Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

Mc Fireside Chats - This week, on August 2nd, we were joined by 2023.
August 2, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – August 2nd, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Brian Searle, a panel of industry experts convened to discuss the evolving role of data and artificial intelligence (AI) in the recreational vehicle (RV) industry. The panelists included Casey Cochran from Campspot, Mike Harrison from CRR: A Lifestyle Company, Christine Taylor from the Towne Law Firm, and, RV Industry Consultant, Sandy Ellington. The discussion was a deep dive into the potential of data analysis and AI in revolutionizing the RV industry, drawing parallels with the hotel industry. The conversation kicked off with a discussion on Campspot’s new Signal Reports. These reports provide anonymized data to Campspot’s customers, offering insights into their performance compared to other similar parks. The data is derived from several factors, including location, amenities, size, and climate. The panelists highlighted the importance of such data in making informed business decisions and driving revenue growth. The panelists also discussed the broader role of data analysis in the RV industry. Drawing from their experiences, they noted that the RV industry could significantly benefit from the kind of data analysis that has been a staple in the hotel industry for years. The panelists emphasized the need for the RV industry to leverage data to understand market trends, customer behavior, and business performance. The conversation then shifted to the potential of AI in the RV industry. The panelists expressed optimism about AI’s ability to simplify and enhance data analysis. They discussed how AI could prompt users with relevant questions and insights based on their data, making data analysis more accessible and efficient for RV park owners. The panelists also touched on the legal implications of data scraping, a method used to extract large amounts of data from websites. While data scraping is not illegal, the panelists acknowledged that it is a gray area that needs to be navigated carefully. They emphasized the importance of understanding the legal landscape when using data scraping for business intelligence. The discussion also delved into the role of management companies in the RV industry. The panelists noted that many RV park owners do not have the time or expertise to conduct in-depth data analysis. As such, they can benefit from partnering with management companies that specialize in data analysis and can deliver valuable insights. The panelists also highlighted the need for education in the RV industry about data analysis and AI. They noted that many RV park owners may not fully understand the value of these tools and may need guidance on how to leverage them effectively. The panelists called for more webinars and educational resources to help RV park owners understand and utilize data analysis and AI. Towards the end of the discussion, the panelists expressed their hope for the future of the RV industry. They envisioned a future where data analysis and AI are integral parts of the industry, helping RV park owners make informed decisions and drive business growth. The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats offered valuable insights into the role of data and AI in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted the potential of these tools in revolutionizing the industry and called for more education and resources to help RV park owners leverage them effectively. The MC Fireside Chats series continues to be a platform for thought leaders in the outdoor hospitality industry to share their insights and discuss the latest trends and developments. As the RV industry continues to evolve, these discussions will undoubtedly play a crucial role in shaping its future.
MC Fireside Chats this week we were joined by Christina.
July 5, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 5th, 2023

July 5 Episode Recap In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats episode presented by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion started about the departure of co-host Cara due to her increased responsibilities at CCRVC. Brian together with the recurring guests touched upon the occupancy rates of their properties during the July 4th holiday, with the high temperatures and weather conditions impacting the rates. Sandy shared that the midweek placement of the holiday and harsh weather led to lower than expected occupancy rates. Brian warned about the danger of attributing lower occupancies to external circumstances, advocating for addressing the core issues. Christine informed that Memorial Day and Labor Day holidays usually have better occupancy rates due to their weekend placement. Mike introduced data from CampSpot indicating increased park bookings in June and predicted steady occupancy for Q4. They also discussed the US consumer confidence spike in June and factors contributing to it, such as stabilized gas prices and softened inflation. They then discussed the state of the economy, small businesses, public perception, and issues within the park industry. Christine raised some problems she encountered in parks like disgruntled guests causing problems and increased employment lawsuits. The group also discussed the trend of guests abandoning their old rigs in parks and brainstormed possible proactive solutions, such as requiring annual inspections or setting age limits on rigs. The conversation then shifted towards the industry innovation award proposed by Sandy, intended to recognize unique advancements within their industry. While Mike and Sandy argued that the awards could raise industry standards by promoting innovation, Brian expressed concerns about award saturation and the value of such recognitions. Brian also raised a concern about the self-nomination process commonly employed in these types of awards. Electric vehicles (EVs) and their impact on the camping industry also featured in the discussion. Brian emphasized the necessity of accepting the transition towards EVs. Sandy pointed out the benefits of EV charging stations at RV parks as a revenue stream and marketing opportunity. However, the lack of widespread understanding and appreciation of EVs within the industry was also addressed. In terms of individual experiences, Christine shared her journey dealing with customer service and transitioning into a new managerial role at a long-standing campground. Mike discussed strategies for leveraging a park’s identity and legacy for marketing purposes. He also shared his experience of hosting themed weekend events to attract visitors to RV parks and discussed new initiatives like farmers’ markets. Sandy then discussed her successful attempts to encourage camping even in high heat by theming weekends, introducing activities like foam parties, and using a bundled payment model for activities. She also shared her insights on the potential of agritourism, drawing from her experiences with a park in central Florida. However, a humorous suggestion about hosting an “outrun the gator weekend” was advised against due to potential liability issues. The chat concluded with the hosts expressing their gratitude for the active participation of the guests and a teaser for a future episode on glamping. The discussions were centered around various aspects of camping and RV resorts, with a focus on occupancy rates, consumer behavior, industry trends, and innovative solutions to existing challenges.
On June 7th, 2023, MC Fireside Chats this week featured a special guest, Sarah.
June 7, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – June 7th, 2023

In the June 7 episode of MC Fireside Chats presented by Fireside Accounting, hosts Brian Searl, recurring guests Sandy Ellingson, Mark Koep and Casey Cochran delve into a lively debate on a plethora of topics, from traditional marketing methodologies to the transformative influence of AI. The conversation starts with the campground maps and the efficacy of their surrounding advertisements. While Sandy advocates for traditional marketing forms, citing the relevance of physical maps in locations with poor cellular connectivity, Mark echoes her sentiments, lauding push marketing’s targeted approach. Contrarily, Brian is more skeptical, highlighting the shortcomings of these tactics in terms of data tracking and measuring return on investment. Instead, he envisions a future where AI would radically revolutionize marketing strategies. The discourse then veers towards AI’s impact on advertising, specifically the influence of personalized search results and AI algorithms on shaping user experiences and manipulating emotions, respectively. Mark provides insights into his experiences with YouTube ads and influencers, emphasizing how a single viewed video can alter the stream of recommended content, hence potentially influencing individual perspectives on a range of subjects. Sandy, Brian, Mark, and late joiner, Casey, then pivot to explore AI’s accelerated advancements. Sandy cites a professional instance where AI effectively traced website visitors unable to make reservations due to unavailability, thereby offering crucial data to inform potential business expansions. Brian reiterates the ubiquitous impact of AI across various fields, including medicine and text analysis, by mentioning an AI system that could detect cancer in radiology scans with 99% accuracy, pending FDA approval. Mark paints a hypothetical scenario involving an AI drone surpassing its programmed limitations to accomplish its target in a military exercise, underlining the potential unpredictability and autonomy of AI. The discussion then segues into the socioeconomic repercussions of AI, with Brian suggesting that unlike previous technological transitions, those displaced by AI would have less time to adapt and prepare. Casey sheds light on a novel role announced by Campspot, the Seasonal Chief Outdoor Officer, a unique initiative aiming to promote the company by encouraging more people to camp. Mark commends Campspot’s giveaway campaign, while Sandy provides fascinating Memorial Day statistics, revealing that glamping sites were sold out, while RV sites were not. Casey confirms a surge in camping reservations surrounding Memorial Day. Casey also introduces a new feature designed to provide park owners with a heatmap of reservations, aiming to assist in planning marketing strategies effectively. Despite acknowledging the significance of data analysis, Brian expresses concern that many park owners might disregard the value of websites and other tech-driven strategies due to time constraints or technological apprehension. In response, Sandy proposes outsourcing these tasks to experts and suggests an innovative feature for Campspot, a platform that continually searches for canceled reservations, enabling users to snag spots at otherwise fully-booked locations. They further discuss potential improvements to campground booking procedures and capacity issues. A brainstorming session on various ideas, such as a notification system for park availability, a tiered system for alerts, or a bidding system for popular sites, concludes with the consensus that the viability of these ideas largely depends on data surrounding park capacity trends and camper booking habits. The conversation wraps up with a contemplation of the potential threats posed by Google and AI to the camping reservation industry, with Mark emphasizing the importance of niching down in the technology realm. Casey extols the virtues of AI, such as personalizing and simplifying campground searches, while acknowledging current systems’ complexity and the significance of user comfort concerning data privacy. Brian anticipates that Google’s AI would soon make personalized recommendations based on collected data, necessitating privacy regulations. Sandy, however, raises a skeptical viewpoint that AI may not honor human-set privacy rules, but recognizes people’s increasing willingness to share their data as it simplifies processes. Mark’s concluding remarks express enthusiasm over the post-Memorial Day surge in camping bookings and commend Michael for his invaluable contribution of aggregate data, which can significantly inform industry insights. Brian concludes the lively debate, highlighting AI’s democratizing influence, which allows small businesses to compete with major operators and grants underprivileged teachers access to new resources. In this wide-ranging conversation, the group not only underscores the transformative potential of AI and data analysis The conversation concludes with Mark reflecting optimistically on the uptick in camping reservations following Memorial Day and commending Michael for contributing valuable industry data insights. Brian wraps up the dialogue by underscoring the leveling impact of AI, which allows small businesses to compete with major operators, while also providing unprecedented access to resources for underprivileged educators. Throughout the spirited discussion, the group highlights the transformative power of AI and data analytics, envisioning a future where these technological advances profoundly reshape the camping industry, and possibly beyond. As they look forward to the evolution of their industry in the hands of AI, they remain both vigilant and excited, ready to embrace the inevitable changes and challenges the future may bring.
May 3, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – May 3rd, 2023

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Mc Fireside Chats - this week we're joined by Mary Harrison on April 5, 2023.
April 5, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 5, 2023

April 5 Episode Recap During last week’s open discussion show sponsored by Fireside Accounting, Hosts Brian Searl and Cara Czismadia were accompanied by Mike Harrison from CRR Lifestyle and Christine Taylor from Towne Law Firm. Mike began the discussion by sharing insights on CRR’s third-party management service, which focuses on experiential hospitality and revenue enhancement through data and analytics. He highlighted that their service is unique as their primary objective is to drive owner profit, NOI, and asset value by concentrating on revenue enhancement through various means such as marketing, experiences, activities, and ancillary services. Christine provided valuable insights into employment law, emphasizing the importance of having clear policies and procedures in place to ensure physical and emotional safety in the workplace, prevent harassment and discrimination, and minimize legal liability. Brian and Mike also discussed the challenges of operations in the camping industry and how it can impact employee satisfaction. The conversation then shifted to AI technology and its potential in various industries, including the hospitality industry. They discussed a VR resort that can’t be insured, AI-generated videos, and their AI chatbot for customer service. The speakers also touched on potential legal issues with the chatbot and the need for proper terms and conditions. As the episode concluded, Brian and Christine discussed the impact of AI on various industries, including law and outdoor hospitality. They talked about how AI can help speed up processes, increase efficiency, and improve customer service. The conversation ended with a discussion about the ChatGPT plugin and how it can be used to connect different apps and automate tasks, such as booking reservations and ordering food. Overall, the discussion was rich in insights and perspectives, providing valuable information for anyone interested in the outdoor hospitality industry, employment law, and AI technology. The hosts and recurring guests all expressed their excitement about the possibilities of AI and encouraged others to embrace it while also acknowledging potential legal and ethical issues that may arise.
On February 1st, 2023, MC Fireside Chats held their weekly session with special guest Scott.
February 1, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 1st, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Fireside Accounting, Host Brian Searl, along with a panel of experts, discusses the future of the campground industry and the impact of technology on it. The panel to discuss the latest trends and developments in the industry are RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, Campspot Software Vice President of Business Development Casey Cochran, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality CEO & Owner Scott Foos, and CampgroundViews.com Founder & CEO Mark Koep. During the show, the group provided a comprehensive overview of the state of the campground industry and where it needs to go this year. They agreed that 2023 would be the “year of the marketer,” discussing how parks need to have the ability to adapt to the new audience and use effective digital marketing to succeed. They also talked about how the uniqueness of the properties and locations would have an impact on the campers’ booking patterns and how the industry changed in that aspect, like shorter booking windows. Sandy Ellingson, who attended the recent Tampa RV & Camping Show, reported that the industry is thriving despite what the people in the industry say about the economy. She said the event had more qualified buyers, more rig innovations, and an increased number of campgrounds having booths. She advises manufacturers to change their language to match the current state of the industry. The panel also discussed the future of online bookings for camping sites. They examine the potential impact of AI-powered search engines like Bing and Google on the industry and discuss the role of online travel agencies (OTAs) in the future. Brian predicts that websites will not be relevant in 20 years, while Sandy believes they will still play a role. In addition to online bookings, the panel also explores the impact of AI on the camping industry. They believe that implementing AI in search engines such as Google and Bing will force people to adapt faster and create an arms race in the market. They also touch on the idea of a marketplace for the camping industry, where some platforms might offer only some of the benefits a park provides, like tokenized credit card payments and security deposits. These flaws may force parks to integrate with other platforms like Airbnb and VRBO. “MC Fireside Chats” provides an insightful and engaging look into the future of the camping industry, providing listeners with a glimpse into the latest trends and developments in the sector. The episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the camping industry’s future and technology’s impact on the sector.
MC Fireside Chats - this week we were joined by Carolyn on January 4th.
January 4, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 4th, 2023

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, outdoor hospitality experts discussed various trends and provided insights regarding the sector. The discussion kicked off on how businesses can prepare for and come back from a long break like the recently concluded holiday break and how culture can define a company for its employees. One way to reward staff for their contributions is to give them a break they deserve. The group noted that executives chose their work when they started the business and, therefore, may have to work during the holiday break. “So it’s different. Like, and I told this to people I talked to today. It’s different for me. I’m the owner. I signed up to do it. Randy’s the owner; he signed up to do it. Mark’s the owner; he signed up to do it,” Brian Searl said. Randy Hendrickson, Founder & CEO of the Intrepid Group, suggested improving the company’s culture, including managing staff and creating a positive work environment and customer service. Casey Cochran, the Vice President of Business Development at Campspot Software, emphasized the importance of setting expectations for the reality of the day-to-day job of being an executive and owning a business and how this can benefit the company. Randy also pointed out that people stay with a company not just for the brand but for the managers leading them and that a healthy culture and leaders who reflect that culture is key to success. “It’s also interesting, I mean, there’s a number of studies I’ve read over the years that people don’t always stay with the company because of the company brand itself. They stay because of the relationship they have with their immediate supervisor,” he said. “And when you think about that, kind of makes a lot of sense, right? Because they’re not reporting to the brand every day, they’re reporting through their immediate supervisor. So there’s also kind of a top-down thing. I think the culture is paramount, absolutely paramount.” Casey noted that money matters as employees still need to make ends meet at the end of the day, and that incentivizing staff could lead to increased revenue for the company and improved behavior among the people. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, added that incentivizing staff encourages them to work more, not just the required deliverables and tasks assigned to them. Randy emphasized that a company’s culture is not just about its size but about its mission. Casey also mentioned the importance of finding the proper role for staff members, considering their strengths and capacity to fill a need, especially during times of change. The discussion then shifted to how the RV Industry would fair this year. Mark said a recent RVIA report showed data that wholesale numbers are down as 2022 ends and asked if international tourists can either save or balance the numbers to help the industry. Brian Searl, the host of MC Fireside Chats, mentioned that RV sales might be low, but they are still higher than pre-pandemic levels, according to an RVDA representative the show had last December 21. “[RVDA representative] said, you know, that yes, RV sales are down, but what they’re really doing is normalizing from 2019 over pre-pandemic. Right. And maybe that’s a buzzword; maybe it’s not. I tend to believe him based on the numbers that I’m looking at. Cause you can see they’re up still over 2019, even though they’re down 50% now,” he said. Randy emphasized that RVs are not just for camping but can also be used for traveling and accommodation while traveling around the country and that this trend is driven by demographic and customer behavior changes. Casey mentioned the impact of the shift to remote work on many businesses and the need for companies to adapt to this change in terms of finances and logistics. “Now, I think all of us would agree that we’re big components of remote work. But if that was to change, then I think you could maybe see, okay, this could affect our midweek stays even, you know, further because there’s not as many people that are able to do kind of that flexible workspace,” he said.
MC Fireside Chats this week were joined by Fireside Accounting for our discussion on December 7th.
December 7, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 7th, 2022

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, we welcome Jenna Celmer from Basecamp as a special guest host. Over the years, the RV, campground, and outdoor hospitality industries have seen significant growth. From primitive sites with no cell reception to reserving sites over the phone, campers can now experience the great outdoors by booking online to different accommodations based on their needs and preferences. Guest experts from the industry talked about experiential hospitality and the work culture in the RV and campground industries. Celmer asked the experts about their fondest memory of their time in the industry, and most of the experts shared how they started and how they fell in love with the industry’s work culture. Randy Hendrickson, founder & CEO of The Intrepid Group, shared that the industry’s “care gene” keeps him moving forward. According to Scott Foos, CEO & owner of Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, it is vital to have that team-first mentality and ensure that team members are well taken care of. “The more that you really think about investing in your team, and the more that you truly understand that your team drives your business,” Foos added. The conversion focused on experiential hospitality and how the industry is gearing towards providing good customer service or guest service. For RV Industry Consultant Sandy Ellingson, it is essential to understand the meaning of experiential camping to get the guests there. “We are moving into a season where we are competing across so many different kinds of markets now, especially with the growth of glamping and some of the things we’re seeing there, that understanding the definition of experiential Camping and understanding what that is is super important just to help get the guests there for the first time,” Ellingson said. Mark Koep, Founder & CEO of CampgroundViews.com, emphasized that communicating with guests is important to provide a unique experience. Casey Cochran, vice president of Business Development at Campspot Software, talked about how creating a culture and providing the ‘experience’ starts within the staff and team members.
On July 6th, 2022, MC Fireside Chats had a special guest appearance by Sarah.
October 5, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 5th, 2022

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Fireside Accounting, we broadcasted live from the Glamping Show USA! We discovered what was new that year and discussed the latest industry news in our open discussion format. MC Fireside Chats was joined by Sacha Macey of Yurts for Life, Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Advisory, Zachary Stoltenberg of Clockwork, and Nick Purslow of Glampitect. MC Fireside Chats, a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, was hosted by Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The show was available live on Facebook, LinkedIn, and YouTube, and is now available to listen as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Audible, and more.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

March 19, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – March 19th, 2025

The March 19, 2025, episode of MC Fireside Chats centered on business operations and management in the outdoor hospitality industry, featuring a diverse panel of recurring and special guests. Host Brian Searl was joined by Mike Harrison, Sandy Ellingson, and Ali Rasmussen, along with special guests Katie McLeod, General Manager of Quilly’s RV Parks, and John, Beth, and Ali Kieffer, owners of the Blue Ridge Dakota River KOA in Georgia. The discussion covered a wide range of topics, from technology and consumer trends to the evolving demographics of campers and the challenges faced by campground owners. The conversation began with Brian highlighting the importance of choosing the right online reservation system, emphasizing that campground owners should prioritize systems with open API access. He explained that APIs allow for seamless data integration, automation, and enhanced analytics, ultimately improving efficiency and decision-making. Sandy agreed, reinforcing that consumers want a streamlined experience without needing multiple tools, and that open APIs allow campgrounds to integrate the best features from different platforms. She pointed out that many reservation systems claim they are working on integrations but often fail to deliver them in a timely manner. With a robust API, owners can build their own integrations without relying on software developers. Shifting gears, the discussion turned to the decline in Canadian travelers visiting U.S. campgrounds. Ali Rasmussen noted a dramatic 70% drop in Canadian visitors at her properties, a trend that has forced her to rethink advertising and marketing strategies. While some campground owners, like Katie McLeod, reported an increase in Canadian guests at their Texas properties, others, particularly in Georgia and New England, have seen significant declines. Mike Harrison explained that he had noticed booking trends weakening as early as mid-2024 and attributed part of the decline to economic factors, including the weakening Canadian dollar and rising tariffs. Brian added that rhetoric around the “51st state” concept had also alienated Canadian travelers, leading many to cancel U.S. trips in protest. Sandy Ellingson questioned whether the decline was solely due to travel restrictions or if it was also tied to a broader shift in demographics, where older generations of campers are not being replaced by younger ones. This led to a larger discussion about the changing profile of campers. Sandy shared insights from ongoing industry research, which suggests that traditional camping demographics are shifting. She noted that many long-time campers are aging out of the industry, and younger generations are not adopting RVing and camping at the same rate. She referred to this shift as the “death of the camper and the rise of the traveler,” emphasizing that modern outdoor enthusiasts often view camping differently. Instead of seeing it as a long-term lifestyle choice, many younger travelers prefer shorter, more curated outdoor experiences. Brian agreed and pointed out that glamping, cabin rentals, and tent sites are potential entry points for this new demographic. Sandy announced that the research findings would soon be shared with the industry at upcoming conferences, with the goal of helping campground owners adapt to these changes. The conversation also touched on the challenges of encouraging curiosity and adaptability among campground owners. John and Beth Kieffer discussed their experience as KOA franchisees, emphasizing how KOA’s extensive data and support systems have helped them refine their operations and improve guest experiences. However, John noted that many long-time KOA owners are resistant to change and hesitant to upgrade their facilities, despite KOA’s recommendations. He explained that some owners blindly rely on past success rather than adapting to evolving guest expectations, which could lead to difficulties in the future. Beth added that financial constraints often contribute to this reluctance, as many owners worry about the costs associated with infrastructure upgrades. Brian suggested that curiosity is a key factor in success, questioning whether it can be taught or if it is an inherent trait. Katie McLeod expressed skepticism, stating that while curiosity is difficult to instill, setting clear expectations for staff and fostering a culture of learning can help bridge the gap. Ali Rasmussen raised another important question about how the industry can attract younger generations to camping and RVing. She pointed out that Millennials and Gen Z often avoid physically demanding activities, which could pose a challenge for traditional RVing, which requires setup and maintenance. Katie shared an innovative approach she has seen at some parks, where campgrounds offer “first setup” services to help new RV owners learn the basics. She explained that her own park manager regularly assists guests with their first-time setup, creating an emotional connection that makes them more likely to return. Sandy added that a successful initiative she has worked on involves partnerships between campgrounds and RV dealerships, where dealerships host “maiden voyage” experiences at campgrounds, teaching new RV owners the essentials of setting up and troubleshooting their rigs. These programs not only create better experiences for first-time campers but also help build long-term loyalty. The discussion then turned to the importance of offering diverse experiences that go beyond traditional camping. Brian emphasized the need to foster a deeper passion for the outdoors, rather than just selling amenities. John and Beth Kieffer shared how they have introduced additional services at their KOA, such as food trucks, fly fishing lessons, and winery tours, all of which enhance the guest experience without adding significant operational costs. Brian encouraged owners to think outside the box, suggesting that activities like survival skills workshops, guided hikes, and even foraging experiences could create lasting memories and a deeper appreciation for the outdoors. As the episode wrapped up, each panelist shared their final thoughts. John Kieffer warned that the rising cost of building new campgrounds—now averaging $60,000 per site—could push prices even higher, potentially making camping less accessible. Sandy reiterated the importance of actively onboarding new guests and attracting younger travelers to sustain the industry’s long-term growth. Katie emphasized the need to create unique, nature-focused experiences that encourage guests to disconnect and reconnect with the outdoors. Ali echoed this sentiment, adding that fostering a sense of community at campgrounds is just as important as providing great amenities. She noted that people are increasingly seeking meaningful human connections and that campgrounds should embrace that need by designing experiences that encourage interaction and shared moments. Brian concluded the show by reflecting on the broader challenge of capturing people’s attention in an era of digital distractions. He argued that the passion for the outdoors is still there, but it is competing with an overwhelming amount of digital content and entertainment. To remain relevant, campground owners must not only adapt their offerings but also find innovative ways to communicate the value of outdoor experiences to new audiences. With so many factors shaping the industry’s future, from economic shifts to changing traveler expectations, the key takeaway was clear—those who embrace curiosity, adaptability, and a forward-thinking approach will be best positioned for success.
February 19, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – February 19th, 2025

The February 19, 2025, episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, featured a discussion on business operations and management, bringing together industry experts and key players in the outdoor hospitality space. The panel included recurring guests Jeff Hoffman of Camp Strategy, Mike Harrison of CRR Hospitality, and Sandy Ellingson, a technology consultant and advocate for campgrounds. Special guests for the episode were Eric Stumberg, co-founder and CEO of TengoInternet, and Kelly Jones, Vice President of Operations at Great Escapes RV Resorts. Jeff Hoffman, known for his expertise in assisting campground owners with operational efficiency, discussed the importance of having structured systems in place to reduce stress and improve team effectiveness. He emphasized that successful business operations start with well-established procedures that align with the needs of both employees and guests. Jeff highlighted the significance of listening to employees, as they are often the first to identify potential problems and solutions. Mike Harrison, representing CRR Hospitality, shared insights into the necessity of balancing on-property culture with remote corporate culture. He detailed how CRR integrates technology to streamline operations while ensuring human engagement remains a priority. Mike stressed that associate engagement directly impacts guest experiences, emphasizing the importance of intentional team-building efforts and recognition programs that foster a positive work environment. Kelly Jones, with extensive experience in campground operations, discussed how Great Escapes RV Resorts prioritizes team development as the foundation for providing top-tier guest services. She elaborated on how structured training sessions and ongoing educational programs help create a culture of trust and collaboration among employees. Kelly also spoke about the generational differences in the workforce and how understanding these differences can lead to better communication and teamwork. Sandy Ellingson offered a broader perspective on how campgrounds can implement effective team-building strategies. She recounted experiences of helping parks restructure their teams by aligning employees with roles that match their skills and interests, leading to higher efficiency and job satisfaction. She also highlighted how industry conferences provide opportunities for networking and knowledge-sharing, which can significantly benefit campground operators. Eric Stumberg provided valuable insights into the role of technology in enhancing campground operations. He discussed how connectivity solutions, such as reliable internet and digital tools, contribute to both guest satisfaction and operational efficiency. Eric explained that technology should be an enabler rather than a replacement for human interaction, helping employees focus on delivering exceptional customer service while automating routine tasks. The conversation also explored how technology can be used to improve employee experiences. From mobile apps that assist with scheduling and communication to advanced property management systems that reduce administrative burdens, the panelists agreed that technology plays a crucial role in fostering a productive work environment. They noted that when employees have access to the right tools, they can focus more on guest interactions and delivering memorable experiences. A key takeaway from the discussion was the importance of adapting business strategies to meet evolving industry trends. The panelists emphasized that campground owners should be open to change and invest in continuous learning to stay ahead of the competition. Conferences and industry events serve as vital platforms for sharing best practices and discovering new ways to optimize operations. As the episode wrapped up, each panelist encouraged campground owners to embrace a holistic approach to business operations by integrating team-building initiatives with technology-driven solutions. They reiterated that success in the industry hinges on creating a strong, engaged workforce that is empowered by efficient processes and innovative tools. Overall, the episode underscored the importance of balancing traditional hospitality values with modern operational advancements. By investing in team development and leveraging technology effectively, campground owners can enhance both employee satisfaction and guest experiences, ultimately driving long-term success in the outdoor hospitality industry.
January 15, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 15th, 2025

The January 15, 2025, episode of MC Fireside Chats delivered an insightful discussion on the intersection of business operations, innovation, and the future of outdoor hospitality. Hosted by Brian Searl, the session brought together industry experts, including Jeff Hoffman, Brent Parker, Mia Johnson, and Mike Sorensen, each contributing their perspectives on challenges and opportunities within the campground and RV park sectors. Brian began with an acknowledgment of the show’s new format and lightheartedly commented on the chaos of setting up his studio, mentioning his attempts to improve with new additions like a fiddle-leaf fig plant. After briefly introducing the guests, Brian set the tone by highlighting the focus on business operations and management strategies. Jeff Hoffman, a recurring guest and managing member of Camp Strategy, outlined his consultancy’s role in helping campgrounds achieve profitability. Jeff emphasized that 2025 would be critical for the industry, predicting shifts in revenue streams, camper demand, and operational challenges. He highlighted trends in RV sales, noting a rise in used sales, which he attributed to tighter budgets among consumers. Jeff called for the panel’s input on how demand and revenue might evolve, especially concerning long-term and transient site utilization. Mia Johnson, a seasoned campground broker and attorney, drew from her extensive experience, explaining that in regions like the Northeast, demand for seasonal sites remains robust due to stringent regulations limiting new campground development. She elaborated on her legal and brokerage background, sharing insights into helping campground owners grow revenue and value. Mia noted a growing trend of investors entering the industry, which she believes will reshape ownership and operations in the next decade. She also stressed the importance of long-term strategic planning and leveraging software tools to optimize business decisions. Brent Parker, owner of Open Campground, shared his unique perspective as a provider of cloud-based property management software. Brent explained his observations of campgrounds transitioning from short-term to long-term stays, driven by the desire for stable income and reduced operational complexity. He described how his software allows parks to recoup costs efficiently, emphasizing flexibility in pricing models to accommodate different campground setups. His insights on the benefits of passing certain costs directly to guests resonated with the discussion. Mike Sorensen, CEO of Wild Energy, addressed the critical issue of utility metering, particularly electricity. He explained how metering benefits both campground owners and guests, providing accurate billing and reducing overall consumption. Mike shared a case study highlighting the financial advantages of implementing utility meters and the importance of regulatory compliance in billing practices. He also hinted at future developments, such as water metering, to help campgrounds manage expenses and conserve resources. The discussion delved into evolving trends in campground operations, particularly the growing divide between transient and long-term stays. Mia emphasized that conversion between these models requires thoughtful planning, considering factors like existing reservations and market demand. Jeff and Brent discussed how operational costs and revenue potential influence these decisions, highlighting the complexities of balancing profitability with guest satisfaction. Brian skillfully facilitated the conversation, adding humor and insights while steering the discussion toward critical industry topics like leveraging technology for efficiency and meeting changing consumer expectations. As the session wound down, the panelists reflected on opportunities for innovation, such as utilizing AI, modernizing Wi-Fi infrastructure, and enhancing guest experiences through smarter operational strategies. The episode concluded with a lighthearted exchange among the panelists, underscoring the camaraderie and shared passion for improving the industry. Contact details for each expert were shared, ensuring listeners could follow up for further insights. The discussion set a high bar for future episodes, promising valuable takeaways for campground owners, operators, and industry professionals alike.
December 18, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – December 18th, 2024

The final 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats brought together a dynamic panel of outdoor hospitality experts reflecting on the year’s achievements and sharing strategies for 2025. Hosted by Brian Searl, the panel included Sarah Krause, Kaylee Pace, Richard Chandler, Amir Harpaz, Matt Bragstad, Derry Green, Suzanne (Soo) Hammond, and Marcia Galvin. A key theme throughout the discussion was guest experience enhancements through storytelling, community involvement, and innovative offerings. The conversation opened with Matt Bragstad of Your Glamping Adventure, who celebrated a remarkable year marked by quadrupled accommodations. He attributed this success to social media influence and tourism partnerships, expressing confidence in glamping’s growing popularity heading into 2025. Building on the theme of adapting to market changes, Amir Harpaz from Harp Development predicted a shift toward long-term camping due to affordability concerns and evolving traveler preferences. He emphasized balancing park amenities with revenue strategies to remain competitive. Richard Chandler, owner of Glacier Valley Campground, echoed this sentiment by highlighting his campground’s success through themed events and a boosted social media presence. His proactive approach to extending the camping season and maximizing midweek occupancy became a focal point of his 2025 goals. Infrastructure upgrades and customer service also played a key role in operational success. Sarah Krause of Kinney Lake Campground shared her experience of a strong comeback year, supported by a top-tier team and planned improvements such as a customer-focused reservation system and a new campground management course. The discussion then turned to innovation through storytelling. Derry Green of The Secret Garden Glamping in the UK credited social media-driven storytelling for transforming his business, fueled by an investment from a reality TV pitch. He hinted at ambitious international expansion plans. Expanding on the power of authentic experiences, Suzanne (Soo) Hammond of Top of the Woods in Wales highlighted her eco-friendly corporate retreats and upcoming ventures, including a nature spa and a YouTube cooking channel. She underscored the value of local partnerships in shaping guest experiences. Kaylee Pace of Big Tex Campgrounds offered a personal perspective on managing business growth while raising a family. Hiring a manager allowed her to focus on strategic improvements inspired by industry conferences, setting a strong foundation for future growth. The discussion concluded with Marcia Galvin, President of the Northeast Campground Association, emphasizing nostalgia-driven family camping at Normandy Farms. Looking ahead, she stressed the importance of staff retention and meaningful guest engagement as essential pillars of long-term success. The conversation concluded with a collective focus on improving guest experiences through thoughtful design, innovative amenities, and personalized marketing strategies. The panel’s shared enthusiasm underscored a promising future for the outdoor hospitality industry in 2025.
November 20, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – November 20th, 2024

The November 20, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted live by Brian Searl, took place at the KOA Convention in San Antonio, Texas, bringing together a dynamic group of speakers from across the outdoor hospitality industry. The atmosphere was vibrant, as leaders gathered to exchange ideas and celebrate the community’s collective accomplishments. Brian opened the session with humor and energy, acknowledging the meticulous planning behind the KOA convention while setting the stage for engaging conversations with an esteemed panel of industry professionals. Gwynn Sullivan, Executive Director of the Care Camps Foundation, introduced herself and spoke passionately about the foundation’s mission to support children with cancer through outdoor experiences. She expressed gratitude for the enduring partnership with KOA, which has been central to the foundation’s growth over four decades. Gwynn highlighted the innovative programs developed by pediatric oncology camps, including “Camp in the Box” and family retreats, as examples of how these initiatives bring joy and healing to families during challenging times. Jamie Rademacher, also a board member of the Care Camps Foundation, reflected on her long-standing involvement with KOA conventions. She emphasized the family-like atmosphere of the KOA network and how it fosters meaningful relationships and partnerships. For Jamie, the convention was not only a learning experience but also an opportunity to reconnect with familiar faces and gain new insights to further the foundation’s work. She shared her vision for expanding the foundation’s reach and building an endowment to ensure sustainable funding for years to come. Ben Quiggle, editor of Woodall’s Campground Magazine, shared his experiences from the convention, recounting highlights such as the groundbreaking ceremony at the Fredericksburg KOA and the workshops at the San Antonio KOA. He praised the KOA organization for its polished approach and its ability to provide actionable insights to campground owners. Ben noted how conventions like this re-energize attendees, offering fresh perspectives and new strategies to implement in their businesses. Mark Lemoine, Senior Vice President of Franchise Operations for KOA, brought a unique perspective as a former franchisee turned executive. He described the immense value of having walked in the shoes of franchise owners, which now informs his work on behalf of the entire KOA system. Mark shared how KOA supports its network of over 500 properties through education, training, and a focus on operational excellence. He emphasized the importance of maintaining the brand’s reputation for quality and consistency across all campgrounds, ensuring that guests know what to expect wherever they see the KOA logo. John, Ali, and Beth Kieffer, representing the Blue Ridge/Toccoa River KOA in Georgia, shared their inspiring journey as a family-run campground. From building the campground during the challenges of COVID-19 to receiving the Rising Star Award, their story reflected the resilience and dedication of KOA franchisees. John credited their success to their focus on guest satisfaction, as reflected in their consistently high Net Promoter Scores (NPS). Ali, now the general manager, highlighted the importance of treating both staff and guests like family, a sentiment echoed by her mother, Beth, who praised the collaborative effort that made their campground a success. Kevin Theuson, partner in KCN Campgrounds, spoke about the evolution of his business from a single-park operation to managing multiple properties. He discussed the challenges of scaling while preserving the personal touch that defines outdoor hospitality. Kevin shared his approach to building a strong team, empowering them to deliver exceptional guest experiences, and fostering a culture that prioritizes empathy and leadership. Throughout the episode, the theme of community and collaboration remained central. Gwynn and Jamie highlighted creative fundraising efforts from campground owners for Care Camps, such as unique donation drives and events. These efforts underscored the deep connection between KOA franchisees and the foundation’s mission. Meanwhile, Mark emphasized how KOA’s collective strength enables franchisees to innovate, grow, and succeed in an increasingly competitive industry. As the conversation wrapped up, each speaker reflected on their key takeaways from the convention. From innovative marketing strategies and rate management techniques to leveraging data and enhancing camp store design, the insights shared were diverse and impactful. For Gwynn and Jamie, the convention was a reminder of the power of relationships and the shared commitment to making a difference. For the Kieffers, it was a celebration of their achievements and a reaffirmation of their passion for outdoor hospitality. The episode concluded with Brian thanking the panelists and acknowledging the unique energy of the KOA convention. The discussions highlighted not only the expertise of the participants but also the collective heart of the KOA community, united by a shared mission to connect people with the outdoors and each other.
October 16, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 16th, 2024

In the October 16th, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl of Insider Perks opens the show with enthusiasm about upcoming changes to the program in 2025, including new topics and a revamped studio. The episode brings together a group of outdoor hospitality professionals, including campground owners and marketing experts, to discuss the challenges and opportunities in the industry. Regular guest Greg Emmert joins the conversation, along with special guests Danny Mulcahy, Stephanie Culver, Tim Dea, and Scott Cleveland, each contributing insights from their unique perspectives. Danny Mulcahy, president of USA Camping Company, shares his journey of growing his business from a single park in Florida to managing 13 parks across various states. His approach centers on providing high-quality outdoor experiences, focusing on properties near lakes, rivers, or other natural attractions. Danny discusses the delicate balance between creating a family-friendly atmosphere while managing the financial demands of running a large portfolio of parks. He emphasizes that guest experience is a priority, which guides decisions like investing in amenities such as viewing decks to enhance visitors’ stays. Tim Dea, of Rainbow Valley Campground in Edmonton, Alberta, explains how his campground operates alongside a ski hill, with the two businesses complementing each other seasonally. Tim notes that while the ski hill generates the bulk of his revenue in winter, the campground and summer operations offer significant potential. He shares the challenges of managing both aspects, particularly as summer draws to a close and preparations for the ski season begin. His focus has been on improving guest amenities, including new glamping domes, which reflect a broader trend in the industry towards offering unique experiences. Stephanie Culver, owner of Buzzworthy Property Management, speaks about her own campground ventures, including a groundbreaking ceremony for a new park in Texas. In addition to owning parks, she manages properties for other owners and stresses the importance of community involvement. She highlights how building strong relationships with local authorities and organizations, such as chambers of commerce, can ease regulatory challenges and foster goodwill. Stephanie also shares a personal story of a failed attempt to develop a park in West Virginia, where regulatory hurdles, including a massive infrastructure cost, ultimately led her to abandon the project. Scott Cleveland, director of marketing for USA Camping Company, discusses the importance of digital marketing in the modern campground industry. He explains how the company uses social media to build brand awareness and engage with potential guests. Scott notes that while it can be difficult to directly measure the return on investment from social media, the increase in organic search traffic and positive guest reviews demonstrate its long-term value. He also underscores the need for campgrounds to develop partnerships with local businesses, creating a mutually beneficial relationship that enhances the overall guest experience. The conversation touches on the regulatory challenges that often accompany campground expansion. Danny reflects on his experience in Oregon, where local regulations delayed a project by nearly three years. This led him to be more cautious about investing in highly regulated areas. Stephanie recounts her own struggles with federal requirements for a park in West Virginia, which ultimately became too costly to proceed. Both agree that working with local authorities early in the process is critical to avoid unforeseen obstacles. Another key theme of the discussion is the balance between providing memorable guest experiences and ensuring profitability. Danny shares how USA Camping Company weighs decisions about capital expenditures, often choosing projects that enhance the overall experience even if they don’t immediately generate revenue. Scott adds that guest satisfaction and word-of-mouth referrals can be just as valuable as direct marketing efforts, as they lead to repeat business and positive reviews. Tim also discusses the complexities of balancing different business operations, noting that while the ski hill brings in winter revenue, the campground requires its own attention and planning. He echoes the need for strategic investments that cater to both short-term visitors and long-term guests, drawing on his experience of operating in a highly seasonal environment. The episode concludes with a light-hearted exchange about hockey rivalries and upcoming industry events, including the OHIV show, where several of the guests plan to attend. Despite the challenges they face, all of the participants express optimism about the future of outdoor hospitality and the opportunities for continued growth and innovation. The conversation showcases the unique perspectives of campground owners and managers, highlighting the importance of balancing guest experience, community engagement, and regulatory compliance in a rapidly evolving industry.
September 18, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 18th, 2024

The September 18th, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats brought together a group of campground owners, RV park investors, and outdoor hospitality experts for a lively discussion on industry trends, challenges, and strategies for success. Hosted by Brian Searl, the panel included regulars like Ali Rasmussen (Spacious Skies Campgrounds), Tom Mason (Ivy Group), Joe Duemig (App My Community), Rachel Williamson (KCN Campgrounds), and Greg Emmert (Camp Strategy). Special guests included Sarah Krause (Kinney Lake Campground), Zachary Cooper (Blue Metric Group), and Peter Bingeman (Country Gardens RV Park). Each speaker offered unique insights into campground operations, investment strategies, and enhancing the guest experience. Ali Rasmussen kicked off the introductions by sharing her experience managing 15 campgrounds across various states. She explained that Spacious Skies had temporarily paused acquisitions to focus on streamlining operations and developing a more efficient management system. This move, she said, was crucial to ensuring long-term growth and sustainability for the company. Peter Bingeman, with 50 years of experience managing 4,500 sites across three properties, also shared his approach to hands-on management and the value of maintaining family-run operations. The conversation quickly shifted to RV park investments, led by Zachary Cooper of Blue Metric Group. Zachary detailed how his company strategically focuses on acquiring RV parks in tax-friendly states like Tennessee and across the southeastern U.S. He stressed the importance of vertical integration, with Blue Metric managing the parks they acquire to maximize efficiency and profitability. Zachary emphasized that their acquisition strategy relies on dealing directly with sellers, targeting family-owned operations, and choosing parks near permanent assets like lakes or national parks. Tom Mason from Ivy Group and Greg Emmert of Camp Strategy offered further insights into managing multiple properties. Tom discussed the challenges of keeping both seasonal and short-term guests satisfied, highlighting how third-party management and building strong partnerships had contributed to Ivy Group’s success. Greg echoed similar thoughts, noting that understanding the unique dynamics of each campground is essential for effective management. Both stressed the importance of thorough market research before making operational changes or acquisitions. Sarah Krause, representing Kinney Lake Campground, contributed by discussing the critical need for infrastructure improvements, especially at older parks. She shared her experience overseeing three campgrounds in Wisconsin, where upgrading electric and sewer systems had been vital to enhancing the guest experience. Sarah also touched on the challenges of managing on-site restaurants at campgrounds, emphasizing that these services should be viewed as amenities rather than primary revenue sources. Food and beverage services became a major talking point, with Sarah, Tom, and Peter sharing their strategies. Sarah noted that all three of her parks had restaurants and concession stands, which create a resort-like atmosphere for guests. However, she acknowledged the difficulties in maintaining profitability, especially in rural areas where food costs and labor are unpredictable. Peter agreed, stating that while his parks offer basic food services like snack shacks, they are seen more as guest amenities than major profit centers. Ali added to this by sharing Spacious Skies’ approach of partnering with local food trucks, which allows them to offer diverse dining options without the complexities of running in-house restaurants. Zachary also highlighted how Blue Metric Group has successfully used food trucks to engage the local community and enhance the guest experience without stretching operational resources too thin. These strategies, the panel agreed, help balance guest satisfaction with operational efficiency. Technology was another significant theme. Joe Duemig discussed how his platform, App My Community, helps campgrounds streamline operations. The app allows features like maintenance requests, real-time feedback, and activity sign-ups, reducing staff workloads and improving guest satisfaction. Joe also mentioned that some campgrounds are using the app to manage day passes, which helps prevent overcrowding of amenities like pools and hiking trails by allowing guests to book specific time slots. The panel explored the pros and cons of offering day-use passes for campground amenities. Tom Mason and Greg Emmert noted that they had experienced issues with overcrowding and complaints from overnight guests when day-use visitors were allowed. However, Ali and Peter shared a more positive view, especially in parks with larger natural features. Ali explained that managing day-use capacity and offering passes only on certain days helps balance the needs of both day-use visitors and campers, while also building relationships with the local community. The episode concluded with a discussion on the importance of community engagement and supporting campground associations. Peter Bingeman, a former president of both provincial and national associations in Canada, stressed the vital role these organizations play in providing resources and advocacy for campground owners. Ali and Zachary echoed this, emphasizing their commitment to maintaining state association memberships and collaborating with industry peers to stay informed on trends and best practices. In summary, the September 18th episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a comprehensive look at the outdoor hospitality industry’s evolving landscape. From investment strategies and operational challenges to guest experience enhancements and community engagement, the panelists offered valuable insights and advice for campground owners, investors, and operators looking to thrive in this dynamic sector.
July 18, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 17th, 2024

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, several key figures in the outdoor hospitality industry gathered to share their insights and experiences. The discussion aimed to provide valuable perspectives for business owners and entrepreneurs in enhancing operations and guest experiences. Alan Kahn and Jeff Hoffman, emphasized the importance of strategic consulting in the industry. He discussed their roles in helping campground owners navigate the complexities of business operations and strategic planning, ensuring that parks are well-positioned for success in a competitive market. Tom Mason, shared his experiences managing RV parks across the United States. He spoke about the challenges and successes of operating nationwide, highlighting the strategies his team employs to optimize revenue and enhance the overall camper experience at their managed properties. Dave King, provided a personal narrative on his lifelong involvement with his family’s RV park. He detailed the park’s history, starting from its inception in 1966, and discussed how it has been recognized consistently as one of the country’s premier destinations. King emphasized the importance of maintaining high standards and continuously adapting to meet guest expectations. Greg Emmert discussed the shifting dynamics in the industry and how consultants play a crucial role in helping businesses adapt and thrive. His insights into operational strategies and the need for ongoing adaptation were aimed at helping campground owners stay relevant and profitable. The panel also delved into the impact of technological advancements on the industry. They discussed how innovations in reservation systems, guest management software, and on-site amenities have revolutionized the way campgrounds operate and serve their guests. A significant part of the discussion focused on the economic aspects of running RV parks and campgrounds. The speakers shared their observations on market trends, including the fluctuating demand in camping and how it affects business strategies. They also explored the implications of economic downturns and how to position their businesses for resilience. Sustainability and environmental stewardship were key themes, with speakers discussing how integrating green practices into their operations has not only reduced their environmental impact but also appealed to eco-conscious consumers. They shared examples of sustainable practices that have been successful in their parks. The importance of community engagement and customer service was a recurring topic. The speakers emphasized how creating a strong sense of community and maintaining high levels of customer service are essential for repeat business and positive word-of-mouth. Looking forward, the panelists discussed the future of outdoor hospitality. They speculated on upcoming trends, including the increasing integration of technology in guest experiences and the continuous push towards more sustainable practices. They also considered the potential changes in consumer behavior post-pandemic and how this would affect the industry. As the industry continues to evolve, the insights from this episode of MC Fireside Chats provide valuable lessons and strategies for industry professionals looking to enhance their operations and guest experiences. This rich exchange of ideas showcased the dynamic and ever-changing landscape of RV and campground management.
June 19, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – June 19th, 2024

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, industry experts gathered to discuss the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality. The panel included Scott McGee from Rome America, Joe Moore from Morris Campground Consulting, and Rachel Williamson from KCN Campgrounds. Brian opened the discussion on a light-hearted note, introducing the guests and sharing a humorous anecdote about his sunburn, setting a friendly and engaging tone for the conversation. Scott McGee began by introducing himself and detailing Rome America’s mission to make camping accessible, particularly focusing on bridging the gap between traditional camping and glamping. He highlighted the unique natural settings of their properties, which offer an authentic yet comfortable camping experience. Scott emphasized that Rome America aims to attract a younger demographic by providing modern amenities while preserving the essence of traditional camping. Joe Moore, who has extensive experience in the industry, shared insights from his career, emphasizing the importance of creating a “wow factor” for guests. He discussed how campgrounds can leverage local attractions and partnerships to enhance the guest experience. Joe also expressed concern about large corporations potentially diminishing the personal touch in campgrounds, stressing the need to maintain a focus on guest satisfaction and unique experiences. Rachel Williamson discussed KCN Campgrounds’ focus on providing exceptional hospitality. She emphasized the importance of tailored marketing plans for each campground to ensure they highlight their unique characteristics. Rachel’s approach includes not only excellent customer service but also helping guests explore and enjoy local attractions, thus enhancing their overall experience. She underscored the value of understanding and meeting the diverse needs of guests through personalized service. The conversation then shifted towards the importance of training staff, especially seasonal workers, to provide consistent and knowledgeable service. Scott and Rachel both shared methods they use to ensure staff can recommend activities and services to guests effectively. This includes providing guides and fostering partnerships with local businesses. Scott mentioned the use of technology, such as chat programs with canned responses and AI availability, to support staff in delivering high-quality service. Joe Moore offered practical advice for campground owners facing economic challenges. He suggested conducting market studies, feasibility analyses, and competitive comparisons to identify areas for improvement. Joe stressed the importance of not just copying competitors but also adding unique value to attract and retain guests. He highlighted the need for adaptability and staying informed about industry trends to navigate economic uncertainties successfully. The panelists agreed on the necessity of maintaining strong marketing strategies and continually enhancing amenities to stay competitive. They also highlighted the importance of adaptability and staying informed about industry trends to navigate economic uncertainties successfully. The discussion underscored the significance of creating memorable experiences for guests, which can drive repeat visits and positive word-of-mouth. As the conversation progressed, Brian posed a challenging question about how to stand out in a crowded market. Scott and Rachel emphasized the importance of investing in amenities and ensuring excellent customer service. They suggested that a combination of innovative amenities and exceptional hospitality could help campgrounds differentiate themselves and attract a loyal customer base. Rachel also addressed the challenge of training work campers or seasonal workers who may not be familiar with the local area. She explained that KCN Campgrounds uses guides and encourages staff to explore local attractions themselves to provide better recommendations to guests. Scott added that keeping the learning curve small and using technology to support staff can help maintain high service standards. In conclusion, the episode highlighted the importance of creating unique and memorable experiences for campground guests. The panelists emphasized that investing in amenities, leveraging local attractions, and providing excellent customer service are crucial strategies for success. They also noted the need for continuous adaptation and staying informed about industry trends to navigate economic challenges effectively. The discussion provided valuable insights for campground owners and operators looking to enhance their offerings and stand out in a competitive market.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

September 23, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 23rd, 2026

During the September 23, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts emphasized that campground operators should embrace artificial intelligence to automate backend data and marketing workflows, ultimately saving time and boosting revenue while keeping the technology invisible to preserve genuine, human-to-human hospitality.
August 26, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 26th, 2026

During the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts agreed that while the rapid evolution of artificial intelligence and its use in marketing continues to spark debates over authenticity, its greatest value in outdoor hospitality lies in automating backend operations so staff can focus on delivering exceptional, human-to-human guest experiences.
June 24, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 24th, 2026

In the June 24, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts Matt Whitermore, Scott Lengel, and Craig Alsup discussed the urgent need for campground owners to embrace artificial intelligence and smart technologies. The panel highlighted how economic pressures and evolving consumer expectations are making digital innovation and operational efficiency essential for long-term survival in the outdoor hospitality market.
May 27, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 27th, 2026

In the May 27, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl, Cara Csizmadia, and Amber Simpson discussed the urgent need for campgrounds to adopt AI and adapt to changing Google search behaviors despite valid environmental reservations. The panel also emphasized that leaning on hyper-local marketing strategies and trusted industry partners is essential for operators to successfully navigate current economic headwinds and lower transient occupancy rates.
April 22, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 22nd, 2026

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl and his guests discuss how AI serves as an invisible intelligence layer to improve park efficiency and guest personalization. They conclude that the technology’s true value lies in automating the back office so that staff can focus entirely on providing an authentic human experience in nature.
March 25, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 25th, 2026

The episode featured Brian Searl, Peter Pilarski, and Mike Lee discussing how AI and shifting search behaviors are transforming discovery and marketing for campground owners and tourism operators, with Peter advocating for “digital authority” through structured website content, schema markup, and entity consistency, while Mike shared how restructuring data on his Campsite Tonight app’s pages tripled his search impressions. All three agreed that small business owners should start with practical steps like optimizing their Google Business Profile and answering real traveler questions on their websites, focusing on one priority at a time rather than trying to tackle everything at once.
February 25, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 25th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led a discussion on the rapid evolution of AI agents and “dark factory” patterns with experts Matt Whitermore, Kurtis Wilkins, Cara Csizmadia, and Patrick Mullen. The panel explored how these technologies are revolutionizing campground operations and digital marketing, emphasizing that even non-technical operators can now leverage high-speed AI tools to build custom software and optimize guest acquisition strategies.
January 28, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 28th, 2026

In a session focused on the future of outdoor hospitality, host Brian Searl and industry experts discussed how AI and automation are being used to streamline operations and enhance the guest experience. The panel emphasized that while technology handles backend efficiency and data-driven tasks, the primary goal remains freeing up staff to provide a more personalized, human touch for campers.
November 26, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – November 26th, 2025

The November 26th episode of MC Fireside Chats featured an in-depth discussion on the accelerating pace of AI, sparked by the new Gemini 3.0 model and the US government’s “Genesis Mission,” with host Brian Searl and guests Kurtis Wilkins, Matt Whitermore, Cara Csizmadia, and special guest Lizzy Bustamante. The panel explored how AI is transforming business operations and slowing job growth, stressing that the outdoor hospitality industry must leverage these tools to enhance the crucial, human-centric guest experience rather than fearing the technological shift.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.