Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

June 5, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – June 5th, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the conversation featured industry experts Scott Bahr, Sandy Ellingson, Mike Harrison, Jeff Hoffman, Casey Cochran, and Mark Koep. The discussion focused on the current challenges facing the outdoor hospitality industry, particularly for new park owners who purchased properties at inflated prices during the COVID-19 boom. Sandy Ellingson highlighted that many new park owners are now struggling due to high debt from purchasing properties at peak prices. These owners are facing declining occupancy rates and financial pressures, which contrast with the previous owners who did not have such high debt burdens. Scott Bahr emphasized the importance of understanding both macro and micro trends in the industry. He advised park owners to leverage data from various sources to make informed decisions and anticipate future trends. Jeff Hoffman echoed this sentiment, stressing the need for forward bookings and the use of modern PMS systems for better financial planning and forecasting. The conversation also delved into revenue management and pricing strategies. Mike Harrison and Casey Cochran discussed the necessity of dynamic pricing and targeted promotions, advising against blanket discounting. Instead, they suggested running specific promotions and leveraging ancillary revenue streams. Jeff Hoffman shared a practical approach to pricing, suggesting a tiered structure based on site quality and demand. Technology and education were identified as critical areas for park owners to focus on. Mike Harrison and Jeff Hoffman underscored the importance of staying updated with technological advancements and industry trends. They recommended that park owners invest in technology to enhance operations and guest experiences. Sandy Ellingson introduced “the Hub,” a new platform aimed at facilitating collaboration and innovation within the industry. Mark Koep advised park owners to utilize their existing guest email lists for targeted marketing, emphasizing the value of engaging past guests through email campaigns to maintain occupancy and drive repeat business. Casey Cochran highlighted the importance of allocating time to work on the business rather than just in it, exploring new marketing strategies, and leveraging technology. The panelists also discussed enhancing the guest experience by offering additional amenities and organizing events. They suggested that park owners look for ways to provide unique experiences that could drive additional revenue, such as rental services and partnerships with local businesses. Scott Bahr recommended that park owners actively listen to their guests to understand their needs and preferences better. Sandy Ellingson suggested revising deposit and cancellation policies to make bookings more attractive to potential guests. The episode concluded with each panelist offering practical advice. Mike Harrison emphasized the need to keep up with technology and industry trends, while Mark Koep advised using email marketing to engage past guests. Sandy Ellingson highlighted the importance of collaboration and innovation, and Scott Bahr recommended asking questions and actively listening to guests. Jeff Hoffman stressed the importance of financial planning and forecasting, and Casey Cochran advised creating space and time to work on the business strategically. Overall, the episode provided valuable insights and practical tips for park owners to adapt and thrive in a challenging economic environment.
May 1, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – May 1st, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Cara Csizmadia, who is also the president of the Canadian Camping and RVs Association and a former co-host of the show, returns to lead a dynamic discussion. The episode, recorded on May 1, 2024, coincides with the opening day for many campgrounds, adding a festive note to the discussion despite some areas facing challenging weather conditions. Cara opens the episode with a warm welcome and shares her enthusiasm for returning to the show. She introduces the recurring guests: Jeff Hoffman, Scott Bahr, Christine Taylor, and Sandy Ellingson, each an expert in their respective fields within the outdoor hospitality industry. Scott Bahr of Camp Consulting Group, who has over two decades of experience in market research within the industry, discusses the recent trends he has observed. He notes that last year’s disruptions, particularly adverse weather, significantly impacted campground bookings. Scott anticipates a growing trend toward more spontaneous travel among campers, driven by a shift in consumer behavior that favors flexibility and short-notice travel plans. Jeff Hoffman from Camp Strategy talks about the operational and financial aspects of running campgrounds. He highlights a shift back to pre-COVID booking windows, which have narrowed significantly compared to the extended booking periods seen during the pandemic. Jeff reassures campground owners that despite a slower booking pace, the industry remains healthy, and there has been little resistance to recent price increases, suggesting that consumers have adjusted to the new pricing norms. Christine Taylor, who brings a legal perspective from her extensive experience in the camping industry, discusses the crucial role of legal support in managing a campground. She stresses the importance of having robust legal advice to navigate the complex landscape of outdoor hospitality, touching on issues like business fraud and the essential nature of legal services in preventive practices. Sandy Ellingson, enriches the discussion with her insights into dynamic pricing strategies. She explains the financial benefits of minor rate increases and the impact of adaptive cancellation policies on consumer booking behaviors. Sandy’s expertise highlights how slight adjustments in pricing and policies can significantly enhance revenue without alienating guests. Throughout the episode, the conversation delves into innovative solutions being implemented by campgrounds to adapt to changing consumer expectations. This includes flexible cancellation policies and creative approaches to managing long-term stays to avoid legal and operational complications. The panelists discuss the balance between being open to guests and managing the business aspects efficiently to maintain profitability and guest satisfaction. The episode wraps up with Cara thanking the guests for their insights and reflecting on the vibrant discussion that covered both the opportunities and challenges facing the outdoor hospitality industry today. The blend of expert opinions provides a comprehensive overview of the strategies that campground owners can employ to navigate the current market dynamics and legal landscape, ensuring the continued success of their businesses. This rich conversation not only addresses the immediate concerns related to the opening day of the season but also broader trends that could influence the future of camping and outdoor hospitality.
Graphic for "MC Fireside Chats" podcast episode on April 3rd, 2024, featuring guests Mike Harzson, Mark Koep, Jeff Hoffman, and Scott Bahr.
April 3, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – April 3rd, 2024

In a dynamic episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl led a rich discussion featuring industry experts Mike Harrison, Scott Bahr, Jeff Hoffman, and Mark Koep, who collectively dissect the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The episode begins on a lighter note, with Searl and his guests sharing their personal anecdotes, setting the stage for an engaging dialogue that delves deep into industry trends, challenges, and strategies for success. Brian Searl, the anchor of the conversation, guides the dialogue with precision, touching on a wide array of subjects, from the impact of technological advancements on the camping industry to the intricacies of consumer behavior in a post-pandemic world. His insightful questions and commentary knit the diverse topics into a coherent narrative that offers a panoramic view of the sector. Mike Harrison brings to the table his operational expertise, discussing the practical challenges and opportunities parks face in real-time. He provides a nuanced analysis of how occupancy rates, advanced booking patterns, and revenue management practices are adapting to new market realities. Harrison’s perspective is particularly valuable in understanding the operational shifts necessitated by fluctuating demand and the adoption of new technologies. Scott Bahr, with his deep dive into data and analytics, sheds light on the latest industry reports and the significance of sustainable practices. His discussion on the importance of data in driving decisions and understanding consumer trends is eye-opening. Bahr emphasizes the need for parks to leverage data more effectively to navigate the complexities of the market and to tailor their services to meet the evolving expectations of their guests. Jeff Hoffman offers insights into the strategic aspects of park management and marketing. He stresses the importance of parks modernizing their facilities and operations to enhance the guest experience. Hoffman’s discussion on the use of technology to streamline operations and engage with guests more effectively highlights the critical role of innovation in maintaining competitiveness. Mark Koep focuses on the marketing strategies that parks can employ to attract and retain guests. He delves into the importance of understanding the customer journey and utilizing digital marketing tools to reach potential guests. Koep’s expertise in online marketing and customer engagement provides a roadmap for parks looking to enhance their visibility and appeal in a crowded marketplace. Throughout the episode, the conversation seamlessly transitions from operational challenges to marketing strategies, economic impacts, and the future of outdoor hospitality. The discussion on the mini-recession, rising gas prices, and their implications on consumer travel habits offers a sobering look at the challenges ahead. However, the panelists also highlight the resilience of the industry and the potential for innovation and adaptability to drive growth. The episode concludes with a forward-looking discussion on the importance of parks embracing change, modernizing their operations, and investing in marketing to thrive in an increasingly competitive environment.
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March 6, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – March 6th, 2024

March 6th Episode Recap In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Mike Harrison, stepping in for Brian Searl, led a compelling discussion with a panel of industry experts, including Sandy Ellingson, Christine Taylor, Scott Bahr, Jeff Hoffman, Mark Koep, and Casey Cochran. As the discussion unfolded, the panelists shared their experiences and insights from various parts of the United States, touching upon the weather conditions and their impact on camping and RVing. This led to an exploration of the upcoming eclipse, with Scott Bahr providing data on the growing enthusiasm among campers and RVers, highlighting the industry’s potential for growth during such events. A significant portion of the conversation centered around the recent partnership between Autocamp and Hilton, which the panelists viewed as a major endorsement for the glamping industry. Casey Cochran emphasized the partnership’s potential to elevate industry standards and attract customers with expectations influenced by their experiences with traditional hotel brands. Mike Harrison, drawing from his background in hospitality, contrasted the community and friendliness found in RV resorts with the impersonal nature of hotels, suggesting that outdoor hospitality offers unique and irreplaceable experiences. The dialogue then shifted to the concept of RVing as a year-round activity, with Mark Koep sharing his experiment with winter RV travel in the northeastern United States. This sparked a broader discussion on the potential for campgrounds to extend their seasons to accommodate RVers seeking off-season adventures, emphasizing the need for infrastructure and services to support winter camping. Revenue management emerged as a critical theme, with the panelists exploring the need for more sophisticated pricing strategies in the outdoor hospitality industry. Sandy Ellingson made a distinction between dynamic pricing and rate yielding, pointing out the necessity for parks to adopt true dynamic pricing strategies that leverage technology for automatic adjustments based on real-time demand. Christine Taylor and Casey Cochran discussed the challenges of introducing new pricing strategies to consumers unfamiliar with dynamic pricing in the context of campgrounds. They noted the resistance from consumers accustomed to static pricing models, highlighting the need for education and gradual adoption of dynamic pricing strategies. Jeff Hoffman shared his experiences teaching revenue management and dynamic pricing at industry conferences. He emphasized the importance of educating campground owners on the benefits of adopting differentiated pricing strategies for weekdays, weekends, and special events. Hoffman expressed concern about major hospitality brands like Hilton entering the campground industry, potentially bringing their advanced operational systems and deep understanding of revenue management. He urged campground owners to begin adopting more sophisticated pricing strategies to remain competitive in an evolving industry. Casey Cochran shared insights on the adoption of dynamic pricing among parks on their system, revealing that a small percentage of parks use dynamic pricing. He advocated for parks to start with simple rules to see the benefits of dynamic pricing without significantly impacting customer satisfaction. Mike Harrison proposed a collaborative effort to educate the industry on revenue management, suggesting a series of webinars or educational sessions. The idea received enthusiastic support, with a focus on making the content accessible and applicable across different PMS platforms. Scott Bahr touched on the importance of accommodations in rural outdoor recreation areas, highlighting a potential growth area for the outdoor hospitality industry. This segment underscored the broader implications of improving hospitality offerings for economic development in rural areas. The episode concluded with a call to action for industry leaders to collaborate on educational initiatives to advance revenue management practices in outdoor hospitality. The participants recognized the challenges ahead but remained optimistic about the industry’s potential for growth and evolution. The discussion highlighted the importance of adapting to new technologies, embracing change, and preparing for the increasing interest from larger hospitality entities, with Jeff Hoffman’s insights adding a crucial perspective on the need for education and adaptation in the face of potential competition from major hospitality brands.
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February 7, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 7th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, a panel of industry leaders gathered to discuss a range of topics pertinent to the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The episode featured insights from Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality, Scott Bahr of Cairn Consulting Group, Mark Koep of Campground Views, and Sandy Ellingson, an RV industry expert, each bringing their unique perspectives to the table. The conversation covered the impact of COVID-19 on camping trends, the importance of events and activities at campgrounds, the adoption of AI and technology, and the future of search and marketing strategies for campgrounds. Brian Searl initiated the discussion by highlighting the show’s focus on providing valuable insights for campground owners, managers, and industry professionals. He emphasized the importance of understanding the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality and the role of technology in shaping the future of camping experiences. Searl’s introduction set the stage for a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities facing the industry today. Mike Harrison shared his observations on the industry’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, noting the surge in new campers and the potential for sustained growth. He stressed the need for campgrounds to adapt their operations and services to retain these new enthusiasts. Harrison’s insights into the operational aspects of running campgrounds provided a practical perspective on managing growth and enhancing guest experiences. Scott Bahr contributed to the conversation by discussing the findings from recent research on camping trends, particularly in relation to election years and times of major disruption. Bahr’s analysis suggested that camping tends to increase during such periods, offering opportunities for campgrounds to attract guests looking for stress relief and outdoor experiences. He also touched on the potential impact of restrictions on BLM land camping on private parks, highlighting the importance of understanding and adapting to regulatory changes. Mark Koep brought attention to the significance of events and activities in attracting and retaining campers. He shared examples of successful event-driven strategies employed by campgrounds and discussed the potential for experiential camping to drive the industry forward. Koep’s enthusiasm for creative engagement underscored the value of offering unique and memorable experiences to guests. Sandy Ellingson emphasized the need for clearer definitions and categorizations within the RV and camping industry to better educate and guide consumers. She pointed out the confusion caused by mislabeling parks and the impact on camper expectations. Ellingson’s passion for education and clarity resonated as a call to action for industry professionals to work towards better communication and representation. The panel also explored the slow but inevitable adoption of AI and technology within the industry. Brian Searl shared insights into how AI can enhance customer service and operations, highlighting the potential for AI to revolutionize search and marketing strategies for campgrounds. The discussion touched on the importance of preparing for changes in online search behavior, particularly the move towards voice search and AI-driven results. The conversation shifted to the changing landscape of online search, with the speakers highlighting the move towards voice search and AI-driven results. They stressed the importance of preparing for these changes to ensure campgrounds remain visible and attractive to potential guests. The discussion underscored the need for campgrounds to adapt their marketing strategies to stay ahead of technological advancements. Collaboration and data sharing emerged as key themes, with the speakers emphasizing the importance of sharing best practices within the industry. They called for campground owners and managers to collaborate more closely to raise the overall quality of the camping experience. This collaboration was seen as essential for ensuring the industry’s continued growth and success. The episode concluded with a discussion on the future of the industry, with the speakers expressing optimism about the continued growth of camping. They highlighted the potential for campgrounds to attract and retain guests through improved operations, engaging events, and the adoption of new technologies. The conversation underscored the dynamic nature of the outdoor hospitality industry and the need for ongoing innovation and adaptation. In summary, the episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive overview of the current state and future directions of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The insights from Brian Searl, Mike Harrison, Scott Bahr, Mark Koep, and Sandy Ellingson offered valuable perspectives on the challenges and opportunities facing the industry. The discussion highlighted the importance of understanding and adapting to new technologies, retaining the new wave of campers brought in by the pandemic, and the critical role of events and activities in enhancing the camping experience. The speakers’ expertise and perspectives underscored the need for continued innovation, collaboration, and education within the industry. The conversation served as a call to action for industry professionals to work together to improve the quality of camping experiences and ensure the sustained growth and success of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. Overall, the episode of MC Fireside Chats was a testament to the resilience and adaptability of the outdoor hospitality and RV industry. The insights shared by the panel of industry leaders provided valuable guidance for campground owners, managers, and professionals looking to navigate the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The discussion offered a hopeful outlook for the future of camping, emphasizing the potential for growth and innovation in the face of challenges and opportunities.
On January 3rd, MC Fireside Chats this week we were joined by Scott Scott.
January 3, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 3rd, 2024 

The first episode of MC Fireside Chats this 2024 presents a comprehensive discussion on the outdoor hospitality industry. The episode features insightful contributions from industry experts Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Scott Bahr, each bringing a unique perspective to the table. Host Brian Searl sets the stage for the conversation, emphasizing the show’s focus on providing valuable insights for business success in the outdoor hospitality sector. He introduces the panel, highlighting their expertise and the value they bring to the discussion. The conversation begins with a look at the current state of the RV and camping industry, with each guest sharing their observations and experiences. Mike Harrison, with his extensive background in luxury RV resorts, offers insights into the trends and challenges facing the industry. He discusses the impact of external events, such as election years, on travel and camping patterns. Mike’s analysis provides a nuanced understanding of how luxury travel and camping are influenced by broader societal trends. Sandy Ellingson brings a wealth of experience in campground operations and marketing. She highlights the challenges campgrounds face in adapting to changing market conditions, especially in the realm of digital marketing. Sandy’s perspective is particularly valuable in understanding the need for effective online presence and marketing strategies in the industry. Scott Bahr, an expert in market research, delves into the data-driven aspects of the industry. He shares insights from his research on guest reviews and behavior, emphasizing the importance of understanding customer feedback. Scott’s contribution is crucial in highlighting how data analysis can inform better business practices in outdoor hospitality. The conversation also touches on the evolving preferences of campers and RVers. The panel discusses the shift from traditional RV camping to alternatives like glamping, and how this impacts the industry. This part of the discussion underscores the need for campgrounds to adapt and cater to a diverse range of customer preferences. A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to the role of technology in enhancing the camping experience. The panelists explore the potential of AI and other technological advancements in improving convenience and efficiency for both campers and campground operators. Brian, in particular, shares his enthusiasm for the possibilities that AI presents in revolutionizing the industry. The panelists also discuss the importance of education and knowledge sharing within the industry. They emphasize the need for tailored educational efforts to address the varying levels of experience and knowledge among campground owners and operators. This part of the conversation highlights the ongoing need for professional development in the industry. Another key topic is the trend of bundling offerings and hosting events in campgrounds. The panelists explore how this approach, inspired by the cruise industry, can enhance customer retention and generate recurring revenue. This discussion points to the innovative strategies campgrounds can adopt to stay competitive. The conversation concludes with a focus on future trends and predictions for the industry. The panelists share their thoughts on what 2024 might hold for outdoor hospitality, discussing potential growth areas and challenges. This forward-looking discussion provides valuable insights for industry stakeholders planning for the future. Overall, the episode offers a rich and varied discussion on the outdoor hospitality industry. The insights shared by Brian Searl, Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Scott Bahr provide a comprehensive overview of the current state and future prospects of the industry. Their conversation is a testament to the dynamic and evolving nature of outdoor hospitality, highlighting the importance of adaptability, innovation, and customer-centric approaches in achieving business success.
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December 6, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 6th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks, and a panel of industry experts gathered to discuss a range of topics central to the camping and outdoor hospitality industry. The panel included Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group, Casey Cochran from Camp Spot, RV Industry Advisor Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, providing a well-rounded perspective on the industry’s current state and future directions. The episode kicked off with Brian Searl introducing the panel and setting the stage for what turned out to be an insightful discussion. He shared his excitement about the wealth of topics to be discussed, stemming from recent experiences at various industry conferences. This laid the groundwork for a conversation that would delve into the intricacies of the camping industry, particularly in the wake of COVID-19’s impact. Sandy Ellingson brought up an important point about the operational changes that many campgrounds had to undertake due to the pandemic. These changes included tighter cancellation policies and increased deposit requirements, which were initially necessary due to the surge in demand. However, Ellingson suggested that these policies might now be working against campgrounds, as they could be deterring potential customers who are hesitant to make plans far in advance. Casey Cochran then highlighted innovations aimed at reducing cancellations and encouraging bookings, such as weather guarantees and camp credits. These features, he noted, are designed to offer flexibility and peace of mind to campers, a crucial factor in today’s uncertain times. Cochran’s insights pointed to a larger trend in the industry: adapting to customer preferences and expectations in a post-pandemic world. Mike Harrison emphasized the significance of flexible cancellation policies. He explained that his approach at Sierra Hospitality focuses on making it easy for customers to do business with them, thus building trust and loyalty. Harrison’s perspective underscored the importance of customer-centric policies in maintaining a competitive edge. Brian Searl then shifted the conversation to the concerns of campground owners. He noted that many owners had implemented strict policies due to uncertainty about the future and a lack of marketing knowledge. Searl’s comments highlighted the need for campground owners to stay informed and adapt to changing market conditions. The panelists unanimously agreed on the importance of data and analytics in guiding business decisions. They discussed the necessity for campground owners to understand and utilize data analytics for making informed decisions. This led to a broader discussion about the educational needs within the industry, with panelists agreeing on the need for ongoing learning and adaptation. Technology’s role in improving campground operations was another significant topic. Brian Searl proposed the idea of a data pull tool that could provide campground owners with essential information in an easy-to-digest format. This suggestion pointed to a larger trend of integrating technology into various aspects of campground management to streamline operations and enhance guest experiences. Casey Cochran touched upon a sensitive topic in the industry: the competitive advantage and reluctance to share ‘trade secrets.’ He pointed out that while some campground owners might be hesitant to share successful strategies with competitors, others, like Mike Harrison, are more open. This openness, Cochran noted, could lead to overall industry growth and improvement. Towards the end of the discussion, Scott Bahr emphasized the need to keep an eye on seasonal trends, particularly in winter camping. He suggested that monitoring these trends could provide valuable insights into the industry’s growth and changing dynamics. Bahr’s point highlighted the importance of staying abreast of market changes and adapting accordingly. In their closing remarks, the panelists reflected on the importance of community in the camping industry and acknowledged the contributions of various industry players. Brian Searl concluded the episode by thanking the panelists for their insights and wishing the audience a happy holiday season, looking forward to more discussions in the new year. This episode offered a comprehensive look at the camping and outdoor hospitality industry, covering topics from operational changes due to COVID-19 to the role of technology in improving guest experiences. The insights shared by Brian Searl, Scott Bahr, Casey Cochran, Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison provided a valuable perspective on the industry’s current state and its potential for future growth and innovation.
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November 1, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 1st, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl sets the stage for a comprehensive discussion on the significance of data and analytics in the sector. He introduces a panel of esteemed guests: Scott Bahr of Cairn Consulting Group, the newest member of the panel, along with regular guests Christine Taylor, Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Mark Koep. Each brings a unique perspective, promising a rich dialogue on the challenges and opportunities in outdoor hospitality. Mike Harrison, dives into the festive spirit with comments on the Halloween-themed nameplates, appreciating the small but thoughtful touch. He segues into a discussion on his company’s work, highlighting the seasonal nature of the business and the industry trends as the year winds down.  Christine Taylor brings a legal perspective to the conversation, detailing her hectic schedule attending state conferences and her active involvement in the outdoor hospitality industry. She offers a personal touch by sharing her family’s re-entry into the business, providing her with firsthand experience of the practical challenges they face, which informs her professional advice. Scott Bahr introduces his expertise in research within the outdoor hospitality and recreation sectors. He underscores the value of monthly research reports that he has been involved with, particularly with KOA, and how these reports are crucial in tracking incidents and identifying trends within the industry. Scott’s focus is on identifying informational gaps within the industry and exploring ways to fill them. Host Brian Searl steers the conversation towards the critical need for robust data and analytics in outdoor hospitality. He notes the sector’s lag in data comprehensiveness compared to other industries like hotels and expresses his hope that the show, MC Hospitality Highlights, can shed light on valuable data that could propel the industry forward. Mike Harrison expands on the theme of data necessity, especially in the context of the increasing institutional capital entering the industry. He points out the investors’ need for detailed, market-driven data and operating metrics to make educated decisions. Mike also sees a role for state tourism associations in enhancing data sourcing, possibly through grants or other initiatives. Scott Bahr concurs with the sentiment of data deficiency in the industry, acknowledging the high demand for feasibility studies and the hurdles in collecting detailed information. He aligns with the general consensus on the panel regarding the need for more granular data. Mark Koep, highlighted that the difficulty in obtaining reliable data is attributed to three main factors: small, family-owned businesses may not have the data or may be unwilling to share it; there’s a lack of data from public parks, which represent a significant portion of the industry; and there isn’t enough historical data to make sound decisions. Despite these challenges, Mark emphasized the necessity of improving data collection for better decision-making in the future. The panel addresses the particular challenges of data collection from smaller, independent operators in the industry. They suggest leveraging data from sources like recreation.gov and state park systems to compile comprehensive reports, indicating a resourceful approach to overcoming these challenges. The final thoughts revolve around creating a Slack channel for industry experts to collaborate more effectively. The conversation ends on a forward-looking note, with plans for future discussions and events that will continue to drive the industry towards data-driven decision-making and growth.
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October 4, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 4th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, broadcast live from Glamping Show Americas, host Brian Searl delved into the surge in popularity of glamping. The show convened a gathering of experts to shed light on its trajectory and the challenges ahead. This episode, presented by Fireside Accounting, offered diverse perspectives on the current state of glamping and its future potential. Brian Searl introduced the central theme: the transformation of outdoor experiences, particularly in the context of a world recovering from the pandemic. Searl’s emphasis was clear – the industry must continually reinvent itself, not just to survive, but to thrive in an increasingly competitive market. Sandy Ellingson, with her background in the RV sector, provided a fascinating take on the intersection of RVs and glamping. She proposed that as these two industries increasingly overlap, collaboration could prove to be a winning strategy. By sharing resources, knowledge, and market insights, both sectors could benefit immensely. Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality dived deep into operational considerations. He painted a vivid picture of the day-to-day challenges of managing glamping sites. From quality control to optimizing guest experiences, Harrison believes that operational efficiency remains the backbone of any successful glamping business. From a legislative standpoint, Cara Csizmadia of CCRVC elucidated on the regulatory maze the industry often finds itself navigating. She stressed that to effectively address policy hurdles and zoning challenges, the industry needs a consolidated and unified front, advocating for its interests. Design and aesthetics, crucial elements of the glamping experience, were eloquently covered by Zach Stoltenberg from Clockwork. He opined that glamping is not just about luxury; it’s about creating a harmonious blend of comfort and a genuine, immersive nature experience. The design ethos, according to him, should revolve around sustainability and authenticity. Zook Cabin’s Melissa Meshey shifted the focus to marketing strategies. She spoke passionately about crafting narratives that resonate with potential clients, sharing the myriad experiences glamping can bring, from starlit dinners to serene mornings amidst nature. Representing the product side of things, Joanna Reimann from Fdomes focused on the tangible aspects. For her, product longevity, innovative design, and the ability of these structures to enhance the overall guest experience are paramount. The digital era’s impact on glamping was explored by Candice McNamara of Staylist. She delved into the evolving dynamics of customer behavior, emphasizing the significance of data analytics, user-friendly online interfaces, and the absolute necessity for glamping businesses to have a robust online footprint. Jacob Barbati, an investment professional, shared that he was notably impressed by the vast range of products and how vendors tailored their offerings to meet ROI expectations, aligning with his investment background. Jacob highlighted the industry’s enthusiasm and the business-centric approach of its participants. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping highlighted challenges with local government regulations, particularly the building department, which is trying to enforce commercial standards on his glamping structures like tents, domes, and container homes. Chris believes that the world is slowly recognizing the glamping industry, and he sees it as the most exciting space in real estate, with many people showing interest in establishing glamping sites.. Rounding up the discussion, Sinan Halic from Ekodome merged the concepts of sustainability and design. He passionately argued that as the world becomes more ecologically conscious, glamping needs to lead the charge by ensuring its offerings are sustainable, both in design and operation. In wrapping up, the consensus was evident. While the horizon looks promising for the glamping industry, its journey forward must be marked by innovation, collaboration, and an unwavering commitment to excellence.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
July 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 8th, 2026

In the July 8, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts explored strategies for thriving in the evolving outdoor hospitality market, emphasizing the success of targeting underserved niches, the practical necessity of grid-tied infrastructure over off-grid setups, and the profitability of pivoting to high-value, curated group retreats.
June 10, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 10th, 2026

The June 10th, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats highlights how outdoor hospitality operators can actively drive occupancy by leveraging targeted social media content, hyper-specific buyer personas, and AI-discoverable local features. The panel also addresses tightening macroeconomic trends, concluding that operators must double down on proactive marketing to capture travelers shifting from costly flights to road trips.
May 13, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 13th, 2026

Hosted by Brian Searl, this episode of MC Fireside Chats featured Jeremy Johnson and Zach Stoltenberg discussing the complexities of dynamic pricing and the industry’s shift toward non-RV accommodations. Meanwhile, special guests Travis Chambers and Joy de Vos highlighted the growing demand for experiential travel by sharing their unique, immersive projects—ranging from cinematic, off-grid micro-resorts to educational, working dairy farms.
April 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 8th, 2026

The April 8th, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry leaders discussing the critical balance between implementing highly intuitive automated tech and preserving the authentic outdoor experience. The panel highlighted actionable strategies for maximizing revenue and tax benefits through premium cabin investments, while navigating upcoming challenges in Class A fire regulations, site-specific architectural design, and ADA accessibility.
March 11, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 11th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led an industry-focused discussion with experts Jayne Cohen, Casey Cochran, Jeremy Johnson, Shawn Verbrugghe, and Serg Mashkov to explore how economic shifts, luxury accommodation trends, and unique experiential programming are redefining the future of outdoor hospitality.
February 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 12th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, Joe Duemig hosts John McMahon of Camp Door County, who shares how his new resort uses “intentional” guest experiences like mushroom foraging, stargazing, and mountain bike trails to build a unique brand identity. The panel, including Casey Cochran and Zach Stoltenberg, discusses how these curated activities and strategic local partnerships drive transient demand and guest loyalty without relying solely on traditional amenities or aggressive price discounting.
January 14, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 14th, 2026

The first Guest Experience episode of MC Fireside Chats in 2026 brought together U.S. and UK industry leaders to examine land use economics, guest segmentation, and how differing markets approach revenue, design, and experience. The panel agreed that future growth depends less on uniform luxury builds and more on aligning amenities, add-on revenue, and immersive, nature-driven experiences with clearly defined guest expectations, supported by smarter use of data.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

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May 15, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – May 15th, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Scott Knepp fills in for regular host Brian Searl. Scott is joined by esteemed colleagues in the RV and outdoor hospitality industry: Greg Emmert, Senior Strategist at Camp Strategy; Jon Adams, owner of Sandusky Milan RV Park; and Steven Kramer, founder of Campground Support. Scott kicks off the episode by thanking Brian Searl for taking a well-deserved vacation and sets the tone for a fun and informative discussion with the guests. Greg Emmert opens the conversation, jokingly acknowledging Scott as a smarter and better-looking version of Brian. Greg expresses excitement about the upcoming discussion with Jon Adams and Steven Kramer. Scott introduces Jon Adams, owner of Sandusky Milan RV Park, and Steven Kramer, who manages a campground and founded Campground Support, a company providing remote support for campgrounds. Both guests share their backgrounds and express enthusiasm for the conversation. Scott initiates a discussion on mobile applications that have proven beneficial in campground management. Greg shares his experience with the OnX app, which he uses for hunting and identifying property boundaries, and the Merlin Bird ID app, which uses AI to identify bird songs. Steven introduces ClickUp, a productivity app he uses to manage tasks and schedules efficiently. Jon emphasizes the importance of clean restrooms in attracting and retaining guests at his park. He shares how investing in clean and well-maintained facilities has been a key factor in the success of Sandusky Milan RV Park. Greg and Steven echo this sentiment, highlighting that clean restrooms are crucial in the hospitality industry. Scott asks Jon about managing and prioritizing various projects at his park. Jon explains how he addresses existing infrastructure issues first and plans projects during the off-season to avoid disruptions. He shares his approach to budgeting and making improvements that enhance guest satisfaction. The conversation shifts to common challenges in campground management, particularly staffing and managing guest expectations. Steven discusses how Campground Support helps address these challenges by providing remote support for phone calls and reservations, allowing campground staff to focus on on-site tasks. Greg introduces the concept of revenue management and dynamic pricing, emphasizing the importance of adjusting rates based on demand and occupancy levels. Jon and Steven share their experiences with dynamic pricing and how it has helped increase revenue and optimize occupancy at their respective parks. As Memorial Day approaches, the guests discuss their preparations for the peak season. Jon talks about organizing events like food trucks, cornhole, and karaoke to enhance the guest experience. Steven mentions the importance of having adequate staffing and addressing any technical challenges to ensure a smooth operation during the busy season. The episode concludes with each guest sharing what they are excited about in the near future. Scott looks forward to a family cruise and celebrating a 10/10/10 Good Sam rating for a property in Alabama. Greg is eager to go birdwatching, taking advantage of the peak migration season. Steven and his wife are excited about their upcoming vacation, while Jon is preparing to celebrate his 10th wedding anniversary. Scott wraps up the episode by thanking the guests for their insights and contributions. He invites listeners to stay tuned for more episodes of MC Fireside Chats, promising more valuable discussions on outdoor hospitality and campground management. The episode ends with a reminder to email show suggestions and to visit Modern Campground for the latest industry news.
Promotional graphic for "MC Fireside Chats" featuring a campfire logo flanked by green sound waves, listing guest speakers for the week on a torn paper design.
April 17, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – April 17th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic conversation unfolded featuring insights from leaders in the outdoor hospitality industry. The session began with Brian introducing the context for the discussion, emphasizing the series’ dedication to exploring real-world experiences and strategies from campground owners and industry experts. Richard Chandler, a seasoned campground owner, shared his unique approach to business, focusing on community engagement over immediate profit. He elaborated on hosting a significant annual music festival that, while not particularly profitable, greatly enhanced community ties and visibility for his campground. Richard’s strategy revolves around providing value and enrichment to the campground experience, which he believes will pay off in the long run in terms of loyalty and reputation. Craig Alsup contributed to the conversation by discussing the transformations he has implemented at his campground. Having purchased a previously failing campground, Craig turned the business around through strategic improvements and active marketing. His efforts have resulted in increased occupancy and revenue, highlighting the potential for success with the right strategies and execution. Bobby Sorden introduced the platform Supplier Spot, designed to connect campground owners with suppliers and facilitate resource trading. This platform serves as a critical tool for improving operational efficiencies and fostering industry connections, demonstrating a significant leap towards modernizing campground operations. Candace McNamara from Staylist provided an overview of the technological advancements available to campground owners. She discussed how their platform could help streamline operations, from reservations to point-of-sale systems, and emphasized the importance of adopting technology to enhance guest experiences and operational efficiency. Greg Emmert, co-founder at Camp Strategy, offered consultancy insights, focusing on the potential for campgrounds to increase revenue by leveraging underutilized assets. Greg’s advice centered on custom solutions that address the specific needs and potential of each campground, advocating for a tailored approach to business improvements. Throughout the discussion, the speakers shared personal anecdotes and strategies, enriching the conversation with practical advice and real-life examples. The importance of community-focused activities was a recurring theme, with Richard detailing his approach to hosting events that, while not immediately profitable, build long-term value for guests and the broader community. Marketing strategies were also a focal point, with Craig discussing how targeted advertising and community engagement helped fill his sites. Bobby’s platform, Supplier Spot, was highlighted as a valuable resource for finding and utilizing suppliers effectively, illustrating the benefits of networked solutions in the industry. Technology’s role in modernizing campground operations was emphasized by Candace, who pointed out the various ways campground owners can integrate systems to enhance efficiency and guest satisfaction. Greg supported this by detailing how consulting can help identify profitable improvements that align with a campground’s unique characteristics and market position. The episode wrapped up with a broader discussion on the financial aspects of running a campground, with Richard candidly sharing his financial strategies and future goals. The conversation also touched on innovative ideas like selling back solar energy, showcasing the diverse and evolving nature of campground management challenges and solutions.
Podcast episode graphic for "MC Fireside Chats" featuring guest names for the March 20th, 2024 show against a backdrop with a campfire motif and sound wave graphics.
March 20, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – March 20th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a diverse panel of outdoor hospitality experts gathered to discuss the evolving landscape of campground and RV park development. The episode featured insights from Candice McNamara, Nate Thompson, Greg Emmert, Tyler Watts, Ed Bridgman, Moriah Abbott, Joe Duemig, and Scott Knepp, each bringing a unique perspective to the table. Candice McNamara, highlighting the importance of choosing the right reservation software, emphasized the multifaceted nature of the industry. Whether through building, buying, or affiliating with brands like Jellystone or KOA, McNamara pointed out the necessity of innovation and the role of technology in connecting with guests. She advocated for waitlisting and proactive communication as tools for building anticipation and engagement even before a park opens. Nate Thompson shared his experience with KOA, focusing on the value of data in making informed decisions about park expansion and development. He discussed the recent acquisition of a Gettysburg PA KOA, illustrating the importance of understanding a property’s potential for expansion and the need for thorough due diligence to uncover any potential issues that could impact development plans. Greg Emmert spoke to the philosophical aspects of campground development, stressing the importance of having a clear vision and story for a park. He argued that every aspect of a campground, from its layout to its operations, should reflect this vision to create a cohesive and compelling guest experience. Tyler Watts, sharing his journey of developing Broad River Campground from scratch, highlighted the learning curves and the importance of adaptability. He discussed the challenges of working with septic systems and the benefits of engaging with the local community and industry peers to learn from their experiences. Ed Bridgman, an expert in RV destination types, emphasized the importance of building the right type of facility for the local market. He cautioned against turning an existing property into something it’s not and underscored the value of understanding the local market to ensure the success of a development project. Moriah Abbott, representing Binghamton Jellystone Park, shared her approach to creating “wow moments” and memories for families. She discussed the park’s focus on catering to the needs of young families and the ongoing expansion efforts to accommodate larger RVs and provide more amenities. Joe Duemig introduced the concept of using mobile apps, like App My Community, for guest engagement and feedback. He highlighted the potential of technology to enhance the guest experience and the importance of gathering data directly from guests to inform development decisions. Scott Knepp discussed the challenges and opportunities of managing properties with varying needs and histories. He emphasized the importance of aligning the physical development of a park with its operational vision and the guest experience it aims to provide. Throughout the discussion, the panelists shared a common theme: the importance of understanding the market, engaging with guests, and leveraging data and technology to inform development decisions. They highlighted the collaborative nature of the outdoor hospitality industry and the value of sharing experiences and learning from one another. The episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive overview of the complexities involved in developing and operating campgrounds and RV parks. Through the insights of the panelists, listeners gained a deeper understanding of the strategic considerations necessary to succeed in the outdoor hospitality industry.
This week, on February 21st, 2024, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 21, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 21st, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the conversation delved into the evolving dynamics of the outdoor hospitality industry, featuring insights from a panel of seasoned experts. The episode brought together Candice McNamara from Staylist, Whitney Scott from Kampgrounds of America (KOA), Joe Duemig from App My Community, and Troy Haney, who shared the poignant story behind Kacie’s Campground. Each guest brought a unique perspective to the table, discussing the integration of technology in campgrounds, the importance of adapting to seasonal changes, and the personal motivations behind campground operations. Brian Searl, the founder and CEO of Insider Perks, facilitated the discussion, focusing on how campgrounds can succeed by embracing innovation and understanding the needs of their guests. The episode highlighted the significance of campground owners focusing on creating memorable experiences for their guests, leveraging technology to enhance operational efficiency, and the growing trend of winter camping. Whitney Scott, shared her insights on the increasing interest in winter camping and how campgrounds can market their availability during the colder months. She emphasized the need for campgrounds to adapt their amenities for winter campers and discussed the trend of campers booking their spots earlier to secure their preferred camping holidays. Whitney also touched upon the importance of understanding consumer behavior and adapting marketing strategies to meet the evolving demands of campers. Candice McNamara spoke about the generational handoff of campground properties to millennials and the adoption of new technologies in campground management. She highlighted the use of intuitive software for operations and reservations, pointing out the trend towards creating memorable experiences for campers. Candice also discussed the importance of campgrounds adapting to new technologies and big conversations around marketing and automation. Joe Duemig discussed the role of mobile apps in enhancing guest engagement and communication within campgrounds. He highlighted the shift towards automation and the desire for a seamless camping experience, emphasizing the importance of technology in meeting the expectations of modern campers. Troy Haney shared a personal and touching story behind the creation of Kacie’s Campground, emphasizing the importance of creating a space that honors memories while providing a unique camping experience. He discussed the challenges and rewards of developing a campground from a previously industrial site, highlighting the transformation process and the vision behind Kacie’s Campground. The panel also explored the concept of resort-like campgrounds, discussing how technology, such as RFID bands and online ordering systems, can elevate the camping experience to resemble that of a resort. The conversation underscored the importance of setting and exceeding guest expectations to achieve high satisfaction ratings. The discussion touched upon the impact of weather on booking trends, the importance of flexible cancellation policies, and the potential for campgrounds to offer storage options during the off-season to generate additional revenue. The experts agreed on the need for campgrounds to continuously innovate and adapt to changing consumer expectations. Brian and the guests also delved into the significance of leveraging data and insights to make informed decisions about campground operations and marketing strategies. They discussed the balance between attracting new guests and retaining loyal customers, emphasizing the importance of understanding and catering to the diverse needs of campers. The conversation highlighted the collaborative nature of the outdoor hospitality industry, with each expert sharing their experiences and lessons learned. The panelists underscored the value of sharing knowledge and best practices to drive the industry forward. The episode of MC Fireside Chats offered a comprehensive overview of the challenges and opportunities facing the outdoor hospitality industry. Through the insights of Candice McNamara, Whitney Scott, Joe Duemig, and Troy Haney, listeners gained a deeper understanding of the importance of innovation, guest experience, and the personal stories that shape the world of camping and outdoor hospitality.
On January 17th, 2024, during this week's MC Fireside Chats, we were joined by Greece concert pass.
January 17, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 17th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, a diverse panel of outdoor hospitality experts gathered to share their insights and experiences in the industry. The episode, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, featured Kaylee Pace, co-owner of Big Tex Campgrounds; Marcia Galvin, President of the Northeast Campground Association’s Board of Directors and part of Normandy Farms Campground; and Greg Emmert, Senior Consultant at Camp Strategy. The discussion offered a rich exploration of various aspects of campground management and the evolving trends in the outdoor hospitality sector. Brian Searl opened the episode by introducing the show and its focus on conversations with industry leaders. He set the stage for an engaging discussion, highlighting the importance of such dialogues in understanding and navigating the complexities of the outdoor hospitality industry. His introduction underscored the show’s commitment to providing valuable insights for business success in this sector. Kaylee Pace shared her unique journey in establishing Big Tex Campgrounds with her husband. Her narrative was a testament to the challenges and rewards of building a campground from the ground up. Kaylee’s personal experience of living in an RV while attending college and raising her daughter provided a relatable and inspiring perspective. She emphasized the importance of understanding the needs and experiences of campground guests, drawing from her own experiences in RV living. Marcia Galvin brought a wealth of experience to the discussion, sharing the history and evolution of Normandy Farms Campground. Her insights into maintaining a successful, long-standing family campground were particularly enlightening. Marcia discussed the significance of cleanliness, guest service, and the critical role of family involvement in the business. Her perspective highlighted the importance of tradition and innovation in sustaining a successful campground. Greg Emmert’s contribution centered around the challenges and considerations in running and transitioning campgrounds, especially from a generational perspective. His experience as part of a generational campground provided a unique viewpoint on the complexities involved in such transitions. Greg’s emphasis on the importance of early planning for campground succession and understanding the nuances of generational changes offered valuable advice for campground owners. The conversation then shifted to the changing demographics at campgrounds, a topic introduced by Kaylee Pace. She observed an increase in guests seeking affordable housing options and long-term stays, reflecting a broader trend in the industry. This shift towards more long-term and diverse demographics presents both challenges and opportunities for campground owners, as they adapt to meet these changing needs. Marcia Galvin responded to Kaylee’s observations by discussing the work done on understanding generational differences within her staff at Normandy Farms. She highlighted the importance of training and involving staff in understanding these generational shifts. Marcia’s approach to managing a diverse workforce and catering to a changing customer base provided practical insights into effective campground management. Greg Emmert then discussed the importance of creating unique experiences at campgrounds. He advised owners to identify their unique “flavor” and develop experiences that resonate with their target audience. Greg’s emphasis on conservation and nature-based activities, which he successfully implemented at his own campground, underscored the growing trend towards simpler, nature-focused camping experiences. The panel also explored the importance of adapting to changing customer preferences, focusing on experiences over material amenities. There was a consensus on the growing trend towards simpler, nature-focused camping experiences, with less emphasis on costly amenities. The discussion highlighted the significance of understanding and catering to different generational needs and preferences in the campground industry. Kaylee Pace shared a poignant reflection on her past experiences and how they shaped her approach to campground management. Her story of adapting to RV living as a necessity due to economic constraints, and then turning that experience into a successful business venture, was both inspiring and instructive. It highlighted the resilience and adaptability required in the outdoor hospitality industry. Marcia Galvin spoke about the upcoming NCA conference, detailing the educational sessions and speakers planned. She emphasized the value of continuous learning and adapting to industry changes. Marcia’s discussion about the conference underscored the importance of industry events in fostering knowledge sharing and professional development. Greg Emmert discussed his plans to attend various industry conferences and the value of networking and learning from peers. He highlighted the importance of building a sense of community among campground owners and sharing resources and experiences. Greg’s perspective on the value of industry conferences in professional growth and community building was a key takeaway from the discussion. The episode concluded with a sense of appreciation for the diverse experiences and knowledge shared, emphasizing the dynamic and collaborative nature of the outdoor hospitality industry. The panelists’ insights provided a comprehensive view of different aspects of campground management and ownership, offering valuable lessons for those in the industry. The discussion was a testament to the importance of community, adaptability, and customer understanding in the success of outdoor hospitality businesses.
MC Fireside Chats welcomed guest Steve Roberts for an engaging session this week.
December 20, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – December 20th, 2023

In the special episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a panel of outdoor hospitality experts gathered to discuss their experiences and future plans. The panel included Ali and Eric Rasmussen from Spacious Skies Campgrounds, Joann Delvescio from the New Jersey Campground Owners And Outdoor Lodging Association, Joshua Turner from Blackstrap Glamping Resort, Steve Rappleyea from Drivehome RV, and Greg Emmert, Co-founder and Senior Consultant at Camp Strategy. Ali and Eric Rasmussen shared insights into their journey with Spacious Skies Campgrounds. They emphasized their focus on operations and enhancing the guest experience across their campgrounds. The Rasmussens discussed the importance of brand development and market presence. A significant new hire, a Director of Operations, was highlighted as a key step in their strategic growth. They also reflected on the sacrifices made in their personal lives for the business and expressed a desire to balance family time more effectively in the coming year. Joann Delvescio provided an overview of the camping industry in New Jersey. She highlighted the strong demand for seasonal sites and the impact of weather on camping trends. Delvescio mentioned their active participation in consumer shows and the importance of these events in driving interest and reservations for New Jersey campgrounds. She also touched upon the regulatory challenges in New Jersey and the efforts to support campground owners in navigating these challenges. Joshua Turner from Blackstrap Glamping Resort discussed his experience building the resort and his plans for the upcoming year. He emphasized the learning curve involved in transitioning from construction to operation. Turner expressed his ambition to create unique guest packages and experiences, aiming to position Blackstrap as a top destination in Canada. He also mentioned managing the growth of his other business ventures, including a tiki bar and a clothing line. Steve Rappleyea shared his journey with Drivehome RV, focusing on the challenges and opportunities of managing a rapidly growing RV rental business. He discussed the importance of setting customer expectations, especially for first-time RV users. Rappleyea also shared his goal of retiring from his day job to focus full-time on RV rentals, highlighting the potential of the rental market in the context of changing RV sales trends. Greg Emmert spoke about his transition from working with smaller clients to forming Camp Strategy with Jeff Hoffman. He emphasized their focus on providing consulting services to individual owners or smaller groups of parks, steering clear of large-scale management. Emmert also shared his personal and professional resolutions for the coming year, including promoting the importance of conservation in campgrounds. Each guest shared their New Year’s resolutions, reflecting a mix of personal and professional goals. These resolutions ranged from improving health and work-life balance to specific business objectives like expanding services, enhancing operational efficiency, and achieving recognition in the industry. The episode highlighted the diverse challenges and opportunities within the outdoor hospitality industry. The panelists’ experiences underscored the importance of adapting to market demands, focusing on guest experiences, and the need for continuous learning and improvement. The discussion also touched upon the importance of data in understanding industry trends and making informed decisions. Brian Searl shared plans to explore new methods of data collection and analysis to provide deeper insights into campground operations and market dynamics. Overall, the episode of MC Fireside Chats offered valuable perspectives from various corners of the outdoor hospitality industry. The panelists’ stories and plans for 2024 provided a glimpse into the ongoing evolution of the camping and RV industry, highlighting the need for innovation, adaptability, and a focus on quality guest experiences.
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November 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 15th, 2023

On November 15th, the MC Fireside Chats episode was streamed live from the KOA Convention & Expo in Las Vegas. Host Brian Searl was joined by a notable lineup from Kampgrounds of America, Inc. (KOA), including Toby O’Rourke, President & CEO; Kimberly Wootton, Vice President of Commercial Strategy; and Cole Reinhardt, Executive Director of Digital Strategy & Transformation. The panel also welcomed Marc Peterson, Owner of Paris Landing/Kentucky Lake KOA Holiday, and Nate Thompson, Partner at KCN Campgrounds. This gathering brought together a diverse group of professionals from the outdoor hospitality industry. Toby O’Rourke highlighted the convention’s high attendance and the exciting activities planned, including a Beatles-themed Cirque du Soleil show. She emphasized KOA’s focus on providing tools and support for campground businesses and attracting new campers. A significant announcement was the achievement of a 70 Net Promoter Score (NPS), indicating high customer satisfaction and loyalty. Kimberly Wootteon discussed KOA’s hands-on approach with franchisees, emphasizing the importance of relationships and understanding individual franchisee goals. She highlighted the focus on local marketing, revenue management, business development, and retail to drive camper nights and revenue growth. Cole Reinhardt spoke about KOA’s commitment to technology and innovation, mentioning his role in keeping the company at the forefront of technological advancements. He stressed the importance of research and staying updated with emerging technologies. Franchise owners Angie and David Bower from Fancy Gap KOA shared their enthusiasm for the convention and the support they receive from KOA. They appreciated the focus on relationships and the practical tools provided by KOA, like new uniforms for maintenance staff, which help them care for their team like family. Cam Bowen and Nate Thompson discussed the value of the KOA franchise network, emphasizing the importance of innovation and the support they receive from KOA corporate. They highlighted the significance of relationships and the exchange of ideas at the convention. Marc Peterson from Paris Landing, Kentucky Lake KOA, expressed his passion for the KOA brand and the value of being part of the franchise. He shared his positive experiences with KOA’s franchise advisory committee and the benefits of being involved in the KOA community. Toby O’Rourke closed the discussion by emphasizing KOA’s commitment to innovation and connection within the franchise network. She looked forward to the Idea Exchange event, where new ideas are shared to drive action at campgrounds. Her goal was to ensure every franchisee felt supported and connected to the brand. Overall, the episode was a comprehensive overview of the various facets of KOA’s operations and strategy. From high-level corporate strategies to individual campground operations, the discussion illuminated the diverse components that make up the successful KOA ecosystem. Each guest brought their unique experiences and insights, painting a holistic picture of the outdoor hospitality industry as seen through the lens of KOA.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats on October 18th, 2023.
October 18, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 18th, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks initiated a rich discussion focusing on Campground Hunters, marking the third episode dedicated to this theme. He welcomed distinguished guests: Candice from Staylist, Scott Knepp from IVEE Management Group, Gwynn from Care Camps, and Erin Thiem from In Town Campground and Erin Thiem from Inn Town Campground Gwynn shed light on the noble cause of Care Camps, elucidating its mission to support children with cancer. As Care Camps prepares to celebrate its 40th anniversary, she acknowledged the continuous support it has garnered from the campground and RV industry. Meanwhile, Erin Thiem narrated her unique journey of establishing Inn Town Campground in Northern California. She accentuated the essence of effective storytelling and branding in crafting an inviting ambiance for customers. Her efforts haven’t gone unnoticed, as her campground recently clinched the title of “USA Today 10 Best RV Park Campground.” Mark and Melanie took the audience through the transformative journey of Willow Lake Campground in Ontario. Their narrative emphasised fostering community relationships and continuously rejuvenating the campground’s image in alignment with guest feedback. On the other side of the spectrum, Scott Neff from IVEE Management Group shared his managerial perspective, underscoring the significance of optimising guest experience and ensuring a robust return on investment. The conversation was interwoven with themes of leveraging data for strategic decisions, understanding operational challenges, and the pivotal role of community building in campgrounds. A special segment was dedicated to Care Camps, highlighting its origin as a grassroots effort by KOA campground owners. Today, Care Camps stands tall, financing over 120 camps with diverse programs, significantly impacting thousands of children and families. In a heartwarming video segment, individuals named Ian, Ben, and Abby recounted their personal cancer battles and the solace they found in attending the camps. They termed their experiences as “happiness medicine,” emphasizing the camps’ role in providing a haven where children feel accepted and cherished, coining the term “camp magic” to describe this unique aura. The post-video dialogue was emotionally charged. Brian and Scott, deeply moved, reinforced the importance of Care Camps. Gwynn expressed gratitude for showcasing the video, underlining the mission and profound impact of Care Camps. Candice resonated with the cause, suggesting technological integrations to facilitate donations. Brian and Gwynn then delved into enhancing guest experiences in tandem with supporting Care Camps, emphasizing the role of awareness in their mission. Brian spotlighted the fundraising milestones achieved at the KOA auction for Care Camps. He also expressed his intent to utilize any unsold inventory on Modern Campground to promote Care Camps. Gwynn acknowledged the trials faced by Care Camps in recent times but remained steadfast in her commitment to the cause. Erin, Mark, and Melanie directed listeners to their respective campground websites. Gwynn’s final note was an invitation to engage with Care Camps on social media and to stay updated through their monthly newsletters. The episode culminated in a wave of gratitude and positive sentiments.
On September 20th, 2023, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Jennifer Scott as our guest for this week's rescue conversation.
September 20, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 20th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searle of Insider Perks, industry luminaries convened to dive into the rapidly shifting camping trends. Among the standout contributors was Amy Bashor, who introduced “Standing Pines,” an upscale RV resort destined to become a hallmark destination in Hartsville, South Carolina by 2024. Her ambitious project, with its promise of a luxury camping experience, indicates the direction in which the industry might be heading. Joe Duemig discussed the features of “App My Community”, shedding light on the benefits of specialized campground apps. Whitney Scott of KOA shared compelling data that reflected emerging camping behaviors, highlighting a KOA report showing 73% camper activity during Labor Day and an increasing preference for winter camping. Scott Janney then presented “Magazine Jukebox,” a cutting-edge digital entertainment platform tailor-made for commercial venues, blending video games, magazines, and trivia, all effortlessly accessible via a QR code scan. Candice McNamara showcased “Staylist”, a property management software that guarantees seamless integration across diverse platforms. She further enhanced her contribution by sharing personal anecdotes from her RV adventures during her tenure at Amazon. A salient part of the dialogue centered on the KOA report, which underscored the impacts of unpredictable weather events like wildfires and hurricanes on traditional camping bookings. The trend indicates campers’ growing tendency towards last-minute bookings in light of the unpredictable climate shifts. Brian shared his personal brushes with wildfires in Lake Shuswap, BC, underscoring the importance of adaptability in booking frameworks. Candace, with her insights, proposed potential software solutions for such climate-driven challenges, emphasizing options like weather-specific insurance and the need for clear, flexible cancellation policies. Recognizing opportunities amidst adversity, it was highlighted how campgrounds can serve communities post-disasters, such as by accommodating emergency workers. With occurrences like California wildfires, previously seen as localized issues, now emerging as more widespread concerns, campgrounds are increasingly devising expansive emergency response strategies. Scott Janney further elucidated the relevance of “Magazine Jukebox” in campgrounds. Catering to diverse age groups, the platform ensures an uninterrupted reading experience, especially beneficial during uncooperative weather conditions. The platform has been received warmly, with feedback suggesting it significantly elevates the guest experience, offering campgrounds an added advantage. In conclusion, the camping industry is undergoing a profound transformation, driven by innovative ventures, shifting climate patterns, and evolving customer preferences. These insightful discussions on MC Fireside Chats underscore the industry’s resilience, adaptability, and commitment to continually enhancing the camping experience for enthusiasts worldwide.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

October 22, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 22nd, 2025

The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, delved into Marketing, AI, and Technology in outdoor hospitality with guests Greg Emmert, Matt Whitermore, and Brent Parker. They concluded that AI’s most effective role is to be “invisible” to the guest, acting as a force multiplier to streamline operations and enable hyper-personalized service, ultimately enhancing the human experience and allowing guests to disconnect faster once they arrive.
September 24, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – September 24th, 2025

The September 24th episode of MC Fireside Chats covered the rapid acceleration of AI and robotics, emphasizing that outdoor hospitality operators must adopt seamless access control and localized data management to meet rising guest expectations and remain competitive in a rapidly changing industry.
August 27, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – August 27th, 2025

In an episode of MC Fireside Chats focused on marketing, AI, and technology, panelists Brian Searl, Cara Csizmadia, Ravi Parish, Nate Taylor, and Greg Emmert discussed how to balance the integration of new technologies with the crucial need for authenticity and human connection to build trust and ensure the long-term success of businesses in the outdoor hospitality industry.
July 23, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 23rd, 2025

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks explores the intersection of marketing, AI, and the campground industry. He’s joined by recurring guests Mychele Bisson of Bison Peak Ventures and Kurtis Wilkins of Rjourney, along with special guests Jeremy Johnson, owner of Kona Hills Campground, and Kieron Wilde of First Nature and Fur Haven. Brian opens the show by welcoming Mychele, who was initially delayed in joining. He then sets the stage by highlighting the show’s focus on marketing and AI, noting the absence of regular guest Greg Emmert due to client commitments. Brian proceeds to introduce Kurtis and Mychele, jokingly stumbling over Mychele’s last name, “Bisson,” which leads to a lighthearted discussion about the pronunciation of French words and Brian’s preference for German. Mychele echoes his sentiment, finding French pronunciation “snotty.” Despite the playful jabs, all agree that French people are “beautiful.” Kurtis Wilkins of Rjourney, who manages and owns 43 campgrounds, speaks first, noting his company’s presence in the industry since 2017. Mychele Bisson then introduces herself as a relative newcomer, having owned six campgrounds from Alaska to Florida for almost two years, and actively growing her portfolio. Brian teases Mychele about potentially owning 800 parks in 16 years, attributing future growth to AI’s impact on systems. Jeremy Johnson, the owner of Kona Hills Campground in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, shares his five-year journey of permitting and entitlements to open his first 80-acre campground with 40 rustic tent camping sites on Lake Superior. He explains that his background in residential real estate investing, coupled with rising housing prices in Marquette, led him to pivot to campgrounds. Jeremy initially envisioned higher-end glamping with cabins but shifted to rustic tent and car camping due to Michigan’s state-level campground licensing requirements for more than two units for short-term stays. He emphasizes the desire to maintain immersion in nature while mindfully adding accommodations. He also shares his positive experiences with car campers, dispelling stereotypes about them being irresponsible, and notes the initial resistance from the local community who feared “homeless people.” Jeremy highlights the inherent demand for his campground due to its proximity to Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore and the city of Marquette, both tourism hubs. He exclusively uses direct bookings through Park for reservations, having delisted from Hipcamp due to backend difficulties and communication challenges with self-service operations. Kieron Wilde, owner of First Nature, a destination management company and tour operator for the West Coast of North America, and Fur Haven, a glamping setup, discusses his 18 years in the industry. He explains that First Nature packages experiences with accommodations and attractions, often selling to tour operators. Kieron also shares his personal journey of relocating to the Columbia River Gorge and the permitting challenges he faced with his Fur Haven project, eventually finding a previously permitted Thousand Trails property. His vision for Fur Haven focuses on the mobility of its A-frame units, allowing them to be relocated seasonally to meet demand for events like concerts or large gatherings. Kieron elaborates on the diverse experiences First Nature offers in the Pacific Northwest, ranging from hiking and whitewater rafting to wine country tours and world-class skiing, emphasizing unique, high-level, and custom private experiences. He also highlights his company’s commitment to sustainability and regenerative tourism. The conversation then shifts to the future of the campground industry, particularly the overlooked opportunity for enhancing guest experiences. Mychele expresses her appreciation for the diversity within the industry, noting how different approaches, like Jeremy’s rustic camping or Kieron’s curated experiences, all thrive. She shares an example of her Alaska park, which, despite appearing like a “parking lot,” serves as a base for guests to explore the surrounding natural beauty of Valdez, leading to community-building events like fish fries. Jeremy elaborates on his future plans for Kona Hills, including developing an old rock quarry for ice climbing and leveraging its proximity to extensive mountain biking trails, drawing inspiration from Bentonville’s success. Kurtis chimes in, reinforcing the idea of unique experiences for each Rjourney campground and jokingly blames his unusual quietness on allergies and nearby wildfires in Washington. The discussion then pivots to the impact of AI on marketing and the industry. Brian introduces the new ChatGPT agent, which can perform actions like booking itineraries and checking calendars by connecting to personal data, calling it just the “beginning.” He then mentions Perplexity’s new browser, which runs locally on a computer, emphasizing that the future will involve AI making decisions based on website content without human interaction. Kurtis envisions a future where websites communicate via robust APIs with AI agents, facilitating bookings and reservations. Mychele shares her experience with a prop-AI business that uses AI for cold calling and lead generation, and an AI system called Manus that can book entire trips based on detailed user preferences. She stresses the importance of adapting to AI, noting that “mom and pop” campground owners who resist will be left behind. The panelists discuss the rapid pace of AI development, with Kurtis noting how quickly new technologies become “obsolete.” Mychele highlights the challenge of balancing traditional customer service with AI-driven efficiencies, believing that AI can free up staff to focus on human-centric customer service. Brian plays devil’s advocate, suggesting that even a robot could provide a “human experience” by fulfilling guest needs. The conversation touches on the broader societal implications of AI, including job displacement and the growing wealth gap. They express concern about the lack of public discourse on these issues and the rapid approach of “super-intelligence.” Mychele emphasizes the need for businesses to adapt to AI-driven search and booking methods to remain competitive. The episode concludes with Brian, Mychele, and Kurtis discussing the accelerating pace of AI development and its profound impact on all aspects of life. They muse about a future where humanoid robots could be commonplace and even become integrated into personal relationships. Mychele stresses that businesses must embrace AI to stay relevant, and Kurtis and Brian acknowledge the difficulty of keeping up with the rapid changes. Brian, acknowledging the extended discussion, wraps up the show by thanking his guests and promoting his other podcast, “Outwired,” which will continue the conversation on the future of campgrounds.
June 25, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – June 25th, 2025

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, a new focus for the Week 4 show was introduced, shifting away from the RV industry to concentrate on marketing, AI, and technology. Host Brian Searl, CEO of Insider Perks and Modern Campground, opened the show by explaining this new direction and the reshuffling of some recurring guests. He noted that Phil from RVDA of America and Eleonore from RVDA of Canada would now appear on the Week 1 show, which covers data, trends, and analytics. Greg Emmert, the founder of Verio Outdoor Hospitality Consulting, was introduced by Brian, who joked that he was kept on the panel out of pity. Greg then introduced himself and his consulting firm, which helps clients build their operations “strategically and with soul.” He and Brian also made light of the new website Brian’s team is building for his company. Kurtis Wilkins, a new recurring guest from Rjourney RV Resorts and Advanced Outdoor Management, was welcomed to the show. He clarified that he goes by “Kurtis” professionally to distinguish himself from another “Kurtis” in his office. He explained that his company has 41 branded locations and over 12,000 RV pads, with a focus on front-end sales and the monetization of camping. Sam Dagenhard, the founder and CEO of Campfire Ranch, was introduced as a special guest. He described his company as an outdoor hospitality brand based in Gunnison, Colorado, which is building a collection of properties with a focus on “subscale” locations of 30 rooms or less. He said this allows for a high-touch, intimate experience where they can know guests by name. He also stated that his company offers a range of experiences from camping to backcountry trips, always located near prime outdoor recreation spots. Sam later revealed that he grew up RVing and camping and began putting his ideas on paper after moving to Los Angeles, where he found himself limited by state park and national forest campgrounds. He started organizing large, informal group camping trips to places like Joshua Tree, which inspired him to design an ideal campground for his generation. He took a leap in 2019, leaving his job in sports marketing at Red Bull to find his first location, intending to build a brand that would eventually span coast to coast and offer a unique, one-of-a-kind experience. The discussion began with a topic brought up by Kurtis Wilkins, who spoke about the transition from traditional SEO to what his team is calling “AEO,” or AI Engine Optimization. He noted that 13% of search traffic had recently been diverted away from Google, which is a significant change being discussed in many marketing departments. Brian Searl responded by sharing his belief that traditional SEO is “dead” because as AI gets smarter, it will be impossible to “trick” Google. He argued that the new focus should be on providing valuable content that AI systems can easily understand. He then asked Sam Dagenhard about his recent experience with a website redesign and SEO report. Sam said that in the beginning, SEO was all about inserting keywords into copy, which felt “wonky.” He has now learned that other factors like speed and security also play a role. He explained that his company is still young, and their initial website on Squarespace was a prototype for a 17-site campground where SEO happened “by accident.” As his company has grown, they are now transitioning to a more robust website and are in the copywriting phase. He found it interesting to see how much AI was already picking up about his business during a brand discovery audit. He believes it is crucial for his internal team to write the website copy to maintain the authentic, high-touch relationship they have with guests. Kurtis Wilkins agreed with Sam’s starting point, acknowledging that his experience with SEO 10 years ago was the same. He said that good SEO has always been about providing what Google wants and doing it in a structured way. He emphasized the importance of localized content and using backlinks from community groups like the Boy Scouts to build relevance. He noted that his current focus is on creating structured, targeted information, localized to the community and the user searching for it, regardless of their location. He expressed a desire to hear more from Brian on this. Greg Emmert offered a historical perspective on SEO, recalling his first website when people used Yahoo and a “web crawler” for search results. He admitted that he learned little about SEO and was more focused on daily operations like plunging toilets. He stated that his new website, built by Brian’s team, is being tailored for “LLM” (Large Language Model) searches, which he called “AEO,” a term he admitted to stealing from Kurtis. He explained that he is now focused on conversational, narrative-style writing that sounds like he is speaking, which he sees as the future of search. He also mentioned his recent experience with a different consulting company, noting how quickly the SEO landscape has changed in just two years. Brian Searl added to the discussion, emphasizing that everyday people don’t need to be SEO experts but should know enough to ask the right questions of their marketing partners. He suggested using tools like ChatGPT to learn the basics. He reinforced the idea that Google has always wanted websites to write for the user, and providing valuable, easy-to-understand content is key. He cited an example of a client’s property in Arizona, Verde Ranch RV Resort, where a page about bicycle rentals could help them win search queries from users and AI systems looking for that specific amenity in the area. He stressed that a page dedicated to a specific offering is far more powerful than a simple bullet point on an amenities list. Kurtis Wilkins agreed with Brian’s point about providing value, stating that Google’s core function is to be a good recommender for its users. He also mentioned that RV parks are “many businesses in one business,” and each component, from waterparks to gift shops, needs to be optimized for search. He added that “social proof” from reviews and listings also plays an increasingly important role. Brian agreed, highlighting that brand building, press releases, and social media conversations are crucial signals that AI uses to understand a business. Brian then invited Sam to elaborate on how Campfire Ranch got started. Sam explained his lifelong love for the outdoors, starting with RVing with his family. After moving to LA for a career in sports marketing with Red Bull, he felt a gap in the market for a campground designed for his generation. He started organizing group camping trips where he would rent and set up all the gear for friends, realizing the barrier to entry for camping was the equipment itself. This led to his business model, which focuses on providing gear and equipment. He also emphasized the importance of building community, noting he loves when guests line up for the bathroom because it encourages them to talk and make friends. He said that this high-touch approach has also led to partnerships with manufacturers like North Face who provide gear for rentals. He stated that Campfire Ranch is an “RV-free” campground, focusing on tent, car, and van camping. Greg Emmert praised Sam’s business model, calling it “underserved” and noting that car camping is on the rise. He commended Sam’s courage in creating a business that is different from the typical RV park model. Kurtis Wilkins added that while he loves tent campers, many local governments and municipalities prevent RV parks from offering tent camping or “van camping.” Sam replied that Campfire Ranch’s walk-in tent sites are priced at a premium because they offer the best views, proving that if you cater to tent campers and make them feel important, they will come. He said that this intentional design choice comes from understanding what customers want and that it is a great reality check against assumptions. Brian Searl concluded the main discussion by highlighting the difference between a business owner and an entrepreneur, noting the courage it takes to pursue a niche like Sam has. With the hour approaching, the panelists prepared to wrap up. Brian extended an invitation to Sam to become a recurring guest on the show, which Sam accepted. The show ended with Brian encouraging the audience to connect with Sam at Campfire Ranch, Kurtis at Rjourney, and Greg at his new consulting company, Verio. The group signed off, mentioning the upcoming Outwired podcast to discuss credit card fraud and heat safety.
May 28, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – May 28th, 2025

On May 28th, 2025, another insightful episode of MC Fireside Chats unfolded, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks and Modern Campground. This particular session was dedicated to the RV industry and outdoor recreation, bringing together a panel of recurring experts and special guests to dissect current trends, share operational experiences, and forecast future developments. Brian warmly welcomed the audience and introduced the day’s lineup, setting the stage for a comprehensive discussion that spanned from high-level industry statistics to on-the-ground business strategies. The episode featured its regular contributors from the RV Dealers Association (RVDA): Eleonore Hamm, President of RVDA of Canada, and Phil Ingrassia, President of RVDA of the US. Eleonore outlined her association’s focus on education, advocacy, and ensuring the profitability and sustainability of Canadian RV dealers. Phil echoed these sentiments, highlighting the US RVDA’s mission to support dealers and collaborate with manufacturers and suppliers on initiatives like the Go RVing program, which promotes the RV lifestyle in their respective countries. Their presence provided a crucial overview of the North American RV market landscape. Joining the seasoned regulars were two special guests making significant waves in their local outdoor hospitality sectors. Ilia Smirnov, owner of Cape Fear River Adventures and the Cozy Heron Glamping Resort, was introduced first. Located near Raleigh, North Carolina, Ilia’s businesses offer a unique blend of river-based activities and distinctive glamping accommodations. Following Ilia, Lisa Green, the General Manager of the Decatur Wheeler Lake KOA Campground in Alabama, shared her experiences. Lisa described her campground as an activity-driven destination, emphasizing her journey into the industry and the strategies she has employed. The discussion kicked off with an industry update from Phil Ingrassia and Eleonore Hamm. Phil shared that April’s wholesale RV shipments in the US saw a pleasant 4% increase compared to the previous year, though he noted that retail sales for April were not yet available and had been lagging slightly, with March retail sales down about 14% year-over-year, indicating an inventory build-up as dealers prepared for the season. He acknowledged that consumer sentiment, influenced by job prospects, the stock market, savings, and gas prices, plays a significant role in RV sales, predicting that the year would likely end up similar to the last. Eleonore Hamm provided the Canadian perspective, noting a similar trend where wholesale shipments outpaced retail sales. She explained that Canadian dealers had been rapidly building inventory due to concerns about tariffs and counter-tariffs, particularly the 25% counter-tariff on US-manufactured motorhomes that came into effect on April 9th, though towables were fortunately excluded. This uncertainty led to a cautious approach from dealers, with new unit sales down about 10% year-over-year by the end of March. Eleonore elaborated on the complexities of these tariffs, linked to HS codes where motorhomes are classified under automotive, and mentioned ongoing advocacy efforts to government to remove motorhomes from this tariff. Both Phil and Eleonore agreed that the late spring and early summer period is crucial for sales volume. Shifting to consumer behavior, Brian Searl inquired about RV ownership and usage. Phil Ingrassia revealed that data on RVs in operation, a proprietary number, has been growing consistently, even through the pandemic and beyond. He estimated that the number of RVs in operation has increased from around 3.5 million in 2010 to over 6.5 million currently. This indicates that people are holding onto their RVs and renewing registrations. He also mentioned that Go RVing research shows many pandemic buyers have developed a fondness for RV travel and intend to continue, debunking some fears of a mass exodus from the lifestyle. Approximately 1.5 million RVs were sold in North America during the pandemic peak, a significant boost to the installed base. The conversation then turned to Ilia Smirnov, who detailed his entrepreneurial journey. Cape Fear River Adventures, his flagship company, has been operating for 14 years, primarily offering self-guided canoe, kayak, paddleboard rentals, and lazy river tubing on the flat portions of the Cape Fear River. He humorously recounted finding the initial business for sale on Craigslist in 2012. The success of the river adventures paved the way for the Cozy Heron Glamping Resort, now in its third year. Ilia explained that his interest in creating a multi-day destination and the challenge of building on a floodplain led him to discover Conestoga wagons at a trade show, which became the unique lodging solution for his resort, offering a “bridge experience” for those new to the outdoors with comforts like AC and king-size beds. Lisa Green then shared her experiences since becoming the General Manager of the Decatur Wheeler Lake KOA in July of the previous year, a challenging start given her background was in food and beverage, not campground management. She identified that a primary hurdle was rebuilding relationships with staff and the community due to a lack of consistent, customer-service-oriented leadership prior to her arrival. Lisa emphasized the importance of community support and generating auxiliary income. She significantly increased local engagement, noting that previously only 2% of visitors were local, a number she has drastically improved. A key initiative was planning a large music festival featuring only local bands and vendors, which successfully sold out the entire campground well in advance and provided crucial off-season income. The discussion broadened to the importance of marketing and activities in attracting and retaining guests. Eleonore Hamm admitted that it wouldn’t typically occur to her to visit a campground for activities if she wasn’t camping there, highlighting a potential marketing gap. Lisa Green stressed that campgrounds need to offer more activities to engage the 12 to 18-year-old demographic, ensuring they develop positive camping memories that could lead them to become future RV buyers and enthusiasts. Phil Ingrassia concurred, noting that industry research consistently shows individuals who camped as children are significantly more predisposed to engage in RVing later in life, underscoring the value of investing in youth-focused programs and creating “sticky” outdoor experiences. As the episode drew to a close, the guests offered their final thoughts. Lisa Green encouraged everyone to “enjoy a day outdoors, you’ll remember it.” Ilia Smirnov expressed his continued commitment to finding new ways to get people outside and shared that his businesses can be found online at capefearadventures.com. Eleonore Hamm and Phil Ingrassia thanked Brian for the opportunity to hear from campground operators, finding the insights complementary to their perspectives from the RV dealer side. Brian Searl concluded the show, thanking all his guests for the rich conversation and promoting an upcoming podcast, “Outwired,” where he would delve deeper into data trends and consumer niches in the outdoor hospitality sector with Scott Bahr.
April 23, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 23rd, 2025

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl convened a panel of industry leaders and experts to explore the multifaceted dynamics of the RV and outdoor recreation sectors. The discussion featured recurring guests Eleonore Hamm from RVDA of Canada, Phil Ingrassia representing RVDA, and Greg Emmert, alongside special guest Eva Mitic, providing a range of perspectives on the current state and future direction of the industry. The episode addressed key issues such as the potential impact of tariffs, the shifting landscape of consumer behavior, and the role of innovation in driving the industry forward. The conversation began with a focus on the looming threat of tariffs and their potential repercussions for the RV industry. Eleonore Hamm provided insights into the Canadian perspective, explaining RVDA of Canada’s efforts to inform its members about the potential impact of counter tariff measures. She highlighted the challenges posed by the lack of a sufficient Canadian supply chain to meet the demand, with a significant portion of RVs sold in Canada being imported from the US. The tariffs, if implemented, would affect RVs crossing the border, potentially increasing costs for dealers and consumers. Phil Ingrassia, speaking from the United States, acknowledged the industry’s shared concerns regarding tariffs and underscored the importance of maintaining free and fair trade between the two countries. He noted the interconnectedness of the US and Canadian RV industries. Brian Searl raised the concern about the potential impact on private campgrounds if tariffs do go into effect. Eleonore Hamm responded that there could be a positive side for Canadian campgrounds as people might choose to camp locally. However, she expressed concern about the long-term impact on dealers and potentially on consumers. Eva Mitic contributed to the conversation by focusing on the role of technology and sustainability in shaping the future of the RV industry. She discussed trends like the increasing importance of user-friendly RV systems and the growing emphasis on sustainable practices. The episode explored how innovations such as lithium technology and artificial intelligence are transforming RV design and functionality, catering to evolving consumer expectations. The discussion also delved into the evolving landscape of consumer behavior in the RV and outdoor recreation sectors. Participants noted a trend toward ease of use and connectivity, as well as the impact of the COVID boom on consumer education and expectations. This has implications for both RV manufacturers and dealers, requiring them to adapt their offerings and strategies to meet changing consumer preferences. Brian Searl prompted the panel to consider various factors influencing the industry, from consumer behavior to technological advancements. Panelists discussed the importance of convenience and intuitive design, as well as the ongoing need to educate consumers about RV operation and maintenance. The episode further explored the challenges and opportunities associated with technological innovation in the RV industry, including the development and adoption of new power systems and the potential influence of electric vehicle technology. The complexities of research and development costs and the balance between innovation and affordability were also considered. The impact of economic uncertainties, including concerns about consumer sentiment and market fluctuations, was a recurring theme. Panelists analyzed the ways in which these factors influence consumer confidence and purchasing decisions, as well as business planning and investment in the RV sector. The discussion also underscored the increasing importance of advancements in RV components and systems, reflecting a broader trend toward enhanced functionality and user experience. The ongoing advancements in power systems and the potential to integrate “smart home” technology into RVs were highlighted as key areas of development. Ultimately, the MC Fireside Chats episode provided a valuable platform for exploring the multifaceted dynamics of the RV industry, bringing together diverse perspectives to analyze current challenges and anticipate future trends. The insights shared by industry experts contributed to a richer understanding of the forces shaping the sector and offered guidance for navigating its ongoing evolution.
March 26, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – March 26th, 2025

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl convened a panel of industry leaders to delve into the pressing issues and evolving trends impacting the RV and outdoor recreation sectors. The discussion featured Eleonore Hamm from RVDA of Canada, Shane Devenish of the Canadian RV Association (CRVA), Greg Emmert, Phil Ingrassia representing RVDA, and Aaron Bannon from the American Outdoors Association. The episode tackled the complex landscape of potential tariffs, shifting consumer behaviors, and the innovative strides being made within the industry, providing valuable insights for campground owners, RV dealers, and outdoor enthusiasts alike. The discussion began with the potential impact of tariffs on the RV industry. Eleonore Hamm explained that RVDA of Canada is providing information and resources to its members regarding potential counter tariff measures. She highlighted the lack of a sufficient Canadian supply chain to meet the demand, with a significant portion of RVs sold in Canada being imported from the US. The tariffs, if implemented, would affect RVs crossing the border, potentially increasing costs for dealers and consumers. Shane Devenish emphasized the difficulty in keeping everyone informed due to the rapidly changing situation. He also clarified that the Canadian countermeasures would only take effect if the US imposes tariffs on Canadian goods. Phil Ingrassia, speaking from Washington D.C., acknowledged the industry’s concern and stressed the importance of free and fair trade. He noted the interconnectedness of the US and Canadian RV industries. Brian Searl raised the concern about the potential impact on private campgrounds if tariffs do go into effect. Eleonore Hamm responded that there could be a positive side for Canadian campgrounds as people might choose to camp locally. However, she expressed concern about the long-term impact on dealers and potentially on consumers. Aaron Bannon provided an overview of the American Outdoors Association, which comprises organizations providing facilitated recreation experiences on public lands. He discussed the crossover between his members and the RV industry, noting that many guides live in RVs and that a robust tourism industry benefits outfitters. Bannon also mentioned trends like the increasing popularity of glamping and a shift towards shorter, less risky trips. Greg Emmert and Shane Devenish weighed in on the trend of shorter trips, linking it to economic uncertainty and fuel costs. Shane Devenish shared anecdotal evidence of some people planning longer trips within Canada. Brian Searl then posed a question about how businesses in different sectors could pivot in a moderately challenging economic scenario. Aaron Bannon suggested that outfitters might focus on attracting customers from nearby metropolitan areas and diversify their offerings. Greg Emmert emphasized the importance of partnerships and experiential offerings for campgrounds, particularly those near population centers. Eleonore Hamm said that Canadian RV dealers might focus more on pre-owned sales and service. Shane Devenish highlighted the challenges faced by parts suppliers and manufacturers on both sides of the border. Phil Ingrassia discussed the complexities of the situation for US manufacturers due to the sourcing of components and the impact of consumer sentiment on RV sales. Phil Ingrassia then discussed the RVIA’s emerging leaders program, which aims to connect and develop industry professionals. Aaron Bannon spoke about similar programs within the Outdoors Association, emphasizing the value of fresh perspectives. Phil Ingrassia also discussed Go RVing’s experiential events, which are designed to introduce RVing to people who may have little exposure to it. Eleonore Hamm added that Go RVing Canada also participates in similar events. Brian Searl then brought up Pebble, an all-electric RV with advanced technology. Greg Emmert provided details about Pebble’s features, including its self-hitching, remote control maneuverability, and extended vehicle range capabilities. Phil Ingrassia noted that the company was founded by former Tesla executives and that these types of innovations may appeal to a new demographic of RVers. In their final thoughts, Eleonore Hamm thanked everyone for the opportunity to speak. Greg Emmert stressed the importance of developing the next generation of leaders in the outdoor hospitality industry. Aaron Bannon highlighted the passage of the Explore Act and its potential to facilitate new outfitter businesses. Shane Devenish mentioned the CRVA’s 50th anniversary and upcoming special events. Phil Ingrassia expressed optimism about the upcoming season. Eleonore Hamm provided information on how to access the petition regarding tariffs on the RVDA website.
February 26, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – February 26th, 2025

The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, kicked off with the usual banter between recurring guests Greg Emmert and Angele Miller, setting a lighthearted tone before diving into deeper discussions about the RV industry, outdoor recreation, and emerging trends in travel and accommodations. With key players from the RV industry unavailable due to board meetings, the conversation took a broader focus on innovative housing solutions and the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. Angele Miller highlighted the growing demand for wellness tourism, emphasizing how nature-based experiences like meditation, yoga, and Nordic-style wellness treatments are attracting more visitors. She pointed out that people are increasingly looking for ways to integrate nature into their well-being, whether through forest bathing, herbal tea rituals, or simply unplugging in scenic environments. This shift aligns with broader travel trends where guests seek holistic experiences rather than just a place to stay. The discussion expanded into economic factors affecting the industry, particularly cross-border travel. Brian and Angele touched on the decline in Canadian travelers heading to the U.S. due to the weak Canadian dollar and political factors, with more locals opting for domestic vacations instead. This has resulted in an uptick in Canadian campground reservations, highlighting the economic shifts that are reshaping travel habits. Brent Fullerton, general manager of Carefree RV, provided insights into customer service strategies that are refining RV sales and rentals. He discussed the industry’s need to improve the service experience, especially given labor shortages and the challenge of keeping up with seasonal demand. Brent emphasized that while the RV industry has traditionally been laid-back, the current economic climate requires a more proactive approach to customer service, faster response times, and greater efficiency in handling repairs and parts shortages. He also noted the importance of adapting to changing consumer expectations, particularly in an era where customers demand high-quality service and instant solutions. Arthur Jason, CEO of AC Future, introduced his company’s AI-powered transformer homes, which were recently showcased at CES 2025. These modular, off-grid living spaces use artificial intelligence to optimize energy use, harvest water from the air, and create a self-sustaining environment. Arthur explained how these units offer a high-end, flexible alternative to traditional housing and could redefine the concept of mobile living. He also touched on their potential application for glamping, RV parks, and sustainable outdoor accommodations, making them an attractive option for operators looking to enhance guest experiences with cutting-edge technology. Greg Emmert and Brian explored the broader implications of AI-driven housing and its role in shaping the future of outdoor travel. They discussed the potential for these homes to be integrated into themed glamping resorts, offering curated experiences that cater to specific demographics. From a Mars-themed desert retreat to a high-tech forest getaway, these modular homes could provide a unique alternative to traditional cabins and yurts, pushing the boundaries of outdoor hospitality. The conversation also touched on the larger societal shifts toward automation and AI, with Brian speculating on the impact of robotic assistants in everyday life. He noted that fully functional humanoid robots could be available within the next few years for as little as $20,000 to $30,000, potentially transforming domestic life and further influencing travel habits. The panel debated whether these advancements would lead to greater mobility, with people embracing flexible, technology-driven living spaces instead of traditional homes. As the episode wrapped up, each guest reflected on the opportunities and challenges ahead. Arthur reiterated his commitment to bringing AC Future’s homes to Canada, while Brent acknowledged the need for continued innovation in the RV industry to meet evolving customer demands. Angele emphasized that regardless of technological advancements, the fundamental appeal of outdoor recreation remains the same: people seek connection with nature and meaningful experiences. The episode served as a deep dive into the intersection of outdoor hospitality, technology, and shifting consumer behaviors. With innovative solutions like AI-powered homes and evolving approaches to RV sales and rentals, the industry is adapting to a changing landscape where customer expectations, economic pressures, and sustainability concerns are reshaping the future of travel and outdoor living.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.