Episodes

Week 1 - Industry Trends & Insights

Each first Wednesday of the month, we dive into the latest trends, market analysis, and predictions in the outdoor hospitality industry. Join industry analysts, market researchers, and outdoor hospitality industry leaders as they unpack topics like market growth, demographic changes, and guest preferences.

April 2, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 2nd, 2025

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl warmly welcomed everyone to another episode, highlighting the theme of data insights and analysis, a core focus for their 2025 discussions. With a touch of humor, he acknowledged the self-explanatory nature of the show’s title, playfully teasing Scott Bahr about the redundancy. He then introduced the returning guest, Simon Neal from Camp Map, and special guests Emily Simmons, President of CONY, and Michael Moore, who wears numerous hats, including those at TACO and AGS, and is now also the President of CAMP. Before diving into the data, a lighthearted exchange ensued about Michael’s sports memorabilia, specifically a jersey, and whether it needed updating given the player’s current status, a conversation that briefly touched on the topic of inflation and its impact on investments. Michael Moore then provided a comprehensive introduction to his various roles, starting with the Texas Association of Campground Owners, affectionately known as TACO, the largest state campground association in the country, boasting nearly 450 member campgrounds. He outlined the association’s diverse range of activities, including lobbying, legislative work, legal support, marketing, and the provision of numerous discount and savings programs. Shifting gears, he spoke about AGS, a company that markets and produces guest guides for campgrounds across almost all 50 states, detailing their work in printing, collateral, and digital marketing. Finally, he touched on his recent election as President of CAMP, an organization that facilitates information sharing and collaboration among state and regional campground associations. Emily Simmons followed, introducing herself as the President of CONY, celebrating her upcoming two-year anniversary in the role. She echoed Michael’s description of association benefits, emphasizing advocacy, education, and cost savings programs, and highlighted the recent successful launch of their virtual conference, “Fire Up Forum,” which was designed to address member feedback and provide accessible, ongoing educational resources. She also noted their membership numbers, currently approaching 200, and their strategic focus on attracting Canadian visitors, given their proximity to the border. The conversation then transitioned to a detailed discussion of data trends, with Simon Neal sharing a presentation from PIN Camp, a major European marketplace for outdoor hospitality. He emphasized the increasing prevalence of online bookings across all age groups, even among those over 70, highlighting the importance of digital accessibility for campgrounds. He then delved into booking behavior, comparing trends from the previous year to the current one, revealing a growing price sensitivity among consumers, with a noticeable shift towards cheaper destinations and shorter stays. This led to a broader discussion about the impact of rising prices on consumer decisions, with contributions from Scott Bahr, Michael Moore, and Emily Simmons, who all shared insights into how these trends were playing out in the US and Canada. Scott Bahr provided additional context, noting that while online booking preferences were generally higher in the US, the trend of older age groups embracing online bookings was consistent across both regions. He also discussed the contrasting data on RV registrations, which were declining in the US but growing in Germany, as highlighted by Simon Neal. The speakers then explored the implications of these trends for campground operators, discussing the need to adapt pricing strategies, enhance value propositions, and focus on customer loyalty. They also touched on the broader economic and political uncertainties influencing consumer behavior, emphasizing the importance of scenario planning and data-driven decision-making. The conversation then shifted to a discussion of association activities, with Emily Simmons detailing CONY’s successful virtual conference, “Fire Up Forum,” and Michael Moore outlining TACO’s upcoming conference and legislative priorities. They both emphasized the importance of providing ongoing education and support to their members, recognizing the diverse needs and challenges faced by campground operators. Michael Moore also discussed his role as President of CAMP, highlighting the organization’s efforts to facilitate collaboration and information sharing among state and regional campground associations, and their upcoming meeting in Washington DC to address key industry issues, including tariffs. Finally, the speakers shared their key data insights and trends for 2025. Simon Neal emphasized the importance of digital bookability and showcasing value propositions, Emily Simmons stressed the significance of consumer sentiment, cost awareness, and clear communication of offerings, Michael Moore advised promoting to existing guests and leveraging data on consumer spending in local communities, and Scott Bahr pointed out the trend of campers staying closer to home, emphasizing the need for local marketing efforts. Brian Searl concluded the discussion by reiterating the importance of paying attention to shifting consumer behaviors and leveraging available data to inform strategic planning.
March 5, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – March 5th, 2025

The March 5, 2025, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured an insightful discussion on key industry trends and challenges, with host Brian Searl joined by recurring guests and new participants. The panel included Miguel Huerta from the Mexican Glamping Association, Simon Neal from Camp Map, Rafael Correa from Blue Water, Matt Whitermore an Outdoor Hospitality Professional, Shari Heilala from Sage Outdoor Hospitality, and Mark Koep, among others. The conversation revolved around the impact of major events, shifting travel patterns, and data-driven strategies for success in the outdoor hospitality industry. Miguel Huerta highlighted the significance of the 2026 FIFA World Cup, which will be hosted across Mexico, Canada, and the U.S., emphasizing the immense potential for campgrounds, glamping sites, and RV parks to capitalize on the surge in tourism. He noted the high demand for alternative accommodations as hotel prices skyrocket, advising operators to begin preparations now. Rafael Correa weighed in on pricing strategies, warning against excessive rate hikes that could deter future guests, and stressed the importance of maintaining value propositions. Simon Neal, offering a European perspective, pointed out that demand for World Cup accommodations will come in waves—early planners booking far in advance and last-minute travelers willing to pay a premium. He emphasized the need for campgrounds to be flexible and ready to accommodate a range of visitors. Rafael added that major events create displacement effects, meaning people who might otherwise visit certain areas could be looking for alternative travel experiences, further benefiting the outdoor hospitality sector. The conversation then shifted to the broader state of the industry. Rafael shared insights from Blue Water’s portfolio, noting a rise in long-term stays, a decline in transient RV bookings, and continued strong demand for vacation rentals and glamping. He attributed the shrinking booking window to guests becoming more accustomed to dynamic pricing and greater availability in the post-pandemic landscape. Shari Heilala supported these observations, highlighting the importance of data in making informed pricing and marketing decisions. A key discussion point was the growing role of long-term stays, not just among full-time RVers but also as a solution to housing affordability issues. Shari pointed out that many people are opting for RV living due to rising housing costs, particularly in regions like Phoenix, where renting a travel trailer is a cost-effective alternative. Brian challenged the assumption that RV owners struggle with housing affordability, but the panelists clarified that many individuals are choosing RV life as a primary living arrangement rather than a leisure activity. Simon Neal provided a European perspective, explaining that while long-term stays are not a major factor in Europe, seasonal migration from northern to southern regions remains strong. However, uncertainty in the market has made travelers more hesitant to book in advance. Mark Koep added that demand for long-term RV stays is particularly high in areas with significant industrial and economic development, such as Texas and Arizona, where workers need flexible, short-term housing solutions. Concerns over international travel trends were also raised, with Miguel revealing that searches for flights from Mexico to the U.S. had dropped by 10%. Similar declines were observed in Canadian cross-border travel, attributed to economic conditions and geopolitical tensions. However, Simon remained optimistic that people will still prioritize travel, even if their habits shift toward regional destinations. Shari emphasized the importance of data-driven decision-making, noting that while past data is helpful, predicting future trends remains challenging due to economic uncertainty and external factors such as inflation and potential national park closures. She recommended operators take a conservative approach while exploring new revenue streams to mitigate risks. The panel also discussed evolving guest expectations, particularly in the glamping sector. Shari revealed that the number of professionally managed glamping units had grown by 11% year over year, with continued rate increases. Matt highlighted the importance of creating unique, experience-driven offerings that differentiate properties from traditional hotels and short-term rentals. Rafael reinforced this idea, noting that the hospitality industry’s competitive advantage lies in fostering community and providing exceptional experiences that hotels and Airbnbs cannot replicate. Wrapping up, panelists shared insights into their respective companies. Rafael introduced Blue Water Hospitality’s management and development services, Matt talked about his new podcast Good Morning Outdoors, and Miguel invited listeners to explore the Mexican Glamping Association’s work. Shari announced the launch of Sage Outdoor Advisory’s glamping data reports, while Simon detailed Camp Map’s innovative digital mapping solutions, now integrated with KOA’s booking platform. The discussion underscored the industry’s need to adapt to changing travel behaviors, leverage data for strategic decision-making, and focus on guest experience to drive long-term success. The episode concluded with Brian teasing the next installment of Outwired, promising an in-depth discussion on humanoid robots, RVIA findings, and emerging trends in outdoor hospitality.
February 5, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – February 5th, 2025

In the February 5th episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed recurring guests Mark Koep, Founder of Campground Views, and Scott Bahr, Principal of Cairn Consulting Group. The special guest for the episode was Angie Whitcomb, President and CEO of Hospitality Minnesota, marking the show’s first episode under its revamped format. Brian kicked off the discussion with lighthearted remarks about his studio setup before diving into key industry topics. Brian introduced Angie Whitcomb, clarifying her name after a humorous mix-up in his notes. Angie provided an overview of Hospitality Minnesota, a statewide association representing over 3,500 members across restaurants, hotels, resorts, and campgrounds. She shared that the organization was formed through a merger of three separate associations just before the COVID-19 pandemic, which shifted their focus from growth to crisis management. Angie emphasized the association’s advocacy efforts, supporting businesses of all sizes with resources and legislative representation. Mark Koep discussed the current state of the camping industry as it transitions into what he termed a “normal” year following the disruptions caused by COVID-19 and the U.S. election cycle. He noted that many park owners who entered the industry during the pandemic boom are now realizing that attracting guests requires consistent marketing efforts. The industry, he explained, is moving away from the automatic high demand seen during the pandemic and facing a more competitive environment. Scott Bahr provided insights from his ongoing research for the upcoming Outdoor Hospitality Report, scheduled for release later in the spring. He noted that while some traditional outdoor activities are waning, new trends are emerging. Scott compared the post-COVID landscape to a natural disaster recovery, where old structures are cleared, making room for new growth. He highlighted the rising popularity of car camping and the associated products, such as rooftop tents and vehicle-attached shelters, which are reshaping outdoor travel behaviors. The discussion shifted to economic conditions affecting the hospitality industry. Angie highlighted Minnesota’s unique challenges, including aggressive minimum wage laws, the absence of a tip credit, and a persistent labor shortage affecting hospitality businesses. Despite reports of increased revenues, many businesses are struggling with profitability due to rising operational costs. Angie stressed that inflation, wage mandates, and workforce shortages are creating financial pressures for both large and small hospitality businesses. Brian and Mark discussed how economic shifts are influencing consumer behavior. Angie pointed out that travelers are becoming more selective, seeking greater value and unique experiences for their money. This trend is evident across campgrounds, hotels, and restaurants, where guests are looking for personalized, memorable experiences rather than just standard amenities. She shared examples from Minnesota, where businesses that focus on exceptional customer service and meaningful guest interactions are outperforming competitors. The conversation explored how technology, particularly artificial intelligence (AI), is transforming the industry. Brian and Mark emphasized that AI can help campground owners analyze customer data, predict trends, and enhance marketing strategies. Mark suggested that campground operators should actively seek feedback from guests to understand why they choose specific destinations, as this information can inform marketing and service improvements. They discussed how AI tools can simplify this process, making advanced data analysis accessible to small business owners. Angie, Brian, and Mark delved into the broader implications of AI and technological advancements, not just for business operations but also for education and workforce development. Angie expressed concerns about the traditional education system’s ability to prepare students for the rapidly changing job market. Brian highlighted the importance of critical thinking and adaptability, suggesting that future success will depend on individuals’ ability to learn and pivot quickly in response to technological advancements. Toward the end of the episode, Brian posed a thought-provoking question: if business owners could make one change to stand out in 2025, what should it be? Angie responded that the key is not a specific amenity but the intangible element of genuine hospitality. She emphasized that personalized service, emotional connections, and memorable guest experiences are what truly set businesses apart. Mark agreed, adding that understanding guest motivations and adapting to their evolving needs is essential for long-term success. The episode wrapped up with reflections on how the outdoor hospitality industry must adapt to shifting economic conditions, technological changes, and evolving consumer preferences. The conversation underscored the importance of data-driven decision-making, personalized guest experiences, and continuous learning to stay competitive in a rapidly transforming landscape. This episode offers valuable insights for campground owners, hospitality professionals, and industry stakeholders navigating the future of outdoor recreation and hospitality.
December 4, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – December 4th, 2024

The December 4, 2024, episode of MC Fireside Chats explored the challenges and opportunities facing the outdoor hospitality industry as it prepares for 2025. Hosted by Brian Searl, the episode featured insights from Scott Bahr, Sandy Ellingson, and Mike Harrison, who collectively emphasized the importance of adapting to shifting consumer behaviors and market conditions. The conversation highlighted key trends, including the decline of traditional camping formats and the growing popularity of alternatives such as glamping and car camping. These shifts underscore the need for campground operators to rethink their strategies and embrace innovation. Scott Bahr opened the discussion with a deep dive into the data, revealing a consistent decline in traditional RVing and camping interest over the past two years. While some markets remain stable, the overall outlook for 2025 suggests a continued downturn. Bahr highlighted how economic factors such as inflation and interest rates, combined with an oversupply of parks, have amplified the challenges. He urged park owners to analyze consumer trends closely and adapt their offerings to align with changing preferences. Mike Harrison provided additional insights into the economic pressures facing the industry. He pointed out that developers and operators who overpaid for properties during the pandemic-driven boom are now grappling with underperformance. Harrison stressed the importance of realism and adaptability, particularly for operators looking to succeed in a more competitive and cost-conscious environment. He advocated for a focus on long-term stays and building partnerships with niche markets, such as traveling professionals and seasonal workers, to ensure stable revenue streams. The conversation also explored how marketing practices must evolve. Harrison and Searl both emphasized the need to leverage technology, including AI, SEO, and social media, to reach broader audiences. However, they noted that traditional strategies, such as Google Ads, are losing relevance as consumer behavior shifts toward more sophisticated, AI-driven search tools. Searl warned that operators must prepare for a rapidly changing digital landscape where visibility will depend on enhanced online presence and targeted messaging. Sandy Ellingson highlighted the need for inclusivity and accessibility in the industry. She stressed that attracting younger generations and first-time campers requires rethinking the entry points into outdoor hospitality. Ellingson pointed out that many parks have eliminated tent camping in favor of higher-revenue RV sites, which may exclude potential new campers. She encouraged operators to embrace emerging trends like car camping and package experiences to draw in diverse demographics, particularly Gen Z, who seek authentic and community-oriented experiences. Another key theme was the role of technology in driving efficiency and enhancing guest experiences. Ellingson noted that while larger resorts are already utilizing advanced tools, smaller mom-and-pop parks lag behind. She urged operators to invest in solutions that streamline operations, improve booking processes, and create memorable guest experiences. These innovations, she argued, are crucial for staying competitive in an increasingly sophisticated market. The group also addressed the need for campground operators to focus on experiential offerings. As consumers prioritize experiences over traditional camping, operators must create multifaceted revenue streams. Examples included food and beverage services, guided outdoor activities, and immersive amenities that add value to a guest’s stay. This shift could also help parks generate loyalty, as guests are more likely to return when they feel they are receiving a comprehensive experience. Bahr and Harrison acknowledged the resistance to change among some operators, particularly smaller park owners. This reluctance to adopt modern practices, such as embracing alternative camping styles or implementing dynamic pricing, could hinder long-term success. They all agreed that education and collaboration across the industry are necessary to bridge this gap and help operators understand the benefits of innovation. The episode concluded with a forward-looking discussion on the transformative potential of AI in the industry. Searl predicted that AI would redefine how guests discover and book outdoor experiences, enabling smarter decision-making and more efficient operations. However, he also cautioned that operators who fail to adapt quickly risk falling behind in a fast-moving market. Ultimately, the episode served as a call to action for the outdoor hospitality industry. They encouraged operators to approach 2025 with a mindset of flexibility and innovation, leveraging data and technology to meet evolving consumer needs. By doing so, they can position themselves not just to survive but to thrive in a rapidly changing market.
November 6, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – November 6th, 2024

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl led a live discussion from the Outdoor Hospitality Conference and Expo (OHCE) with several prominent voices in the industry, including Scott Knepp, Greg Emmert, Melissa Cummings, Ashley Migliaccio, David Basler, Steven Marks, and Hugh Mickel. The session provided a space for these industry experts to share insights on networking, business strategies, and innovations in outdoor hospitality. Brian began the discussion by emphasizing the expo’s value as a platform for campground owners to connect with vendors and gain insights. Scott Knepp, Director of Growth and Development at CRR Hospitality, noted the familiar faces he saw each year, describing OHCE as a “homecoming” that deepened industry connections. For him, the conference was an opportunity to discuss strategies and challenges with a supportive community. Greg Emmert, co-founder of Camp Strategy, observed that this year’s focus on experiential offerings marked a shift in the industry. More owners and operators were looking to create unique guest experiences rather than simply providing basic amenities. He saw this as a powerful way to differentiate parks and noted that the trend was gaining momentum among attendees. David Basler, Chief Strategy Officer at OHI, shared strategic changes to OHCE, including adjustments to the expo layout. The new structure allowed attendees to transition between educational sessions and the expo floor, reducing the pressure to rush and facilitating more in-depth conversations. He also highlighted the Hosted Buyer Program, which provided campground owners with focused one-on-one time to explore relevant products and services. Ashley Migliaccio, a third-generation campground owner from Connecticut, spoke about the friendships and professional connections she built at OHCE, which she credited with improving her business practices. This year, she focused on finding fiber optic internet solutions for her campground to accommodate guests working remotely. Ashley found the expo to be invaluable for learning about new solutions tailored to her specific needs. Melissa Cummings, representing Camp Riverview and Silverthread Base Camp, discussed the educational sessions she attended, which provided practical tips for profitability and cost-saving measures. While she usually approached the expo with a set agenda, this year she explored without a fixed plan, discovering new solutions like Steven Marks’ menu design advice that she felt would benefit her campgrounds directly. Steven Marks from Ideal One, a point-of-sale software company, highlighted the expo’s open layout, which encouraged spontaneous networking and genuine connections. He explained that while his company traditionally focused on family entertainment, they saw exciting possibilities in campgrounds and valued OHCE for helping them understand campground operators’ unique needs. Hugh Mickel, a civil engineer specializing in wastewater treatment, provided insight into the challenges campground owners face in managing waste. Representing Infiltrator, he shared how his company’s solutions could help campgrounds meet these needs sustainably. Hugh saw OHCE as an opportunity to educate owners about sustainable waste management options, especially as many parks expand their operations. David elaborated on OHI’s approach to planning OHCE, noting that planning for future events began almost immediately after the current expo wrapped up. He shared that OHI aimed to create a balanced experience that included learning, networking, and social activities, all of which contributed to a welcoming atmosphere where attendees felt comfortable sharing ideas. Brian then asked the panel what they would take back to their businesses. Ashley shared that she planned to implement ideas from her own session on creating sensory-friendly spaces, inspired by the enthusiastic response. Her session focused on making campgrounds more inclusive by accommodating guests with sensory sensitivities. Melissa expressed her commitment to follow up with the new connections she made at the expo, emphasizing the importance of consistent communication with vendors. She planned to share her insights with her team and incorporate improvements immediately. Steven echoed this sentiment, underscoring his goal to promptly fulfill commitments he made to campground owners during the expo. Scott highlighted that CRR Hospitality would work on applying broader industry insights gained at OHCE to expand their service offerings. He felt inspired to increase CRR’s engagement with industry associations, not only to benefit his business but to contribute to the outdoor hospitality community. Greg emphasized the importance of maintaining the post-conference momentum and staying connected with new contacts. He acknowledged that events like OHCE could be exhausting, but he saw value in following through with clients and connections to build long-term relationships. In closing, Brian asked David for his perspective on advancing the outdoor hospitality industry. David emphasized community and collaboration as critical to industry growth. He encouraged attendees to share their OHCE experiences with others, broadening awareness of OHI’s resources and fostering a stronger network among campground owners. The episode ended with an invitation to join OHCE 2025 in Louisville, Kentucky, and a reminder that fostering connections is essential for the continued success of the outdoor hospitality industry.
October 2, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 2nd, 2024

In the October 2, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, led a dynamic discussion live from the Glamping Show Americas in Denver. The show featured a stellar lineup of industry leaders and experts from various parts of the world, all sharing their perspectives on the growing glamping industry and its international reach. The panel included recurring guests Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo from the Mexican Glamping Association, Chris Jeub from Monument Glamping, and Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy. Special guests included Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, Jason Thawley of Tree Tent International, Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland, and a special appearance by William Clark from Fiji. The show began with each guest briefly introducing themselves. Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, which manages upscale luxury glamping and RV resorts, expressed his excitement about being part of the American Glamping Show again. He described the show as a “Christmas” for the glamping community, echoing sentiments from several panelists. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo, representing the Mexican Glamping Association, also described the event as a significant annual gathering, akin to a holiday, filled with excitement and innovation for the glamping world. Greg Emmert, a consultant with Camp Strategy, shared his enthusiasm for the diverse range of attendees and vendors from across the globe. Newcomer Jason Thawley, the founder of Tree Tent International, introduced his company’s unique suspended tree structures, which were being shown for the first time at the U.S. glamping show. Thawley expressed gratitude for the warm welcome his company received in the American market, noting that the U.S. glamping industry is highly organized, with business owners who have done their research and understand the market. He compared the U.S. show favorably to the UK glamping show, which he said doesn’t quite capture the same energy and diversity. Joanna Reimann from FDomes in Poland discussed the growth of her company and how their innovative geodesic domes have become popular worldwide, especially in the U.S. market. She shared that this was the third year in a row her company was exhibiting at the glamping show, and they were once again premiering new products, including a new camping tent and outdoor furniture line. Joanna spoke about FDomes’ dedication to supporting their clients throughout the entire process of setting up a glamping operation, emphasizing the importance of educating people about what glamping is, especially in countries like Poland, where the concept is still relatively new. Chris Jeub, the self-proclaimed “Glamping Guy,” shared his experiences operating a glamping site in Colorado. He reflected on the rapid growth of the industry, noting how five years ago, glamping was a term he had to explain to everyone. Today, glamping has exploded into a creative, dynamic industry with a wide variety of accommodation types, from domes to treehouses, container homes, and even buses. Chris emphasized the importance of creativity and flexibility in the glamping industry, as operators continue to innovate and create unique guest experiences. He also teased his upcoming educational course, “Easy Entry to Glamping Business,” which he plans to offer internationally to help aspiring glamping operators get started. The conversation then turned to Tomás Rodas Calderó from Ecuador’s Starwild Glamping, who shared insights about the emerging glamping market in Ecuador and other parts of Latin America. He explained that while the glamping industry in Ecuador is still in its infancy, there has been significant growth in recent years. Tomás described how his company has seen domes being used for a wide range of purposes, not just for glamping but also for schools, designer stores, and even churches. He noted that Ecuador’s more relaxed zoning laws for rural areas make it easier to establish glamping operations, offering significant potential for growth. However, he also pointed out that there is still a need for better business planning and operational expertise in the region, which presents an opportunity for development. Miguel Ángel Huerta Vallejo highlighted the diversity of the attendees at the show, particularly the growing number of Latino and Latin American participants. He praised the inclusive atmosphere of the event and shared his thoughts on the evolution of the glamping industry in Mexico. He discussed how recent regulations in Mexico, such as limits on Airbnb rentals, are driving developers to invest in glamping sites instead. This shift, he said, will further boost the popularity of glamping in Mexico, especially in areas like the Firefly Sanctuary near Mexico City, where local guides and workers are now able to remain employed year-round thanks to glamping operations. A significant part of the discussion focused on the international expansion of glamping. The panelists explored how glamping has evolved in different countries, including challenges like regulatory hurdles, land use, and zoning laws. Chris Jeub and Greg Emmert discussed how U.S. states are beginning to embrace more flexible land-use laws, particularly with regards to accessory dwelling units (ADUs), which could help further the expansion of glamping operations. Greg Emmert pointed out that the glamping show has provided a platform for innovation, noting that some of the prices for glamping units have adjusted to more reasonable levels, making it easier for operators to build financially sustainable businesses. The conversation then touched on the global growth of glamping associations. Miguel Ángel Huerta shared his excitement about the Mexican Glamping Association’s progress and how other countries have expressed interest in creating their own associations. He joked about the possibility of a “Confederation of Glamping Associations” in the future but emphasized that the growing number of organizations dedicated to glamping reflects the industry’s increasing international appeal. At this point, William Clark from Fiji posed an important question about the possibility of forming an international glamping association. He highlighted how an international organization could help link the various national associations and provide a platform for sharing information, resources, and best practices. The panelists agreed that while forming a global association would be challenging due to the vast differences in regulations and market conditions across countries, there is immense value in fostering better communication and collaboration between existing national organizations. The discussion also touched on labor and staffing challenges in rural and remote areas. Mike Harrison pointed out that while staffing has been a challenge for many hospitality operators, the glamping industry provides a unique opportunity to foster a sense of community and connection. He emphasized that passion, drive, and a love for hospitality are more important than formal education in succeeding in this industry. Miguel Ángel Huerta noted that in Latin America, labor costs are lower, and workers often live near the glamping sites, which can add a personal touch to the guest experience. To wrap up the episode, Brian Searl asked the panelists to share their thoughts on how to inspire passion for hospitality in staff and employees. Mike Harrison responded that while passion cannot be taught, it can be inspired through leadership and fostering a culture of enthusiasm for hospitality. He emphasized the importance of education and creating opportunities for learning, whether through in-person events like the glamping show or online resources like the American Glamping University, which offers comprehensive courses on setting up and running glamping operations. The episode concluded with a sense of excitement about the future of the glamping industry, both in the U.S. and internationally. The panelists expressed optimism about the continued growth of glamping as a global phenomenon, driven by innovation, creativity, and a shared passion for providing unique, memorable outdoor experiences. The glamping show, with its diverse array of products and ideas, was described as a hub of inspiration and networking, bringing together people from all corners of the world to share their knowledge and passion for this rapidly evolving industry.
September 4, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – September 4th, 2024 

In the September 4th, 2024 edition of MC Fireside Chats, guest host Mark Koep filled in for Brian Searl and welcomed a panel of outdoor hospitality experts, including Jeff Hoffman, Sandy Ellingson, Scott Bahr, Mike Harrison, and special guest Luisana Méndez from Huellas Latinas. The episode explored key topics in the outdoor hospitality industry and community engagement. Luisana Méndez, the leader of Huellas Latinas, a Minnesota-based nonprofit, shared how her organization promotes outdoor activities within the Latino community. Huellas Latinas helps immigrants and refugees overcome language barriers, transportation issues, and lack of information to experience outdoor recreation. Luisana noted that many newcomers to the U.S. prioritize work and education initially, with recreation often falling to the background. As they settle in, Huellas Latinas helps them find confidence in outdoor activities by offering guidance on navigating parks, safety, and proper gear, especially for Minnesota’s cold winters. Luisana emphasized that Huellas Latinas primarily serves the first generation of immigrants from various Latin American countries. While they all share a common language, cultural differences add complexity to the group’s dynamic. Mark Koep inquired about funding, and Luisana shared that Huellas Latinas is supported by contracts with parks and agencies, along with grants like the one received from Together Outdoors. She also highlighted the importance of the organization in creating a sense of belonging for the Latino community through outdoor experiences. The conversation transitioned to industry trends, where Sandy Ellingson discussed concerns over a projected 55% drop in RV travel during Labor Day weekend, based on RV Industry Association data. Although some parks had successful weekends, there was a significant decline in bookings for the fall season, especially with snowbirds delaying their travel due to election-related anxieties. Mike Harrison echoed this, saying that while their luxury RV and glamping properties performed well, the overall industry is facing slower growth compared to previous years. Scott Bahr highlighted a growing disconnect between outdoor recreation enthusiasts and campground stays. He noted an increase in trail usage, yet campgrounds aren’t seeing proportional growth. This gap, according to Scott, represents a key opportunity for the outdoor hospitality industry to better engage with this group, perhaps through more strategic marketing. Mike and Jeff Hoffman discussed broader market conditions, with Mike pointing out a potential oversupply of parks built during the pandemic. He stressed the importance of maintaining good operations, as only the well-run parks will thrive as the market slows. Jeff predicted a shakeout in the industry, where those relying on overinflated demand may struggle. The group also touched on the growing glamping trend ahead of the glamping show. Scott and Mike expressed enthusiasm for the event, where they’ll present industry insights. Sandy, while a fan of glamping, warned that it’s becoming a competitor to traditional campgrounds, as travelers are often choosing the convenience of glamping over RV or tent camping. The session concluded with a forward-looking discussion, with panelists predicting challenges and opportunities in the coming months, including industry shifts and trends in winter camping. Overall, the episode highlighted both concerns, such as slowing RV travel, and opportunities for growth, especially in reaching new and diverse communities through innovative outreach.
August 7, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – August 7th, 2024 

In the MC Fireside Chats episode on August 7th, 2024, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion primarily focused on adapting business strategies in the outdoor hospitality industry amid changing consumer behaviors and economic conditions. Initially, the episode saw a humorous start with Brian joking about how he and Scott Bahr could have monopolized the conversation due to other scheduled guests like Mark Koep, Jeff Hoffman, and Sandy Ellingson having conflicts, though Jeff eventually joined the discussion. As the chat progressed, Scott elaborated on the significance of data in understanding and responding to how weather impacts customer decisions, especially highlighting the differences between RVers and tent campers in their likelihood to change plans due to weather conditions. This led into a deeper exploration of how campgrounds can leverage this information to enhance their services, such as offering weather-specific accommodations or flexible booking policies to accommodate last-minute changes. Jeff Hoffman later contributed to the conversation by emphasizing the importance of adapting to customer needs during unpredictable weather, suggesting that campgrounds could introduce options like weather insurance to retain customers who might otherwise cancel their plans. He also shared insights on how campgrounds can maintain engagement with guests through indoor activities or alternative lodging options like cabins or glamping setups when bad weather deters traditional camping. Sandy Ellingson added her perspective on the industry trends, particularly pointing out the strategic necessity for campground owners to be more accommodating and proactive in their marketing efforts. She discussed how understanding and reacting to shorter booking windows and regional travel preferences can help businesses remain competitive and attractive to a customer base that is increasingly looking for flexibility and convenience in their travel plans. The episode encapsulated a wide range of strategies for campground owners to consider, from immediate responses to weather changes to longer-term adjustments in marketing and customer engagement practices. Each speaker brought a unique viewpoint, collectively underscoring the need for agility and forward-thinking in the evolving landscape of outdoor hospitality.
July 3, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 3rd, 2024

Hosted by Brian Searl, this edition of MC Fireside Chats delved into the nuances of outdoor hospitality with a focus on point-of-sale (POS) systems and group camping dynamics. Guests included Scott Bahr, Casey Cochran, Jeff Hoffman, Sandy Ellingson, Mike Harrison, and Amir Harpaz, each bringing their expertise from various corners of the RV and camping industry. The episode kicked off with introductions from the recurring guests who outlined their roles and current projects. Sandy Ellingson highlighted a new app launch, aimed at enhancing RV and campground interactions. The guests briefly touched on their experiences with booking and managing group camping, an ongoing challenge in the industry that demands innovative solutions. Amir Harpaz initiated the conversation on POS systems, emphasizing the need for integration with property management systems (PMS) to streamline operations within campgrounds. This led to a broader discussion on the best practices for implementing POS systems that cater to both small snack bars and full-scale restaurant operations within campgrounds. Scott Bahr shared insights from recent research focusing on the dynamics of group camping. He noted that group campers are particularly loyal and enjoy the social aspect of camping with friends or family. The discussion then shifted to the logistical challenges of accommodating groups, including booking processes and site management. Casey Cochran from Campspot shared how their software aids in managing group bookings more efficiently. Mike Harrison discussed the luxury RV resort perspective, emphasizing the importance of upscale amenities and seamless service integration. He also touched on how technology, like NFC wristbands, although not universally popular, can enhance the guest experience by facilitating easy access and payments. Guests discussed operational challenges associated with POS systems, like integration complexities and the balance between tech-enhanced guest service and traditional camping experiences. Jeff Hoffman and Sandy Ellingson highlighted the need for campground owners to stay abreast of technological advancements to remain competitive and meet guest expectations. The conversation concluded with a look at future trends in the industry, including the growing demand for integrated technology solutions and enhanced group facilities. The experts agreed that the ability to adapt to guest needs and technological advancements will be crucial for the continued success of campground operations. Brian Searl wrapped up the episode by encouraging listeners to stay connected with MC Fireside Chats for more insights and discussions on evolving trends in the outdoor hospitality industry. The episode underscored the importance of community, technology, and innovation in shaping the future of camping and RV experiences.

Recurring Guests

Scott Bahr

Scott Bahr

Cairn Consulting Group
Simon Neal

Simon Neal

CampMap
Miguel Huerta

Miguel Huerta

Mexican Glamping Association
Rafael Correa

Rafael Correa

Blue Water Development
Eleonore Hamm

Eleonore Hamm

RVDA Canada
Phil Ingrassia

Phil Ingrassia

RVDA
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

Texas Association of Campground Owners (TACO)

Week 2 - Building Park Value

The second Wednesday of the month focuses on how to build and evaluate park equity physically, operationally, and financially. With insights from designers, operational experts, active park owners, and valuation specialists, this episode covers physical master planning, strategic amenity investments, revenue generation, market valuation, and how to maximize the price your property commands when it’s time to sell.

September 9, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 9th, 2026

During the September 9, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders and the owners of Prairie Junction RV Resort highlighted how shifting the focus from basic accommodations to hyper-curated, themed guest experiences—supported by low-cost experiential amenities, modernized technology, and a deeply empowered staff—can drive massive guest loyalty and operational success.
August 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – August 12th, 2026

In the August 12, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry leaders emphasized that as the outdoor hospitality market faces softening transient RV demand and rising financial pressures, operators must strategically adapt their accommodation mixes and relentlessly prioritize genuine guest connections to maintain profitability.
July 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 8th, 2026

In the July 8, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, industry experts explored strategies for thriving in the evolving outdoor hospitality market, emphasizing the success of targeting underserved niches, the practical necessity of grid-tied infrastructure over off-grid setups, and the profitability of pivoting to high-value, curated group retreats.
June 10, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – June 10th, 2026

The June 10th, 2026 episode of MC Fireside Chats highlights how outdoor hospitality operators can actively drive occupancy by leveraging targeted social media content, hyper-specific buyer personas, and AI-discoverable local features. The panel also addresses tightening macroeconomic trends, concluding that operators must double down on proactive marketing to capture travelers shifting from costly flights to road trips.
May 13, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – May 13th, 2026

Hosted by Brian Searl, this episode of MC Fireside Chats featured Jeremy Johnson and Zach Stoltenberg discussing the complexities of dynamic pricing and the industry’s shift toward non-RV accommodations. Meanwhile, special guests Travis Chambers and Joy de Vos highlighted the growing demand for experiential travel by sharing their unique, immersive projects—ranging from cinematic, off-grid micro-resorts to educational, working dairy farms.
April 8, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 8th, 2026

The April 8th, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats featured industry leaders discussing the critical balance between implementing highly intuitive automated tech and preserving the authentic outdoor experience. The panel highlighted actionable strategies for maximizing revenue and tax benefits through premium cabin investments, while navigating upcoming challenges in Class A fire regulations, site-specific architectural design, and ADA accessibility.
March 11, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – March 11th, 2026

Host Brian Searl led an industry-focused discussion with experts Jayne Cohen, Casey Cochran, Jeremy Johnson, Shawn Verbrugghe, and Serg Mashkov to explore how economic shifts, luxury accommodation trends, and unique experiential programming are redefining the future of outdoor hospitality.
February 12, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – February 12th, 2026

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, Joe Duemig hosts John McMahon of Camp Door County, who shares how his new resort uses “intentional” guest experiences like mushroom foraging, stargazing, and mountain bike trails to build a unique brand identity. The panel, including Casey Cochran and Zach Stoltenberg, discusses how these curated activities and strategic local partnerships drive transient demand and guest loyalty without relying solely on traditional amenities or aggressive price discounting.
January 14, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – January 14th, 2026

The first Guest Experience episode of MC Fireside Chats in 2026 brought together U.S. and UK industry leaders to examine land use economics, guest segmentation, and how differing markets approach revenue, design, and experience. The panel agreed that future growth depends less on uniform luxury builds and more on aligning amenities, add-on revenue, and immersive, nature-driven experiences with clearly defined guest expectations, supported by smarter use of data.

Recurring Guests

Tom Mason, IVEE Group

Tom Mason

IVEE Group
Zach Stoltenberg, Clockwork

Zach Stoltenberg

Clockwork

Landan Dory

North Star Brokerage & Advisory

Jayne Cohen, Campground Consulting Group

Jayne Cohen

Campground Consulting Group

Scott Foos, Horizon Outdoor Hospitality

Scott Foos

Horizon Outdoor Hospitality
Jeremy Johnson, Kona Hills Campground

Jeremy Johnson

Kona Hills Campground
Kaleigh Day, Surf Junction Campground

Kaleigh Day

Surf Junction Campground

Week 3 - Business Operations and Management

On the third Wednesday, we tackle the operational side of running a successful campground. This episode features operations consultants and experts discussing strategies for staff management, technology integration, and maintaining profitability while navigating challenges.

August 16, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 16th, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by Modern Campground, a lively discussion unfolded around the topic of family preferences at resorts and campgrounds. Host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Joe Duemig from App My Community and Sean Vidrine from Four Points RV Resorts, and special guest Lee Anne Miracle from Tiger Trail RV Resort , each bringing their unique perspectives to the table. Joe Duemig began by emphasizing the importance of amenities in attracting families to resorts. He shared personal anecdotes about how his children are particularly drawn to resorts that offer features like lazy rivers, swimming pools, and fun water slides. Joe recounted a memorable visit to the Jellystone in Pittsfield, highlighting how such amenities make certain resorts more memorable for children and increase the likelihood of return visits. Sean Vidrine, who manages the Jellystone in Pittsfield, chimed in with details about the park’s vast array of water equipment. He proudly mentioned the recent additions to the park, including two large water slides and jumping pillows. Sean also delved into the strategic aspect of park management, discussing the balance between expanding amenities and increasing the number of sites and cabins. He emphasized the importance of analyzing demand and ensuring that amenities cater to the needs of the guests. Lee Anne Miracle introduced the upcoming Tiger Trails RV Resort, slated to open on September 1st. She explained the inspiration behind the resort’s name, drawing a connection to the local sports team’s mascot, the Tigers. Lee Anne’s enthusiasm for the new resort was palpable, and she extended an invitation to Joe and his family to experience the amenities firsthand. The conversation then shifted to the concept of day-use offerings. Sean elaborated on how parks could generate additional revenue by allowing non-staying visitors to use their amenities for a fee. He mentioned that such offerings are market-specific and need to be balanced to ensure that they don’t impact the experience of staying guests. Joe appreciated the idea of day-use offerings, especially during off-peak days. He shared insights from another customer in Louisiana who successfully implemented a day-use program, allowing locals to enjoy the park’s amenities during specific time slots. The panel also touched upon the power of word-of-mouth marketing. Joe emphasized how positive experiences at campgrounds can lead to long-term brand loyalty, with families recommending the resorts to friends and relatives. As the discussion neared its end, Brian highlighted the importance of understanding guest preferences and continuously evolving to meet their needs. He expressed interest in revisiting the topic in the future to gauge the progress of the discussed strategies. In conclusion, the episode of MC Fireside Chats provided valuable insights into the world of resorts and campgrounds. The shared experiences and strategies underscored the importance of guest-centric amenities and the potential for innovative revenue streams.
On July 19th, we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
July 19, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 19th, 2023

On the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats last July 19 presented by Modern Campground host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Nate Thompson from KCN Campgrounds and Scott Knepp from IVEE Group and special guests Justin Hogatt and Adam Lendi from Beyonder Camp, Mark Lemoine from St. Joseph KOA Holiday and Shannon Connolly of Roamstead. The conversation begins with Shannon discussing her experience of acquiring a park and the challenges she faced in the process. She mentions the difficulties of dealing with weather-related delays and other issues such as plumbing and septic problems. She also expresses her envy of the more favorable weather conditions in Tennessee and Michigan for construction. Mark shares his experience of managing a successful seasonal park. He talks about the work involved in maintaining the park, including physical work, marketing, and financial management. He also mentions how his life situation has changed over time, with his children growing up and leaving home, which has allowed him and his wife to travel and enjoy their time. Adam and Justin discuss their approach to acquiring parks and managing properties. They mention that they started with cash-flowing properties that would generate income from day one. They also talk about their interest in properties that have potential for expansion and development. They mention that they are now starting to get into the ground-up development space. The participants discuss the different types of clientele they encounter, from mom-and-pop folks looking to sell or maintain their parks, to institutional investors with large hotel portfolios. They also mention the importance of high-end reporting and sophisticated property management system capabilities for attracting sophisticated clients. The conversation shifts to the topic of pricing and the balance between raising prices to match the quality of services and amenities provided, and keeping prices affordable for long-time guests. Mark mentions that as the quality of their park improved, they were able to raise prices, and most guests were willing to pay more for the improved experience. The participants discuss the competition from state and federal parks, which offer amenities similar to those of private parks but at lower prices. They also discuss the demand for high-end amenities and experiences, and the importance of understanding their demographic and the market they want to target. The video ends with the participants expressing their appreciation for the discussion and looking forward to future events and discussions. They also mention the importance of providing a high-quality experience for their guests, who often stay for several days, and the opportunities and challenges that come with managing a park.
On April 19, 2023, MC Fireside Chats welcomed Daniel as our special guest.
April 19, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 19, 2023

April 19 Episode Recap On the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, host brian Searl highlighted the importance of branding in campground business. He also mentioned how Zapier automation had helped him save time and how he had used it to improve the efficiency of his employees. On the other hand, Ali and Eric Rasmussen, Co-Founders of Spacious Skies Campgrounds, talked about their husband-and-wife team dynamics. Eric focused on acquisition, capital markets, and asset management, while Ali focused on operations, running the campground, brand development, and marketing. The couple started their business from scratch and now focusing on perfecting their business process. Travis John, Founder of CamperDAO, discussed how they aimed to democratize the ability to vote and make decisions using blockchain technology. CamperDAO is a community-driven project that aims to organize modern millennial campers through communication and committees to organize businesses. The goal is to crowd-fund 10,000 fellow RVers to buy their first campground. Nate Thompson, Founder of KCN Campground, shared their model of upgrading underutilized campgrounds and the usage of automated text messaging for guests. He also mentioned the importance of having a consumer-focused website and his insights on the use of AI in sending messages and recommendations to guests. Overall, the podcast provided valuable insights into the camping and outdoor industry. From brand building to automation and the use of innovative technologies such as blockchain and AI, the founders shared a wealth of knowledge and experience that is sure to benefit anyone interested in the industry.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
March 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 15th, 2023

On the March 15th edition of MC Fireside Chats, a panel of industry experts convened to share their experiences and insights. The episode, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, featured recurring guests Joe Duemig of App My Community and Scott Knepp of IVEE Group, alongside special guests Thomas Bales and Jake Schmitz, co-founders of Lagos Collective and owners of Swan Lake Resort & Campground. Host Brian Searl led the discussion with Tom and Jake from Lagos Collective, a group of five young entrepreneurs who unexpectedly found themselves in the campground business after initially planning to build a workshop and cabins on a private plot of land in Minnesota. Instead, they purchased Swan Lake Resort and Campground, embracing the challenge of honoring the existing culture and expectations of long-time guests while adapting their original vision to run the campground effectively. The group candidly shared their journey, emphasizing the importance of due diligence when purchasing a campground, as well as meeting code and regulations to avoid future problems. Scott Knepp advised potential campground buyers to pay the right people to do the right things, as expertise is invaluable during the acquisition process. Reflecting on their growth as campground owners, Tom and Jake expressed their gratitude for the tight-knit community of resort owners and the wealth of resources available. Joe Duemig highlighted the value of vendors in providing information and training for their products. At the same time, Scott Knepp stressed the benefits of being part of a portfolio with a third-party manager for access to a shared knowledge base and weekly management calls. The panel also touched upon the role of technology in the outdoor hospitality industry, particularly the potential benefits and challenges of artificial intelligence. While AI can create high-quality content and help users navigate complex systems more easily, the panel acknowledged the potential dangers of AI, such as the spread of fake news or misinformation. The group also explored the evolving landscape of SEO and how it may change over time. Lastly, the podcast introduced a new initiative called MC Masterclass, aimed at providing free courses and resources for campground owners and operators. This highlights the growing interest in using audio formats like podcasts to share information and learn from industry peers. With a focus on networking, relationship-building, and technology as a tool to enhance the guest experience, the panel on MC Fireside Chats offered valuable insights for both new and seasoned campground owners.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 15, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – February 15, 2023

The week’s edition of MC Fireside Chats centered on the recent happenings in the RV and camping industries. Host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Mike Harrison from CRR Lifestyle and Joe Duemig of App My Community, as well as special guests New Jersey Campground Owners and Outdoor Lodging Association Executive Director Joann Delvescio and Harvest Host CEO Joel Holland. The group opened the discussion around the Mid-Atlantic Conference for Campground Owners, an opportunity to for networking and learning for the park owners and key players in the industry. It will be held in Orlando, Florida, this February 27 to March 1. They shared their experiences attending trade shows and emphasized the importance of networking with campground owners and offering value through products and services. They also discussed upcoming conferences in the spring, including the Ohio Ocus, the Northeast Camping Association, the Waco Association of Campground Owners camp Michigan, and the California Outdoor Hospitality Association. The Mid-Atlantic Conference provides an opportunity for the industry to come together and learn from each other. It offers an early bird special registration offer of $250, which includes 10 sessions, lunch, and dinner on Monday and Tuesday. Joel Holland also talked about his latest project, the Campers Card, a free marketing program for campgrounds that provides RV campers with discounts and perks. The program does not require any special software, contracts, or fees for campgrounds to join, and the team is developing a new website that will launch with the product in April. They aim to address the challenge of RV travel discovery by investing in product development and marketing to attract RVers to the program. The group discussed the challenges of balancing marketing and spamming customers and the importance of offering perks and discounts tailored to individual campgrounds. They also discussed the changing trends in the camping industry, with people having higher disposable incomes and looking for a wider range of amenities. The conversation concluded with Joann sharing information about her camping and RV show and encouraging individuals to attend. Overall, the podcast highlights the need for flexibility and understanding the needs of both RVers and campground owners to make the camping and RV industry successful. The discussion also emphasized the importance of networking and learning opportunities offered through trade shows and conferences.
On January 18, 2023, MC Rescue Chats had the pleasure of being joined by Duncan Aguilar for this week's fireside chat.
January 18, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – January 18, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, show hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia discussed the possible opportunities and challenges that AI usage may bring to the campground and RV industry. Joining them for this discussion are recurring guest Papoose Pond Co-Owner Duncan Winship and special guest Outdoor Venture Partners Managing Partner Andrew Garcia. The group discussed various topics, such as the effects of using AI for customer service, enforcing campground rules, increasing bookings, and marketing. They also emphasized the limitations of AI technology and the need for more data to enhance its capabilities to make decisions. They also discussed the possibility of using robots for security and other purposes in campgrounds. Garcia, who is also an owner of two campgrounds, one of which is fairly recently developed, shared his thoughts on how new players in the outdoor hospitality industry can bring in new energy and ideas. He expressed staff challenges and how catering to the demands of guests is important. “The use of AI in the campground industry is a game changer. It helps us to provide a more personalized experience to our guests while still maintaining a sense of security,” he said. “The possibilities of AI in the campground industry are endless. It will make the process of customer service, rule enforcement, and marketing more efficient, which in turn will help to improve the guest experience,” said Winship. The group’s discussion shifted to the idea of using AI to improve campground operations’ efficiency and utilizing virtual reality in attending conferences and networking like the upcoming Canadian Outdoor Hospitality Conference 2023, organized by the Canadian Camping & RV Council, which will be done purely virtual. They also discussed the potential of AI tools such as GPT-4 and its potential impact on the RV industry. MC Fireside Chats is a podcast that discusses the latest trends and challenges in the campground and RV industry with experts. The show is hosted by Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia. The latest episode is available now and can be found on the show’s website or on popular podcast platforms.
This week, on December 21st, we were joined by MC Fire Chats during our MC Fireside Chats episode.
December 21, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – December 21st, 2022

This year has been a rollercoaster ride for the outdoor hospitality, outdoor recreation, RV, glamping, and campground industries. While the sectors had their fair share of struggles, they also celebrated victories and accomplishments. In this year-ender episode of MC Fireside Chats, we brought back industry experts to look back and discuss learning points from this year. Industry experts Connor Schwab, Scott Knepp, Jeff Hoffman, Phil Ingrassia, Curtis Hemmeler, Rich Schnippel, and Mike Harrison talked about the state of the campground and outdoor hospitality industry in 2022 and what they are looking forward to in 2023. Jeff Hoffman, Founder of JH Consulting Solutions, reflects on how the industry fared in 2022. Phil Ingrassia, RVDA’s executive director anticipates another busy year for the industry. Ingrassia said the final numbers for 2022 aren’t done, but the data projection for RV wholesale shipments is just under 500,000–a product of the normalization of production. Curtis Hemmeler, President of RVTI, talked about the milestone the institute achieved as they continue to produce more certified RV technicians to solve the RV industry’s shortage of trained technicians and to implement metrics to track the RV customer experience. Hemmeler proudly announced that by December 31st, RVTI has added over 1,200 trained and certified technicians. Rich Schnippel, founder and president of Encore RV had seen a bright 2022 and anticipates challenges in 2023 due to economic uncertainties. Schnippel is hopeful that the economy will stabilize for the benefit of the industry. Scott Knepp, director of operations at IVEE Group shared the impact of gas prices and inflation on consumer confidence. Knepp believes the future looks bright and is hoping for normalization and stabilization in the industry. CRR Lifestyle’s Mike Harrison looked at the challenges of this year and the uncertainties of the coming year as an opportunity for park owners to innovate, pivot, and think outside the box. Connor Schwab of Sage Outdoor Hospitality highlighted the importance of tracking outdoor hospitality data for future park owners. Overall, the guests reflected on the challenges and successes of the campground, RV, and outdoor hospitality industries in 2022 and look forward to the potential for continued growth and innovation in 2023. They touched on topics such as the popularity of glamping, the impact of the pandemic on the RV industry, and the increasing demand for outdoor travel and experiences.
On July 6th, 2022, we had the pleasure of hosting MC Fireside Chats.
November 16, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – November 16th, 2022

This week on MC Fireside Chats, this special edition of the show takes place at this year’s KOA Convention & Expo! Podcast host, Brian Searl, is joined by KOA campground owners around the country. KOA President & CEO Toby O’Rourke, Brigham City KOA’s James Settlemire, KCN Campgrounds’ Nate Thompson, Sandusky/Bayshore KOA’s Jeff Hoffman, and Raton, New Mexico KOA’s Grant Robertson joined today’s show, discussing KOA’s and the camping industry’s direction in the future. The show kicked off with Toby O’Rourke telling KOA’s new direction and mentality moving forward, especially since the organization recently experienced its best year in their history. She said it was time to look back and “think like a start-up” company once again since they have been in business for 60 years. It could help KOA learn how they can keep growing as an organization and “be mission-driven.” She added that the companies that started at the same time as they did 60 years ago are no longer in business, so they don’t want KOA to be disrupted and go out like the others. She believes it’s best to keep looking for ways to improve. She mentioned some future projects of the organization, like ideating new technology, data analysis, and other equipment that can help them and their franchisees go to the next level. The discussion continued with Jeff Hoffman explaining the status of his KOA and its ongoing plans, then his recent experience in the event’s session, especially how deserving the campgrounds who won this year’s awards in the KOA awards show. James Settlemire said KOA has always been hands-on when it comes to supporting the operations of its franchisees and their entrepreneurial spirit. And, how the conference was always about the people in the industry, giving them to keep up with change and adapt to recent times. As a first-timer in the convention, Nate Thompson shared how impressed he was with KOA and their use of data analytics, determining their best course of action. He said he wants to keep using the organization’s support and technology to help grow and improve his campground. As someone who’s been going to the convention for 20 years, Grant Robertson said that people are becoming increasingly interactive with each other, sharing how their respective campgrounds improved through the years. “They dont ask franchisees to change without trying some actions first. KOA doesn’t demand change [immediately]. They first suggest action plans and what could work, helping [franchisees] slowly but surely adapt to the changing times without disrupting them too much,” he said. He said KOA has been supportive and meeting the expectations of their franchisees and customers, giving each the best experience possible. The current KOA makes them feel valued and provides value in the work they do. Nate shared that he loved the startup mentality since he started in a few tech companies in the past, understanding the direction. He has lived the experience of trying something new then keep it if it works, then moving forward if it failed. It allows them to learn. James. the guests coming in has changed, and they are not just staying in their RV, they want to go around the area and experience the outdoors. He likes the experience of trying something new and learning from it. He is excited about how KOA will understand the new guest demographic coming in their campgrounds. Jeff said KOA does a great job helping their people, from the new members to the old. They provide the support they need. They are an innovative company always looking to new things to grow. He said People in the organization are leaders not followers. All their operation systems need to keep growing and he loves the data they receive to show them what works. One of the great things about KOA is that he gets to sit down and chat with other industry members and discuss the technologies, amenities, and ideas that could help them grow. They share information to help them thrive.
MC Fireside Chats: This week, we were joined by Daniel at MC Fireside Chats.
October 19, 2022

MC Fireside Chats – October 19th, 2022

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by Firefly Reservations, we discussed what was on the minds of campground owners with our recurring guests, who appear once a month with us to cover various topics: Mike Harrison, from CRR Lifestyle Duncan Winship, from Papoose Pond Joe Duemig, from App My Community Amir Harpaz of Torrey Trails RV & Golf Resort also joined us to share how the park was preparing for the EV revolution. Four Points RV Resorts CEO Sean Vidrine was another special guest for that episode. He discussed the new upgrades at Paradise Ranch RV Resort and also the park’s preparations for the upcoming holiday season. MC Fireside Chats is a weekly show focused on the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry with hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia.

Recurring Guests

Jeff Hoffman, Camp Strategy

Jeff Hoffman

Camp Strategy
Sandy Ellingson, RV Industry Advisor

Sandy Ellingson

RV Industry Advisor
Mike Harrison, CRR Hospitality

Mike Harrison

CRR Hospitality
Angele Miller, Creekside RnR Glamping

Angele Miller

Creekside RnR Glamping
Robert Preston, Unhitched Management

Robert Preston

Unhitched Management
Casey Cochran, Campspot

Casey Cochran

Campspot
John McMahon, Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

John McMahon

Camp Door County RV Resort & Campground

Week 4 - Marketing, AI, and Technology

The fourth Wednesday of the month covers the latest tools and marketing strategies driving innovation in outdoor hospitality. Guests include marketing pros, AI experts, and tech providers exploring personalized marketing, smart technologies, digital engagement, and data-driven operations.

This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
February 28, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – February 28th, 2024

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, a dynamic and insightful discussion unfolded, featuring a panel of distinguished guests from the RV industry. The episode brought together Susan Carpenter, Erin Ruane, Cathy Chamberlain, and Chris Shashaty, each offering unique perspectives on the current state and future directions of the RV and outdoor hospitality sectors. Brian Searl, the host, set the stage for a conversation that promised to delve into the intricacies of the RV market, touching on trends, challenges, and innovations. His introduction highlighted the diverse expertise of the panelists, setting the tone for a comprehensive exploration of the industry. Erin Ruane, representing RV Trader, shared her insights into the platform’s evolution from print to digital, emphasizing its role in connecting buyers and sellers in the RV market. She detailed the site’s features, including its vast inventory of over 200,000 units, and the tools available to consumers and dealers alike, such as insurance quotes and financing options. Erin’s discussion underscored the digital transformation’s impact on the RV trading landscape. Susan Carpenter brought a unique perspective to the table, discussing the RV Women’s Alliance’s role and initiatives aimed at supporting women in the industry. Her contributions highlighted the importance of inclusivity and community within the RV sector, reflecting on the alliance’s efforts to celebrate and empower women across the industry. Cathy Chamberlain shared the story behind Barefoot Caravans, a UK-based company known for its distinctive, high-quality caravans. Cathy’s journey from a wet weekend camping to designing and manufacturing stylish, compact caravans illustrated the innovation and creativity driving the industry forward. She also touched on the challenges and opportunities of expanding into the U.S. market, emphasizing the importance of adaptability and customer focus. Chris Shashaty, the founder of Sequoia + Salt Campervans discussed the rise of custom van conversions and the growing demand for personalized, versatile RV solutions. His insights into the challenges of scaling a small business in a competitive market underscored the entrepreneurial spirit that fuels much of the industry’s innovation. The conversation then shifted to the impact of RV rental companies on the market, with Erin Ruane addressing the complementary relationship between rentals and sales. She suggested that the presence of rental companies broadens the market, offering consumers various ways to engage with the RV lifestyle. Economic uncertainty and its potential effects on consumer behavior were also discussed, with panelists speculating on how shifts in the economy might influence buying patterns. Erin shared optimistic views based on search trends and consumer surveys, suggesting sustained interest in RVing despite financial headwinds. The role of AI and search technologies in shaping consumer behavior and industry practices was a focal point of discussion. Erin highlighted RV Trader’s efforts to leverage AI for better search outcomes and personalized experiences, pointing to the future of digital engagement in the RV market. Market trends, particularly the shift towards smaller, more manageable RVs, were explored, with Cathy Chamberlain and Chris Shashaty noting the influence of consumer preferences and the advent of electric vehicles on product design and demand. Challenges faced by small businesses in gaining visibility on platforms like RV Trader were candidly addressed by Chris Shashaty. Erin Ruane expressed a commitment to understanding and addressing these concerns, emphasizing the importance of supporting businesses of all sizes. The panelists also touched on the broader implications of market trends for manufacturers and dealers, discussing how insights from platforms like RV Trader can inform business strategies and product development. The episode concluded with reflections on the importance of staying informed, adaptable, and collaborative in navigating the evolving RV and outdoor hospitality landscape. Brian Searl and his guests underscored the dynamic nature of the industry and the collective effort required to meet the changing needs and expectations of consumers.
This week we were joined by MC Fireside Chats.
January 24, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – January 24th, 2024

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, founder and CEO of Insider Perks, the focus was on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. The episode featured a panel of industry experts: Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, Phil Ingrassia from the RV Dealers Association (RVDA) of the U.S., and Luke Chippindale, who joined from Australia. Brian set the stage for a discussion about the year ahead in the RV industry, noting the significance of this being the first episode of the year. Brian Searl opened the episode with enthusiasm, highlighting the show’s focus on the RV industry and outdoor recreation. He expressed excitement about the episode being the first of the year, setting expectations for a conversation about the industry’s outlook. The guests for the episode included Susan Carpenter, Phil Ingrassia, and Luke Chippindale, with Brian noting the absence of regular participants Eleanor and Shane. Luke Chippindale, participating from Australia, discussed his role in government relations for the caravan industry. He focused on working with federal politicians in Canberra to elevate the industry’s voice. Luke talked about the successes in advocating for industry standards and safety, as well as the challenges posed by the shift towards electric vehicles and low-emission policies. Phil Ingrassia provided an overview of the current RV market in the U.S., discussing trends in wholesale shipments and retail forecasts for 2024. He touched on the impact of interest rates on discretionary purchases and the efforts of manufacturers to moderate price increases. Phil’s insights offered a comprehensive look at the market dynamics in the U.S. RV industry. Susan Carpenter shared her experience with the RV Women’s Alliance, highlighting its global reach and impact. She discussed the organization’s growth and its role in fostering international collaboration within the RV industry. Susan’s perspective added a global dimension to the conversation, emphasizing the worldwide nature of the RV community. The conversation then shifted to the impact of COVID-19 on domestic travel. Susan Carpenter brought up how the pandemic had changed travel preferences, with more people exploring their own countries. Luke Chippindale agreed, mentioning research on the wellbeing benefits of caravanning and camping, and the unique connectedness it brings compared to international travel. Susan recounted her experience at the Florida RV show, noting the trend of consumers trading in older models and the popularity of lower-priced RVs. Phil added that RV shows remain crucial for consumers to physically experience different RV models and layouts, despite the rise of online shopping. The business aspects of RV sales were also discussed. Phil explained the varying profit margins on different sizes of RVs, and Luke provided insights into the Australian market’s preference for larger towable RVs. This part of the conversation highlighted the differences and similarities in RV markets across different regions. Brian raised questions about the evolving role of RV shows in the age of internet research. Susan and Phil agreed that while online research is helpful, RV shows offer a unique opportunity for consumers to explore a wide range of options in one place. They emphasized the continued importance of these shows in the RV buying process. The discussion pivoted back to government relations, with Luke discussing the challenges of prioritizing various industry needs and the future of electric vehicles (EVs) in the caravan industry. Phil shared similar concerns for the U.S. market, emphasizing the need for infrastructure to support EVs and the debate over government involvement in this transition. The episode concluded with final thoughts from the guests. Luke invited people to experience the Australian caravan industry, emphasizing its maturity, value, and customer experience. Phil and Susan shared their perspectives, and Brian wrapped up the show, highlighting the importance of global insights in the RV and caravan industry. The episode provided a comprehensive look at the RV and caravan industry from different global perspectives, discussing consumer trends, the impact of technology, and the role of government and associations in shaping the industry’s future.
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November 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – November 22nd, 2023

In the recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl of Insider Perks, a discussion unfolds about the RV industry with notable guests including Phil Ingrassia (President of RVDA), Eleanore Hamm (President of RVDA of Canada), Shane Devenish (Executive Director at CRVA), and special guest Mike Wendland from RV Lifestyle. Mike Wendland, with his extensive experience in the RV lifestyle, shares his journey from starting a blog to expanding into a comprehensive multi-platform presence. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to changes in audience behavior and platform algorithms, highlighting the need for content diversification. Wendland’s perspective is particularly valuable, given his direct engagement with a broad RV audience through various digital channels. The conversation then shifts to the broader challenges facing the RV industry. One significant issue discussed is the quality of RVs, particularly those manufactured during the COVID-19 pandemic years (2020 and 2021). Wendland notes an improvement in quality post-2021 but maintains that quality remains a concern. This point underscores the industry’s need to maintain high standards to ensure consumer satisfaction and industry growth. Another critical topic is the state of campgrounds, both private and public. The panel agrees that the quality of campgrounds plays a crucial role in the overall RV experience. Brian Searl acknowledges the existence of both good and bad campgrounds, indicating that the impression they leave on RVers can significantly impact the industry’s perception. The discussion also delves into the challenges of RV servicing and the supply of parts. Eleanore Hamm from RVDA of Canada addresses the difficulty dealers face in finding enough qualified technicians. This shortage, coupled with supply chain issues, has led to extended repair times, affecting the overall RV experience. Phil Ingrassia adds that the industry is focusing on reducing repair event cycle times, a critical factor for customer satisfaction. Mike Wendland brings up the seasonal nature of the RV business, particularly in regions north of the Mason-Dixon line. He notes the challenges dealers face in maintaining staff for peak seasons and suggests that more publicity about employment opportunities as RV technicians could help alleviate some of these issues. He also mentions innovative training programs, including those reaching out to prisons, as a way to address the technician shortage. A significant part of the discussion revolves around attracting new demographics to the RV lifestyle. The panel recognizes the importance of engaging younger generations and urban dwellers, who might not traditionally consider RV activities. Wendland and others emphasize the need for early exposure to outdoor activities and the industry’s efforts to make RVing more accessible and appealing. Shane Devenish highlights the importance of addressing current problems while also creating a pipeline for future RV buyers. This dual focus is essential for the long-term success of the industry, balancing immediate needs with strategic future planning. Mike Wendland also touches on the impact of remote work on the RV industry. He notes the improvement in campground internet access, which has facilitated remote work from RVs. Wendland suggests that advocating for remote work can help sustain and grow the RV industry, as it allows more people to integrate RVing into their lifestyles. In his closing remarks, Brian Searl reiterates the value of diverse perspectives in understanding and addressing the challenges facing the RV industry. He acknowledges his own strong opinions but emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and considering different viewpoints. The conversation concludes with acknowledgments of the insights shared and the importance of these discussions for the future of the RV industry. The participants express gratitude for the perspectives offered, highlighting the collaborative nature of addressing the industry’s challenges and opportunities. Overall, the MC Fireside Chat provides a comprehensive overview of the current state of the RV industry, covering a range of topics from quality control and service challenges to demographic engagement and the impact of remote work. The insights from industry leaders and experts like Mike Wendland offer valuable perspectives on both the challenges and opportunities facing the RV world today.
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October 25, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – October 25th, 2023

In the latest installment of MC Fireside Chats, the spotlight was on the dynamic RV industry, with a distinguished panel of experts delving into their wealth of knowledge and experiences. The session was expertly steered by host Brian Searl, who facilitated engaging conversations with the esteemed guests. Regular contributors Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance graced the episode with their presence and invaluable insights. Adding to the richness of the discussion were special guests Craig and Victoria Shelton, the adventurous spirits behind Wild RV Life, who brought a unique perspective to the table. Rounding out the panel were Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV, who shared their expertise and innovative approaches in the RV realm. Together, this ensemble of industry leaders and enthusiasts created a vibrant and informative dialogue, shedding light on various facets of the RV world and providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape and future possibilities in the RV industry. Coley Brady and Joe Mehl from Alliance RV discussed their company’s approach to social media and influencer marketing, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and organic growth. They highlighted how they leverage real customer experiences through their Facebook group and other platforms, creating a strong community around their brand. Their strategy involves a careful evaluation of potential influencers and brand ambassadors, ensuring alignment with their brand values. Alliance RV also emphasized the significance of customer feedback in their product development process. They strive to create products that truly meet the needs of their customers, incorporating their input and suggestions into their designs. This customer-centric approach has been a key factor in their success and has helped them build a loyal customer base. Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance shed light on the organization’s efforts to support and elevate women within the RV industry. She discussed their recent Symposium, which focused on personal and professional development for women, and highlighted the importance of creating a supportive community for women in the industry. Craig and Victoria from Wild RV Life shared insights on how demographics influence their content strategy across different social media platforms. They noted variations in audience engagement between YouTube and Instagram, tailoring their content to suit the preferences of their audience on each platform. Their approach underscores the importance of understanding your audience and adapting your content to meet their needs. Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA discussed the challenges facing the RV industry, particularly in terms of customer service and repair times. They emphasized the need for improved communication and efficiency across the industry, highlighting ongoing efforts to address these issues. The panel also touched on the importance of community and networking within the RV industry. They shared examples of events and associations that foster connections and support, underscoring the value of building a strong network in the industry. Looking ahead, the guests shared their thoughts on the future of the RV industry. They expressed optimism about the industry’s potential for growth and improvement, highlighting areas such as customer service, product development, and community building as key focus areas. Throughout the episode, the panelists shared valuable insights and experiences, providing a comprehensive look at various aspects of the RV industry. From manufacturing and product development to social media marketing, community building, and supporting women in the industry, the discussion covered a wide range of topics, offering a rich and nuanced perspective on the industry. The episode underscored the importance of authenticity, customer feedback, and community in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted how these elements contribute to building strong brands, creating loyal customer bases, and fostering a supportive industry ecosystem. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided a deep dive into the RV industry, offering valuable insights and practical advice for industry professionals and enthusiasts alike. The discussion highlighted the importance of authenticity, customer-centricity, and community in driving success and fostering growth in the RV industry.
September 27, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – September 27th, 2023

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats, Brian Searl delves into the intricacies of the RV industry and outdoor recreation. As some regular guests attend an event in Elkhart, Indiana, Brian is accompanied by Eleonore Hamm, a recurring guest, and special attendees Patrick Botticelli and Mark Harling. Eleonore underscores the significance of the Elkhart event, where manufacturers present their 2024 models. She anticipates the introduction of innovative products from emerging manufacturers and also brings attention to an upcoming convention in Vegas. Patrick introduces his YouTube channel, “New Jersey Outdoor Adventure.” Initially focusing on mountain biking and New Jersey’s history, the channel shifted to RV tours, especially personal RV setups. Now, it primarily highlights van builds and local builders. Mark discusses the inception of Bean Trailer in 2017, identifying a market gap for off-road teardrop trailers. Their popular model, the Black Bean, is designed for off-roading, emphasizing features like air suspension and custom trailing arms. Mark stresses the importance of ergonomics in trailer design, aiming for durability and comfort. The Hershey show in Pennsylvania becomes a focal point, where manufacturers unveil new floor plans and decors. Patrick notes the show’s success, with a slight dip in attendance initially but a quick recovery. He emphasizes the launch of several new models and the immediate availability of RVs for customers due to full dealer inventory. Eleonore Hamm, representing the dealer’s viewpoint, suggests that dealers can use various tools and reports to analyze market trends and adjust their inventory accordingly. She also mentions the increasing focus on sustainability and electrification in the RV industry due to consumer demand and government regulations. Mark touches upon the future direction of Bean Trailer. He observes that their most luxurious trailers are selling best and plans to expand in that direction. He challenges the perception that luxury can’t be compact, seeing potential in both high-end and value-oriented trailers. Patrick emphasizes the need for a range of products to cater to diverse customer needs. He underscores the importance of brand loyalty and the necessity for manufacturers to have a unique selling proposition in a saturated market. The panelists discuss the shift towards luxury camping experiences and off-grid adventures. They observe a squeeze in the middle market, emphasizing the need for manufacturers to adapt to changing consumer preferences. Mark highlights the challenges faced by custom off-road trailer manufacturers compared to standard RVs. He believes in the advantages of being factory direct, a sentiment Patrick echoes, citing successful examples from the industry. The episode delves deep into the RV industry’s standards. Mark expresses reservations about the RVIA standard, viewing it as a minimal benchmark. However, Patrick and Eleonore defend the standard, emphasizing its role in ensuring consumer safety and peace of mind. The episode wraps up with a nod to the future, mentioning the next episode to be broadcasted live from the glamping show in Denver, Colorado. The panelists agree on the evolving nature of the RV and camping industry, emphasizing the need for businesses to innovate and adapt.
This week's episode of MC Fireside Chats.
August 23, 2023

MC Fireside Chats- August 23rd, 2023

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brought together a panel of experts from the RV industry to discuss various trends and insights. The panel included recurring guests Shane Devenish from CRVA and Phil Ingrassia from RVDA Special guests Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator, and Jeremy Greene from RVIA also joined the episode. Shane Devenish from CRVA highlighted the importance of understanding the consumer’s perspective. He emphasized that while the industry has its terminologies, it’s crucial to align with the language consumers use, especially when they’re searching online. Phil Ingrassia from RVDA touched upon the changing dynamics of the RV market. He discussed how the industry’s terminology might not always resonate with the consumers, especially those new to RVing. The key is to bridge the gap between industry jargon and consumer language. Deryle Jensen from RV Wheelator brought a unique perspective to the table. He discussed his business model, which offers a different niche in the RV market. Deryle emphasized the importance of understanding customer needs and adapting accordingly. Jeremy Greene from RVIA emphasized the importance of understanding and adapting to the terminology that consumers use when searching for RVs online. He pointed out that while the industry has specific terms, consumers might use different or colloquial terms. Jeremy highlighted a specific example: while the industry might refer to certain vehicles as “type B motorhomes,” consumers might search for “van campers.” This trend underscores the importance of aligning industry language with consumer search habits. Another significant trend Jeremy touched upon is the increasing number of people looking to work from the road. This shift in work culture has implications for the RV industry, especially in terms of the amenities and facilities they offer. Delving deeper into this trend, Jeremy shared that a recent survey showed that 19% of respondents have worked from an RV in the last 24 months. Furthermore, almost 30% are considering doing it in the next year. This trend towards remote work from RVs indicates a need for these vehicles to be better equipped for work. This includes having dedicated office spaces and the necessary amenities to facilitate remote work, ensuring a seamless work experience for users. Throughout the discussion, the importance of data in understanding consumer behavior and trends was evident. Jeremy’s insights, backed by surveys and research, provided a clearer picture of where the industry is headed. The panel discussion underscored the need for the RV industry to be agile and responsive to changing consumer behaviors. Whether it’s adapting to new terminologies or equipping RVs for remote work, staying ahead of trends is crucial. The MC Fireside Chats episode provided valuable insights into the RV industry’s future, with each speaker bringing their unique perspective. As the industry continues to evolve, such discussions become essential in navigating the road ahead.
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July 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – July 26th, 2023

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by AccessParks, host Brian Searle was joined by recurring guests Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Devenish from CRVA, and Eleanore Hamm from RVIA. Adding a unique perspective to the conversation were special guests Dr. Steve and Alec Rappleyea from Drive Home RV. Alec, shared insights about the challenges they face while scaling their RV rental business. He emphasized the importance of effectively managing cash flow and working capital, which are critical aspects of any growing business. Alec also highlighted the necessity of creating robust systems that not only streamline operations but also embody their business values. He stressed the importance of having the right people in place to ensure the smooth running of their operations. Steve, another guest on the show, discussed the unique dynamics of running a family business. He highlighted the importance of navigating business decisions within pre-existing relationships. Steve described their RV rental company, Drive Home RV, as an “RV Adventure Outfitter”. They provide people with their first access to RV camping, occupying a special place in the ecosystem. Steve emphasized their commitment to ensuring that customers have positive experiences when they rent an RV from them for the first time. He also mentioned how they help customers navigate the transition from tent camping to RV camping, and how they provide additional equipment like electric bikes, stand-up paddle boards, and pavilion tents to enhance the camping experience. Steve also shared their plans for expansion, aiming to double or triple their fleet in the coming years. Phil, proposed an interesting marketing strategy. He suggested that rental companies could offer discounts to renters who act as influencers, documenting and sharing their experiences on social media. This strategy, he believes, could significantly boost the visibility and appeal of RV rentals. Phil also touched upon the international focus of some rental companies, suggesting that there’s potential for more influencer marketing in the domestic market. Shane brought up the potential for RV rentals to bridge the gap during economic downturns. He proposed that RV rentals could provide a more affordable option for people to enjoy the RV lifestyle until they’re financially ready to purchase their own RV. Shane also mentioned the increased availability of rental units in recent years and speculated on the potential impact this could have on the market. Eleanor discussed the shift in the types of units being stocked for rental. She noted a move away from Class C units towards a wider variety of units, particularly those suitable for family use. This shift, she believes, could cater to a broader range of customer needs and preferences. Towards the end of the discussion, Alec considered the advice from industry professionals and discussed the shift in design and materials in the RV industry, moving towards more European sensibilities. This shift, he believes, could refresh the industry and appeal to a wider audience. Phil also discussed the potential for learning from the European RV market, particularly in terms of design and size of units. He mentioned the upcoming Dusseldorf show, a large European RV show that attracts a global audience, as a valuable opportunity for gaining insights into the European market. Shane discussed the potential for international collaboration and learning between RV associations and businesses. He believes that such collaborations could lead to innovative practices and strategies that benefit the industry as a whole. The episode concluded with Brian expressing his gratitude to the guests for their valuable insights. He wished them luck with their future endeavors, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in the ever-evolving RV rental industry. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the RV rental industry and the exciting possibilities that lie ahead.
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April 26, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – April 26, 2023

April 26 Episode Recap In the April 26 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl and recurring guest guest Susan Carpenter from RV Women’s Alliance discussed the capabilities and potential of ChatGPT, an AI language model trained by OpenAI. Brian introduced the concept of ChatGPT and how it works through a prompt, demonstrating how it can quickly generate articles on a wide range of topics. Susan picked camping as a prompt, and the results were impressive given the short input. Brian and Susan went on to discuss the various applications of ChatGPT, emphasizing that it can be used for a wide range of things such as outdoor hospitality and recreation business strategies, as well as in law firms. They highlighted how ChatGPT can help users save time and streamline their processes Susan described ChatGPT as a revolutionary tool, but one that still needs fact-checking. Brian agreed, reminding users to be responsible and fact-check the information provided. They also discussed how people who use ChatGPT can move faster than anyone else and how it could potentially help lessen the need for mobile applications, such as apps for online shopping and booking, by directly sending personalized requests. Moreover, Susan reflected on how far humans have come, with kids nowadays having constant companions to help them with everyday living and to be more critical by focusing on effectively implementing ideas. They discussed the potential for ChatGPT to make institutions such as hospitals and government agencies more efficient in their processes. Brian and Susan also touched on the topic of AI-powered search engines, particularly the new Bing search engine. They discussed the benefits of AI-powered tools such as ChatGPT and how they can help users in various industries. They reflected on the potential for AI-powered search engines to improve efficiency in research and information gathering. The conversation also touched on the limitations of ChatGPT and other AI language models, particularly in the area of fact-checking. While ChatGPT can generate a large amount of content quickly, users must still fact-check the information provided. Susan reminded listeners that the responsibility of fact-checking ultimately falls on the user, even when using advanced AI tools. Brian and Susan wrapped up the conversation by agreeing that it is crucial for people to acknowledge that AI is here and that we must learn how to properly utilize it.
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March 22, 2023

MC Fireside Chats – March 22nd, 2023

In this week’s episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosts Brian Searl and Cara Csizmadia are joined by industry experts Eleanore Hamm, President at RVDA of Canada, Susan Carpenter from the RV Women’s Alliance, and special guests Bob Zagami and John DiPietro from NERVDA to discuss the latest news, trends, and commentary from the Outdoor Hospitality Industry, with a focus on the RV industry. The conversation began with Zagami and DiPietro sharing their experiences in RVing in New England and discussing their Camper Report Show, an industry resource that covers news from the corporate side to campers. DiPietro mentioned that enthusiasm at RV shows is high, and there is a noticeable diversity in demographics among attendees. Zagami shared that dealers are reporting strong sales despite fewer people attending the shows, indicating that those who do come are making purchases. Susan Carpenter echoed the sentiment, pointing out the increasing diversity among people from different walks of life and backgrounds at the shows and campgrounds. The experts also discussed the importance of inclusivity in the industry. The panelists emphasized the unique and magical quality of the camping community, highlighting that there are no barriers in a campground, and everyone is equal in the great outdoors. The social aspect of camping and the sense of community that it fosters are also key elements in its appeal. In terms of innovation, the discussion turned to why campgrounds aren’t starting RV service centers and the relationship between dealers and campground owners. As the market evolves and demographics change, the experts consider the question of how campground owners can differentiate themselves to stay competitive. The discussion provided valuable insights into the current state and future trends of the RV industry and the Outdoor Hospitality Industry. The focus on diversity, inclusivity, and community, along with the need for innovation and differentiation, will likely shape the industry’s direction in the years to come.

Recurring Guests

Mychele Bisson, Bison Peak Ventures

Mychele Bisson

Bison Peak Ventures
Cara Csizmadia, Canadian Camping & RV Association

Cara Csizmadia

Canadian Camping & RV Association
Matt Whittemore, Climb Capital

Matt Whittemore

Climb Capital
Ravi Parikh, RoverPass

Ravi Parikh

RoverPass
Sarah Stahl, Market Movers

Sarah Stahl

Market Movers

Week 5 - Multi-Sector Show

On the rare occasions when a month has a fifth Wednesday, we present a special multi-sector episode. This collaborative platform brings together a diverse panel of guests from the glamping, campground, RV, outdoor recreation, and activities industries. The rich discussion fosters a multifaceted understanding, offering varied perspectives and insights from across these sectors.

September 30, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – September 30th, 2026

During the September 30, 2026, episode of MC Fireside Chats, property operators Stephanie Bias and Munro Murdock emphasized that the future of outdoor hospitality relies on blending invisible backend technology with highly curated, generation-specific guest experiences—ranging from luxury all-inclusive glamping to diverse, nature-focused hybrid parks.
July 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – July 29th, 2026

Industry experts on the July 29th MC Fireside Chats emphasized that hospitality operators must first document their internal workflows to successfully adopt AI and digital tools, enabling them to streamline operations, personalize guest experiences, and increase profitability without losing the essential human touch.
April 29, 2026

MC Fireside Chats – April 29th, 2026

Host Brian Searl and a panel of outdoor hospitality experts—including Marie Nichols, Duncan Winship, and Ashley Cary—discussed how international travel apps, changing generational preferences, and data-driven marketing are transforming the modern camping industry.
October 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – October 29th, 2025

The latest MC Fireside Chats episode focused on how glamping operators are revolutionizing outdoor hospitality by prioritizing unique, high-touch guest experiences and personal connection, demonstrating that success in the industry, regardless of scale or location, relies on moving beyond simple accommodation.
July 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – July 30th, 2025

In this special fifth week episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomes three glamping pioneers—from the UK to Costa Rica—for a global look at the evolving outdoor hospitality landscape. The guests dive into everything from guest engagement and winter operations to marketing challenges, AI, and the future of glamping.
April 30, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – April 30th, 2025

The MC Fireside Chats episode on April 30th, 2025, began with host Brian Searl acknowledging technical difficulties at the start of the show. Brian then introduced the guests: Mychele Bisson, Mary Sparrow, and Heidi Royle, each bringing a unique perspective on the outdoor hospitality industry. Mychele Bisson shared her work with Bison Peak Ventures, acquiring campgrounds across the country, revitalizing them, and aiming to preserve the original family’s legacy. She emphasized the importance of maintaining the essence of these establishments while introducing modern improvements. Mary Sparrow discussed her ownership of a boatyard in the east of England and her innovative approach to hospitality with floating glamping pods. Her business evolved from traditional houseboats to unique, luxury floating accommodations, offering guests a distinctive experience on the water. Heidi Royle detailed her journey of establishing the Groove Glamping, a glamping site in Minnesota, located near a state park. She highlighted the natural attractions of the area, such as the clear water creeks and the state park, which enhance the appeal of her glamping site. The discussion then shifted to the concept of “glamping,” with various perspectives on its definition and evolution. The guests explored how glamping has changed over time, influenced by social media and the increasing demand for unique outdoor experiences. The challenges and strategies of promoting and operating glamping sites were also discussed. Heidi Royle shared her experience with influencer collaborations to increase awareness of the Grove Glamping. Mary Sparrow provided insights into the complexities of running a business that combines traditional boating with modern glamping. This included the unique considerations for floating accommodations and the importance of preserving the natural environment. Mychele Bisson spoke about Bison Peak Ventures’ business model of acquiring and upgrading campgrounds, emphasizing the rewarding aspect of providing families with opportunities to connect and create memories in nature. A significant part of the conversation focused on the personal fulfillment derived from operating these businesses. The guests shared stories of the joy and satisfaction that comes from seeing families and children enjoy the outdoors, away from the distractions of modern technology. The episode concluded with the guests sharing their final thoughts and where to find more information about their businesses. The overarching theme was the value of creating unique outdoor experiences and the positive impact these experiences have on individuals and families.
January 29, 2025

MC Fireside Chats – January 29th, 2025

In this episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed Josef Hjelmaker, CEO of Electric Outdoors, Robert Preston, CEO and Founder of Unhitched Management, and Matt and Karina Torres, owners of Bayshore RV Park, to discuss their experiences and insights into the outdoor hospitality and RV park industries. The conversation covered everything from business growth and sustainability to unique guest experiences and the future of the industry. Robert Preston shared his journey from a military pilot to a real estate investor, now owning 14 RV parks through Climb Capital and Unhitched Management. His focus is on fostering a sense of community within his parks, providing spaces where guests can disconnect from daily life and reconnect with nature and each other. He emphasized the importance of safe, clean, and welcoming environments in creating a successful RV park experience. His management philosophy revolves around treating employees well so they, in turn, provide exceptional hospitality to guests. He also spoke about his approach to acquiring and scaling parks, explaining that his growth is based on finding good deals while ensuring that each new acquisition enhances the efficiency and effectiveness of his existing properties. Josef Hjelmaker introduced Electric Outdoors, a company focused on sustainability and innovation in outdoor hospitality. His company develops portable, self-sustaining destination platforms that generate their own energy, manage water, and handle waste independently. The units, designed to be placed in remote or off-grid locations, offer a new way to camp without requiring traditional infrastructure or permits. He explained how these platforms provide flexibility for landowners and park operators, allowing them to create new camping experiences in places previously inaccessible to RVs and traditional campers. The conversation also touched on the growing role of electric vehicles in outdoor recreation, with Josef discussing how his technology supports off-grid stays while accommodating the needs of EV travelers. He highlighted the importance of digital integration, explaining how his platforms use connectivity to enhance user experience through booking, energy management, and local activity recommendations. Matt and Karina Torres shared their experience of acquiring and revitalizing Bayshore RV Park on the Washington coast. Their journey began when Matt, a former framer and general contractor, and Karina, with a background in property management, combined their skills to turn their park into a thriving business. They emphasized the importance of hands-on management, directly engaging with guests to provide personalized service and a welcoming atmosphere. They spoke about their approach to balancing long-term and transient guests, their focus on creating unique experiences such as easy access to crabbing in Willapa Bay, and their strategy for reinvesting profits back into the park. They also discussed their long-term goal of eventually hiring a dedicated manager so they can expand to additional properties while ensuring their guests continue to receive the same level of care and hospitality. The discussion highlighted the changing landscape of the outdoor hospitality industry and the increasing importance of offering more than just a place to stay. The guests agreed that creating meaningful experiences for visitors, whether through high-touch customer service, sustainable accommodations, or fostering a sense of community, is key to long-term success. Brian Searl noted that the industry has thrived for years with minimal effort due to economic conditions, but moving forward, park owners will need to be more intentional about guest experiences to maintain and grow their businesses. He pointed out that travelers are looking for something unique, and parks that can deliver on that will be the ones that stand out in an increasingly competitive market. The conversation also touched on the challenges and rewards of park ownership. Robert spoke about the balance between growth and operational efficiency, explaining that his goal is not just to acquire more properties but to ensure each park is well-run and financially sustainable. He emphasized the importance of hiring entrepreneurial-minded managers who treat the business as their own and make decisions that benefit both guests and ownership. Matt and Karina reflected on their initial struggles and learning experiences, including the realization that hiring the wrong staff can impact guest satisfaction. They shared how they adjusted their management approach to be more involved, ensuring that guests feel valued from the moment they arrive. As the discussion wrapped up, Brian announced the launch of a new podcast called Outwired, which will focus on data, AI, and technology in outdoor hospitality. The show will feature unfiltered discussions on industry trends, innovations, and challenges, with co-hosts Greg Emmert from Camp Strategy and Scott Bahr from Cairn Consulting Group. The episode ended with a shared enthusiasm for the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, with all guests expressing optimism about the opportunities ahead for park owners who are willing to innovate and prioritize guest experiences. The insights from this episode underscored the industry’s evolution, with sustainability, community-building, and technology playing a growing role in shaping the next generation of outdoor accommodations.
October 30, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – October 30th, 2024

In the October 30, 2024 episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl brings together several guests to explore various perspectives in outdoor hospitality and the RV industry. The episode features Ken Barber from Wild Haven Glamping, Leslie Taylor-Rharbi from Signature RV Resorts by Zeman, and Paul Craven and Anthony Wollschlager from Airxcel. Brian starts by introducing the guests, encouraging them to share insights about their companies and experiences. Leslie kicks things off by describing her role in managing Zeman’s luxury RV resorts, specifically the “Signature” line, known for providing high-end amenities and tailored experiences. She emphasizes that while they’ve moved away from labeling the resorts as “luxury,” Zeman’s properties continue to offer lush landscapes and a range of amenities like pickleball courts, large clubhouses, and lounges to enhance guest experiences. Ken shares the story of Wild Haven Glamping, discussing how his company provides a mid-tier glamping experience that strikes a balance between comfort and the rustic nature of camping. His properties feature canvas tents and small cabins in scenic locations like Sonoma County and Yosemite, emphasizing a natural and immersive experience over excessive luxury. Ken underscores the challenges they’ve faced, particularly in terms of permits, zoning, and construction, especially with their recent Yosemite property. Despite these hurdles, he and his team focus on delivering unique experiences that attract tourists from across the world. Leslie and Ken agree that evolving guest expectations shape their operations. Leslie notes that Zeman’s properties attract a retiree demographic who expect comfort and quality; however, the increasing demand for “luxury” resorts has redefined the standards of guest experiences, with visitors now expecting amenities akin to high-end hotels. Ken adds that Wild Haven’s guests are typically more open to a stripped-down luxury, opting for a unique natural experience over a traditionally luxurious one. They also touch on the importance of managing expectations through strategic language and marketing, emphasizing terms like “signature” instead of “luxury,” which sets an authentic tone that aligns with their guests’ values. The conversation then shifts to Airxcel, where Anthony and Paul discuss their roles in supplying RV components, such as air conditioners, water heaters, and ventilation systems, that enhance comfort for RV travelers. They explain that Airxcel has a long-standing history in Elkhart, Indiana, the “RV capital” of the U.S., providing essential products to RV manufacturers. Their focus on innovation helps the company anticipate trends, such as the rising demand for sustainable products and off-grid experiences. Paul emphasizes that Airxcel keeps a close watch on industry trends and consumer demands, aiming to deliver products that meet the evolving needs of RV enthusiasts, from full-time RVers to occasional campers. Anthony elaborates on the shift in RV ownership demographics since COVID-19, explaining how younger families and first-time RVers are increasingly investing in the lifestyle. With Airxcel’s established brands, such as Coleman air conditioners and Suburban water heaters, the company leverages its expertise to stay competitive and support new trends in the industry. Paul and Anthony both stress that consumer expectations are driving changes within the RV and camping sectors, where personalization, data-driven guest insights, and seamless technology integration are becoming essential for a superior experience. Brian also dives into potential future trends, sparking an engaging discussion on the influence of AI, automation, and personalization. The guests contemplate how new technology could transform both the outdoor hospitality and RV industries, with Brian suggesting that technology should serve to elevate the guest experience, not detract from it. Ken and Leslie agree, envisioning AI tools that could enable them to provide small, personalized touches, like welcome gifts and birthday recognition, that enhance customer satisfaction without feeling intrusive. Paul underscores the importance of AI in developing more sustainable RV solutions, citing the growing interest in systems that reduce energy use by automatically adjusting to guests’ schedules. Throughout the discussion, the guests emphasize the importance of clear expectations and strong branding. Ken and Leslie both prioritize aligning their offerings with guest expectations, ensuring that their brands promise experiences they can consistently deliver. By avoiding terms like “luxury” and “pampering” in their marketing, both Ken and Leslie are careful to set the right tone for their properties, allowing guests to feel comfortable and engaged in the outdoor experience. The episode concludes with the guests sharing where listeners can find more information about their companies and locations. Ken invites listeners to Wild Haven Glamping in Sonoma County or Yosemite to experience the beauty of Northern California. Leslie and the Airxcel team encourage interested listeners to explore Signature RV Resorts by Zeman and Airxcel’s various product offerings, respectively. The conversation wraps up on a note of optimism, with each guest expressing enthusiasm for the future of outdoor hospitality, the evolution of guest experiences, and the innovations likely to shape the industry in years to come.
July 31, 2024

MC Fireside Chats – July 31st, 2024 

In the July 31st episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion brought together Pier Tognazzini, founder and COO of MooVert France, and Dustin Sauer, owner of Overland Van Project, to delve into the evolving trends in outdoor hospitality, sustainable tourism, and the growing van life movement. Brian Searl kicked off the episode by acknowledging the uniqueness of the discussion, as it was one of those rare “fifth-week” episodes without the usual lineup of regular guests. Instead, this episode featured a deep dive into niche areas of outdoor hospitality, beginning with Pier Tognazzini. Pier introduced MooVert France, a company dedicated to promoting tourism in France through an eco-friendly and authentic lens. He emphasized MooVert France’s commitment to helping accommodations transition into more sustainable practices by using an algorithm that evaluates properties based on their level of eco-friendliness, sustainability, and authenticity. Pier explained that MooVert is not just about reducing environmental impact but also about offering tourists an experience that goes beyond the typical attractions, allowing them to connect deeply with local culture, heritage, and nature. He provided examples of how MooVert curates these experiences, such as offering stays in tree houses, tiny homes, and even traditional French chateaux. Pier also discussed how MooVert helps property owners make small but impactful changes, such as installing water-saving devices, to enhance sustainability without compromising guest comfort. The conversation also touched on the importance of authenticity, with Pier explaining that MooVert prioritizes experiences that allow travelers to engage with local traditions and communities, such as making cheese in Normandy or harvesting honey in the Alps. Dustin Sauer then introduced Overland Van Project, which specializes in creating high-end, custom expedition vehicles and camper vans designed for those seeking adventure and luxury on the road. Dustin shared the origins of his company, which began as a personal project but quickly grew into a thriving business as demand for custom vans surged during the pandemic. He highlighted how the van life movement, amplified by social media and the hashtag #vanlife, has evolved from a niche lifestyle into a significant trend within the outdoor industry. Dustin discussed the challenges and opportunities within the current market, noting that while there has been a plateau in demand following the pandemic boom, there is still a strong interest in high-quality, custom-built vans. He emphasized the importance of innovation and craftsmanship in differentiating Overland Van Project from other builders, with a focus on integrating advanced features such as hydronic heating systems, high-end electrical setups, and luxury finishes that cater to the specific needs of their clients. Despite the market becoming saturated with both DIY and commercially produced vans, Dustin remains optimistic, citing the enduring appeal of van life and the desire for off-the-grid, self-sufficient travel experiences. The conversation between the three touched on the intersection of sustainability and the outdoor lifestyle. Dustin noted that many of his clients, despite investing in luxury vans, prefer to camp in remote, free locations like BLM lands, rather than traditional RV resorts. This aligns with the growing trend towards authentic, nature-based experiences that Pier’s company, MooVert, also champions. The guests and Brian discussed how this shift reflects broader changes in consumer behavior, where travelers are increasingly seeking out unique and meaningful experiences rather than conventional tourist activities. A significant portion of the discussion was devoted to the challenges of marketing to niche audiences in a competitive landscape dominated by large platforms like Airbnb and Booking.com. Pier and Dustin both emphasized the importance of authenticity in their marketing efforts, whether through social media engagement or creating compelling content that resonates with their target audiences. They acknowledged the difficulties small businesses face in standing out, but also highlighted the potential of social media and viral content to level the playing field. Brian also brought up the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in helping small businesses enhance their marketing strategies and reach. He expressed optimism about how AI could assist companies like MooVert France and Overland Van Project in creating more tailored and effective marketing campaigns, thereby connecting with their niche audiences more efficiently. The episode wrapped up with final thoughts from Pier and Dustin on the future of their respective industries. Pier expressed enthusiasm about the potential expansion of MooVert France into North America, hinting at ongoing discussions with state governments in Nevada and California. Dustin, on the other hand, reiterated his commitment to pushing the boundaries of van design and continuing to provide exceptional, high-quality products for his clients. Overall, this episode of MC Fireside Chats provided a rich exploration of the current trends and future directions in outdoor hospitality, with a strong emphasis on sustainability, authenticity, and the evolving desires of modern travelers. The insights shared by Pier Tognazzini and Dustin Sauer offered valuable perspectives on how businesses can adapt and thrive in this dynamic and competitive industry.