon the power of word-of-mouth marketing. Joe emphasized how positive experiences at campgrounds can lead to long-term brand loyalty, with families recommending the resorts to friends and relatives. As the discussion neared its end, Brian highlighted the importance of understanding guest preferences and continuously evolving to meet their needs. He expressed interest in revisiting the topic in the future to gauge the progress of the discussed strategies. In conclusion, the episode of MC Fireside Chats provided valuable insights into the world of resorts and campgrounds. The shared experiences and strategies underscored the importance of guest-centric amenities and the potential for innovative revenue streams.
On July 19th, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
July 19, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 19th, 2023

On the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats last July 19 presented by Modern Campground host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Nate Thompson from KCN Campgrounds and Scott Knepp from IVEE Group and special guests Justin Hogatt and Adam Lendi from Beyonder Camp, Mark Lemoine from St. Joseph KOA Holiday and Shannon Connolly of Roamstead. The conversation begins with Shannon discussing her experience of acquiring a park and the challenges she faced in the process. She mentions the difficulties of dealing with weather-related delays and other issues such as plumbing and septic problems. She also expresses her envy of the more favorable weather conditions in Tennessee and Michigan for construction. Mark shares his experience of managing a successful seasonal park. He talks about the work involved in maintaining the park, including physical work, marketing, and financial management. He also mentions how his life situation has changed over time, with his children growing up and leaving home, which has allowed him and his wife to travel and enjoy their time. Adam and Justin discuss their approach to acquiring parks and managing properties. They mention that they started with cash-flowing properties that would generate income from day one. They also talk about their interest in properties that have potential for expansion and development. They mention that they are now starting to get into the ground-up development space. The participants discuss the different types of clientele they encounter, from mom-and-pop folks looking to sell or maintain their parks, to institutional investors with large hotel portfolios. They also mention the importance of high-end reporting and sophisticated property management system capabilities for attracting sophisticated clients. The conversation shifts to the topic of pricing and the balance between raising prices to match the quality of services and amenities provided, and keeping prices affordable for long-time guests. Mark mentions that as the quality of their park improved, they were able to raise prices, and most guests were willing to pay more for the improved experience. The participants discuss the competition from state and federal parks, which offer amenities similar to those of private parks but at lower prices. They also discuss the demand for high-end amenities and experiences, and the importance of understanding their demographic and the market they want to target. The video ends with the participants expressing their appreciation for the discussion and looking forward to future events and discussions. They also mention the importance of providing a high-quality experience for their guests, who often stay for several days, and the opportunities and challenges that come with managing a park.
On April 19, 2023, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our special guest.
April 19, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 19, 2023

April 19 Episode Recap On the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, host brian Searl highlighted the importance of branding in campground business. He also mentioned how Zapier automation had helped him save time and how he had used it to improve the efficiency of his employees. On the other hand, Ali and Eric Rasmussen, Co-Founders of Spacious Skies Campgrounds, talked about their husband-and-wife team dynamics. Eric focused on acquisition, capital markets, and asset management, while Ali focused on operations, running the campground, brand development, and marketing. The couple started their business from scratch and now focusing on perfecting their business process. Travis John, Founder of CamperDAO, discussed how they aimed to democratize the ability to vote and make decisions using blockchain technology. CamperDAO is a community-driven project that aims to organize modern millennial campers through communication and committees to organize businesses. The goal is to crowd-fund 10,000 fellow RVers to buy their first campground. Nate Thompson, Founder of KCN Campground, shared their model of upgrading underutilized campgrounds and the usage of automated text messaging for guests. He also mentioned the importance of having a consumer-focused website and his insights on the use of AI in sending messages and recommendations to guests. Overall, the podcast provided valuable insights into the camping and outdoor industry. From brand building to automation and the use of innovative technologies such as blockchain and AI, the founders shared a wealth of knowledge and experience that is sure to benefit anyone interested in the industry.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
March 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 15th, 2023

On the March 15th edition of MC Fireside Chats, a panel of industry experts convened to share their experiences and insights. The episode, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, featured recurring guests Joe Duemig of App My Community and Scott Knepp of IVEE Group, alongside special guests Thomas Bales and Jake Schmitz, co-founders of Lagos Collective and owners of Swan Lake Resort & Campground. Host Brian Searl led the discussion with Tom and Jake from Lagos Collective, a group of five young entrepreneurs who unexpectedly found themselves in the campground business after initially planning to build a workshop and cabins on a private plot of land in Minnesota. Instead, they purchased Swan Lake Resort and Campground, embracing the challenge of honoring the existing culture and expectations of long-time guests while adapting their original vision to run the campground effectively. The group candidly shared their journey, emphasizing the importance of due diligence when purchasing a campground, as well as meeting code and regulations to avoid future problems. Scott Knepp advised potential campground buyers to pay the right people to do the right things, as expertise is invaluable during the acquisition process. Reflecting on their growth as campground owners, Tom and Jake expressed their gratitude for the tight-knit community of resort owners and the wealth of resources available. Joe Duemig highlighted the value of vendors in providing information and training for their products. At the same time, Scott Knepp stressed the benefits of being part of a portfolio with a third-party manager for access to a shared knowledge base and weekly management calls. The panel also touched upon the role of technology in the outdoor hospitality industry, particularly the potential benefits and challenges of artificial intelligence. While AI can create high-quality content and help users navigate complex systems more easily, the panel acknowledged the potential dangers of AI, such as the spread of fake news or misinformation. The group also explored the evolving landscape of SEO and how it may change over time. Lastly, the podcast introduced a new initiative called MC Masterclass, aimed at providing free courses and resources for campground owners and operators. This highlights the growing interest in using audio formats like podcasts to share information and learn from industry peers. With a focus on networking, relationship-building, and technology as a tool to enhance the guest experience, the panel on MC Fireside Chats offered valuable insights for both new and seasoned campground owners.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 15, 2023

The week’s edition of MC Fireside Chats centered on the recent happenings in the RV and camping industries. Host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Mike Harrison from CRR Lifestyle and Joe Duemig of App My Community, as well as special guests New Jersey Campground Owners and Outdoor Lodging Association Executive Director Joann Delvescio and Harvest Host CEO Joel Holland. The group opened the discussion around the Mid-Atlantic Conference for Campground Owners, an opportunity to for networking and learning for the park owners and key players in the industry. It will be held in Orlando, Florida, this February 27 to March 1. They shared their experiences attending trade shows and emphasized the importance of networking with campground owners and offering value through products and services. They also discussed upcoming conferences in the spring, including the Ohio Ocus, the Northeast Camping Association, the Waco Association of Campground Owners camp Michigan, and the California Outdoor Hospitality Association. The Mid-Atlantic Conference provides an opportunity for the industry to come together and learn from each other. It offers an early bird special registration offer of $250, which includes 10 sessions, lunch, and dinner on Monday and Tuesday. Joel Holland also talked about his latest project, the Campers Card, a free marketing program for campgrounds that provides RV campers with discounts and perks. The program does not require any special software, contracts, or fees for campgrounds to join, and the team is developing a new website that will launch with the product in April. They aim to address the challenge of RV travel discovery by investing in product development and marketing to attract RVers to the program. The group discussed the challenges of balancing marketing and spamming customers and the importance of offering perks and discounts tailored to individual campgrounds. They also discussed the changing trends in the camping industry, with people having higher disposable incomes and looking for a wider range of amenities. The conversation concluded with Joann sharing information about her camping and RV show and encouraging individuals to attend. Overall, the podcast highlights the need for flexibility and understanding the needs of both RVers and campground owners to make the camping and RV industry successful. The discussion also emphasized the importance of networking and learning opportunities offered through trade shows and conferences.
On January 18, 2023, MC Rescue Chats had the pleasure of being joined by Duncan Aguilar for this week's fireside chat.
January 18, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 18, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, show hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia discussed the possible opportunities and challenges that AI usage may bring to the campground and RV industry. Joining them for this discussion are recurring guest Papoose Pond Co-Owner Duncan Winship and special guest Outdoor Venture Partners Managing Partner Andrew Garcia. The group discussed various topics, such as the effects of using AI for customer service, enforcing campground rules, increasing bookings, and marketing. They also emphasized the limitations of AI technology and the need for more data to enhance its capabilities to make decisions. They also discussed the possibility of using robots for security and other purposes in campgrounds. Garcia, who is also an owner of two campgrounds, one of which is fairly recently developed, shared his thoughts on how new players in the outdoor hospitality industry can bring in new energy and ideas. He expressed staff challenges and how catering to the demands of guests is important. “The use of AI in the campground industry is a game changer. It helps us to provide a more personalized experience to our guests while still maintaining a sense of security,” he said. “The possibilities of AI in the campground industry are endless. It will make the process of customer service, rule enforcement, and marketing more efficient, which in turn will help to improve the guest experience,” said Winship. The group’s discussion shifted to the idea of using AI to improve campground operations’ efficiency and utilizing virtual reality in attending conferences and networking like the upcoming Canadian Outdoor Hospitality Conference 2023, organized by the Canadian Camping & RV Council, which will be done purely virtual. They also discussed the potential of AI tools such as GPT-4 and its potential impact on the RV industry. MC Fireside Chats is a podcast that discusses the latest trends and challenges in the campground and RV industry with experts. The show is hosted by Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The latest episode is available now and can be found on the show’s website or on popular podcast platforms.
This week, on December 21st, we were joined by MC Fire Chats during our MC Fireside Chats episode.
December 21, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 21st, 2022

This year has been a rollercoaster ride for the outdoor hospitality, outdoor recreation, RV, glamping, and campground industries. While the sectors had their fair share of struggles, they also celebrated victories and accomplishments. In this year-ender episode of MC Fireside Chats, we brought back industry experts to look back and discuss learning points from this year. Industry experts Connor Schwab, Scott Knepp, Jeff Hoffman, Phil Ingrassia, Curtis Hemmeler, Rich Schnippel, and Mike Harrison talked about the state of the campground and outdoor hospitality industry in 2022 and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Jeff Hoffman, Founder of JH Consulting Solutions, reflects on how the industry fared in 2022. Phil Ingrassia, RVDA’s executive director anticipates another busy year for the industry. Ingrassia said the final numbers for 2022 aren’t done, but the data projection for RV wholesale shipments is just under 500,000–a product of the normalization of production. Curtis Hemmeler, President of RVTI, talked about the milestone the institute achieved as they continue to produce more certified RV technicians to solve the RV industry’s shortage of trained technicians and to implement metrics to track the RV customer experience. Hemmeler proudly announced that by December 31st, RVTI has added over 1,200 trained and certified technicians. Rich Schnippel, founder and president of Encore RV had seen a bright 2022 and anticipates challenges in 2023 due to economic uncertainties. Schnippel is hopeful that the economy will stabilize for the benefit of the industry. Scott Knepp, director of operations at IVEE Group shared the impact of gas prices and inflation on consumer confidence. Knepp believes the future looks bright and is hoping for normalization and stabilization in the industry. CRR Lifestyle’s Mike Harrison looked at the challenges of this year and the uncertainties of the coming year as an opportunity for park owners to innovate, pivot, and think outside the box. Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Hospitality highlighted the importance of tracking outdoor hospitality data for future park owners. Overall, the guests reflected on the challenges and successes of the campground, RV, and outdoor hospitality industries in 2022 and look forward to the potential for continued growth and innovation in 2023. They touched on topics such as the popularity of glamping, the impact of the pandemic on the RV industry, and the increasing demand for outdoor travel and experiences.
On July 6th, 2022, we had the pleasure of hosting MC Fireside Chats.
November 16, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 16th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, this special edition of the show takes place at this year’s KOA Convention & Expo! Podcast host, Brian Searl, is joined by KOA campground owners around the country. KOA President & CEO Toby O’Rourke, Brigham City KOA’s James Settlemire, KCN Campgrounds’ Nate Thompson, Sandusky/Bayshore KOA’s Jeff Hoffman, and Raton, New Mexico KOA’s Grant Robertson joined today’s show, discussing KOA’s and the camping industry’s direction in the future. The show kicked off with Toby O’Rourke telling KOA’s new direction and mentality moving forward, especially since the organization recently experienced its best year in their history. She said it was time to look back and “think like a start-up” company once again since they have been in business for 60 years. It could help KOA learn how they can keep growing as an organization and “be mission-driven.” She added that the companies that started at the same time as they did 60 years ago are no longer in business, so they don’t want KOA to be disrupted and go out like the others. She believes it’s best to keep looking for ways to improve. She mentioned some future projects of the organization, like ideating new technology, data analysis, and other equipment that can help them and their franchisees go to the next level. The discussion continued with Jeff Hoffman explaining the status of his KOA and its ongoing plans, then his recent experience in the event’s session, especially how deserving the campgrounds who won this year’s awards in the KOA awards show. James Settlemire said KOA has always been hands-on when it comes to supporting the operations of its franchisees and their entrepreneurial spirit. And, how the conference was always about the people in the industry, giving them to keep up with change and adapt to recent times. As a first-timer in the convention, Nate Thompson shared how impressed he was with KOA and their use of data analytics, determining their best course of action. He said he wants to keep using the organization’s support and technology to help grow and improve his campground. As someone who’s been going to the convention for 20 years, Grant Robertson said that people are becoming increasingly interactive with each other, sharing how their respective campgrounds improved through the years. “They dont ask franchisees to change without trying some actions first. KOA doesn’t demand change [immediately]. They first suggest action plans and what could work, helping [franchisees] slowly but surely adapt to the changing times without disrupting them too much,” he said. He said KOA has been supportive and meeting the expectations of their franchisees and customers, giving each the best experience possible. The current KOA makes them feel valued and provides value in the work they do. Nate shared that he loved the startup mentality since he started in a few tech companies in the past, understanding the direction. He has lived the experience of trying something new then keep it if it works, then moving forward if it failed. It allows them to learn. James. the guests coming in has changed, and they are not just staying in their RV, they want to go around the area and experience the outdoors. He likes the experience of trying something new and learning from it. He is excited about how KOA will understand the new guest demographic coming in their campgrounds. Jeff said KOA does a great job helping their people, from the new members to the old. They provide the support they need. They are an innovative company always looking to new things to grow. He said People in the organization are leaders not followers. All their operation systems need to keep growing and he loves the data they receive to show them what works. One of the great things about KOA is that he gets to sit down and chat with other industry members and discuss the technologies, amenities, and ideas that could help them grow. They share information to help them thrive.
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October 19, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 19th, 2022

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, we discussed what was on the minds of campground owners with our recurring guests, who appear once a month with us to cover various topics: Mike Harrison, from CRR Lifestyle Duncan Winship, from Papoose Pond Joe Duemig, from App My Community Amir Harpaz of Torrey Trails RV & Golf Resort also joined us to share how the park was preparing for the EV revolution. Four Points RV Resorts CEO Sean Vidrine was another special guest for that episode. He discussed the new upgrades at Paradise Ranch RV Resort and also the park’s preparations for the upcoming holiday season. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

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September 22, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – September 22nd, 2021

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we chatted with the co-founder and chief marketing officer of Outdoorsy, Jennifer Young! We discussed peer-to-peer rentals and how they broaden access to the RV/camping lifestyle to more people. Plus, we talked about how Outdoorsy and campgrounds can work together to benefit everyone involved.
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August 25, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – August 25th, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, we discussed ways to earn more revenue by thinking outside the box. Are there things other park owners have done that you can do at your campground too? Plus, we tackled revenue sources from a supplier perspective as well, so if you’re business partners with campgrounds, be sure to tune in for some ideas on your side as well. Special guests for this episode include Shane Devenish from the Canadian Camping & RV Council and Joe Deumig from App My Community.
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July 28, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – July 28th, 2021

This week we discussed a wide range of evolving accommodations, from both a manufacturer standpoint and a services standpoint as well. We were joined by Dan Smucker from Lancaster Log Cabins, Gavin Stuart from Meska Outdoors, and we also covered some recent news regarding accommodations overall.
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June 28, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – June 28th, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, we were joined by Jeff Kirkman of J Kirkman & Associates who has developed several parks in Canada, and Mike Harrison from Contemporary Resorts and Residences who is leading the development efforts at several luxury RV Resorts in the United States. We discussed what they learned along the way, tips for people just getting started on their journey, and much more.
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May 24, 2021

MC Fireside Chats – May 24th, 2021

This week on MC Fireside Chats, we spoke with Tessa McCrackin. She is the Chief Marketing Officer of Northgate, and we discussed how they are innovating in the industry and what they hope to accomplish with their new brand that launched recently, Camp Fimfo. We also welcomed Quentin Incao, who was working on a new Camp Collective brand at the time. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.